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Maybe you're right. Brooks isn't generating a whole lot of downfield rushing yardage I guess after looking at his stats. He does score a lot of rushing TD's. I'll admit that New Orleans isn't in the top ten when it comes to my direct TV rotation.
I remember thinking that Brooks was going to be so good when he debuted in 2000 - he's been so inconsistent since. They had that little run at the end of last year but you just never know what you're getting with that team and with him.
As for the Fins, none of those guys strike me as locks to make the roster, so I'm leaving those two games open.
By week 17, any number of QBs could be at the helm down there.... -
Aaron Brooks too HD, and the Dolphins QB could be any number of players.
Flutie will sell some jerseys and spark a little interest in exhibition season. I doubt he plays a down once the real games start.
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Again, if Henry is as dimwitted as is generally suggested, isn't he less of a candidate for a preseason trade since the "desperate" team will need to acquire someone that can come in and learn the system very quickly?
Carrying Henry into the preseason when has no future with this team waiting for an injury somewhere else seems risky to me. Aren't the Bills better off cutting him and spending a portion of his money on a Lamont Jordan/Kevin Faulk/Richie Anderson type who can back up McGahee and specialize as a third down back?
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If forced to choose one, I'm bringing Doolittle by the Pixies.
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I don't buy this. If a team has a big injury in the preseason and true weakness at backup, they're going to need a player who can come in and learn the system quickly, no? By most accounts TH is not that guy.
This weekend showed that there really is no market for Henry.
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Not really relevant - TD made his judgment on Henry when he took McGahee and that appears to be a correct one.
I love these comparisons of Donahoe to Kasparov and Cloutier! He's a middle tier GM at best. Look at his results on the field. Four years and no playoff games. One great trade (Price) in that four year span. One winning season. Good job as of late building the lower part of the roster. His "reputation" as you put it surely is undeserved, but I don't think that it is held by too many people frankly.
All the gnashing of teeth on Henry not being dealt is more of a reflection on this board's general overrating of Henry's trade value. He's in the lower 20th percentile for NFL tailbacks in terms of blocking, receiving, fumbling, versatility and coachability. He doesn't play specials and he is injury prone. That's a ton of negatives. There are a lot of red flags when it comes to whether Henry is going to fit in another team's system.
Maybe Travis will get dealt this afternoon for a 4th round pick. I feel very strongly that the Bills are better off without him on the team so they can develop someone to play behind McGahee that is more versatile than Henry and is going to be in Buffalo for the long term, even if that player has less raw talent than Henry. Do what's best for the team.
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While there is nothing wrong with having friendly associates in this league, but would two different teams working in unison for each other's welfare be allowed? I would hope not. This little Belichick entourage has raised my suspicion a little the last couple of years. When they were going to the Super Bowls the last few years and more and more were being made about their coordinators, I sometimes wondered about a little friendly inside trading. Thank goodness Weiss went to the college ranks. I don't think I could handle him floating around somewheres in the league. This Crennel and Saban is enough. The one good thing I will say though, it's probably a good thing that they are all in the AFC. Maybe not at first but within due time Moe, Larry, and Curley should be bumping heads on the way to a common prize.
Well back to the inspiration of this post. Apparently Cleveland's Crennel is interested in obtaining back-up QB Rohan Davey so he can compete with QB Trent Dilfer. This will be based on if New England is targeting a quarterback and that player falls to them in a round that they are comfortable with.
Now, I wonder, does this seem a little too much an open book on a common goal? It seems to be very revealing, especially so early. I also wonder if they can ping pong with players and draft picks so they can aid and abet each other's goals. What I mean is that during the draft one team takes a player at a certain position or slot so that it could possibly alter the sequence of the following players.
It's early but like I said, keep an eye on that Cleveland/New England duo. I just don't trust them.
Easily one of the funniest posts ever!
Oh my goodness - two teams might make a mutually beneficial trade!!! How can the league allow it? 
What's next?
Travis Henry - should they waive the waiting period in Canton? I say yes!
Tom Donahoe just told Len P. that he was able to invent cold fusion!
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To me that was the most outlandish decision on the schedule - Green Bay does not deserve three games on Monday night. Dallas's two was a very close second, but I guess I have faith in Parcells getting them back in the playoffs so it might be a good future call by ABC.
I did notice that it was split down the middle - 17 AFC, 17 NFC teams as far as the matchups. I wonder if that is done every year. If so, it was inevitable that the Jags/Bills/Cincy/Houston middle tier of the AFC (all viable playoff teams in 2004 if they were in the far weaker NFC) was going to get short shrift.
Baltimore players yap a lot, so they're always good for two prime time games. Same goes for Parcells.
I don't why ABC is whining for variable scheduling late in the year when it is patently obvious that they pick games based on potential storylines rather than a true ranking of the teams in terms of strength.
I always thought the Bills attempted to avoid night games due to the long average travel for its season ticket holders. If that's so, the home Saturday night game seems to be a nice consolation prize if you're not going to get a Monday game.
One other weird scheduling quirk I noticed was that Philly only has five 1 PM games scheduled right now.
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Well I didn't mean BEAT him beat him, but I mean on the golf course.
"We have Phil Mickelson and Veejay Singh here on the 18th green tied for the lead. This shot will determine the championship. Oh I understand we are cutting over to Tiger Woods on the 15th green. He's only ten shots behind these two."
I can't stand Tiger.
Your problem is with the number of people who have an interest in watching Tiger play, and not with Tiger himself. The ratings are driven by Tiger, and the TV networks respond accordingly. It's not like he asks Jim Nantz for camera time in a tournament.
For my money, Tiger's the greatest athlete alive today.
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That's not true, BINYC - at least the reluctant part. I read on a Cardinals' message board that Dennis Green goes to bed dreaming of Travis Henry every night, and that his wife gets upset because Green tends to mumble Henry's name in his sleep.
Travis is a future pro-bowler. He's motivated to get back there, as it is the one NFL game all year where a tailback doesn't have to block.
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I disagree with premise two FFS. I don't think this trade is that relevant to Donahoe's performance in general. He in many ways made this decision two years ago when he drafted McGahee - certainly a decision that reflects quite well on Donahoe today.
I think the mandate now to trade Henry is very clear. The Bills are better off with someone else as a backup running back that can be more of a "third down" back - someone that can protect Losman with both his blocking and his "safety valve" routes on passing downs. The offense figures to rely heavily on McGahee next season and they risk wearing him out if they try to play him in too high a percentage of the snaps.
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According to TD, this isn't Green's position, although Leo Roth's sources say otherwise.
Yahoo Updates March 31 and April 4
Bills' general manager Tom Donahoe said Wednesday that he is still talking with Cardinals' officials in hopes of working out a trade that would send running back Travis Henry to Arizona. Although the Cardinals are willing to part with offensive tackle L.J. Shelton, the Bills have asked to swap spots in the second round of next month's draft. "They told us they didn't want to do the one-on-one swap either," Donahoe told Sirius NFL Radio. "They wanted us to give them Travis, plus something else."Leo Roth, of the Rochester Democrat & Chronicle, reports Arizona Cardinals head coach Dennis Green told the East Valley Tribune that the Cardinals are still very interested in acquiring RB Travis Henry from the Buffalo Bills. Sources indicated the Cardinals are no longer looking for additional compensation, just in doing a player-for-player swap. The Cardinals have been offering OLT L.J. Shelton to the Bills. The Bills were also previously noted to not want to just do a player-for-player trade and were also looking for something more. Green went on to say they do not want to trade draft picks in the deal; while also noting Henry's current contract with just one-year remaining is not an obstacle.Just let my prediction be - I have thought since season's end that Henry will be traded for a fifth that conditionally could become a fourth, I'm sticking by it, and eventually we'll see what actually happens. You act like I'm actually involved in the deal and I'm blowing it.
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I didnt say he was going to get away with it, I said this seems what is happening. If you have been following the Bills, you know that TD is a good poker player. It may very well be that Green calls his bluff and the straight up trade is made and benefits both teams. It may also be that Green caves at the last second because TD is more likely to keep Travis than Green is to keep Shelton. It is highly unlikely IMO that TD just walks away from the Shelton deal which is by almost all accounts on the table. TD can wait it out as long or longer than Green can, IMO.
Sorry. I don't agree that he is that good. I think he paid too much for Losman, and certainly Bledsoe. I've been much more impressed with how he's built the bottom half of the roster than his high level trades and big impact decisions. I mean really - who has he swindled definitively?
I also think the imminence and mutual interest in this trade has been built up far more on the board than in real life, but that's a hunch - I have no proof of it. Too many "updates" coming from message boards for my taste.
By the way, in your post above, Travis rarely played on third downs in 2002 and 2003 on the Bills, which made his yards even more remarkable. Larry Centers played third down back almost the entire 2002 season, and Sammy Morris played it when he wasn't hurt in 2003. Travis played some and Joe Burns and Ken Simonton played some. Travis was the third down back at most a third of one season.Fair and balanced point - you're correct. Sorry.
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No, because TD may still think that he could get the extra two out of the Cards and is waiting to see if Green blinks. He knows he can get the straight up and thinks he can get the extra two. Green may or may not blink and give in at the last second because TD is lying to him and telling him we're keeping Travis unless we get the extra two, whether that is true or not.
There is very little if anything that has come out recently that makes me think that isn't what is going on. Green is hoping TD blinks and says okay to the straight up before he blinks and says okay, we'll do the extra two. That is why TD continues to say we'll keep Travis and we're not giving him up without fair value, which we think is more than Shelton (again, whether he really believes that or not isn't known and doesn't matter, he is just playing poker).
What TD furthermore has going for him is being known to just walk away from deals. The Cards may well be thinking he is going to go for the straght up, but that fukker, he may just walk away, he's a stubborn bastard and we can't trust him.
This assumes TD is a genius and everyone else is an idiot. This isn't reality.
Let's assume your premise is true. Let's assume LA's premise is true (the straight up trade makes sense for both teams because each player is more valuable to the other - a concept with which I agree wholeheartedly BTW although I can't really comment on these two guys not knowing Shelton's ability first hand). TD decides to play poker as you state and Green subsequently walks away and signs some other RB for what he perceives to be less compensation. If that happens, Donahoe has hurt the Bills because he missed out a chance to better the team.
I'm not even the biggest TD fan, but I think he's better than that. If you have a chance to improve your team, you do it.
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Henry did it 2 years in a row with the Bills, in the (at the time) tough AFC East, and there's NO ONE on the Cardinals' roster who is even close to Henry in terms of talent. That and his low pricetag are why Green is still interested in him after all this time, despite Alexander and James being available for just 2nd rounders. There's little doubt in my mind that, if he stays healthy, he'll start the whole season and rack up AT LEAST that many yards and TD's. Again it's the NFC West we're talking about here. The Cardinals were still in the running to WIN the division until the last week of the year, and they were never above .500!
How do you know Green is interested in him? Even if he is, he might be interested in trading exactly what I stated for him, which doesn't make my guess as to what Henry will get dealt for incorrect (yet).
Your argument doesn't make an iota of sense - the division might end up being bad again, but that's no reason Arizona specifically needs to trade for Travis Henry. They might look elsewhere, inward (Shipp?) or to the draft.
How many yards did he gain on 3rd downs with the Bills? And there is EVERY reason to believe he can duplicate, if not surpass those numbers, again assuming he's healthy, which is where the "conditional" part comes into play.Every reason, except....
* Henry can't stay on the field
* Henry can't block, and they are planning to run a pass heavy offense with a relatively immobile QB. More than 3 sacks a game from 2002-2004...these are not all his fault but the number went down significantly as soon as Henry left the lineup while Bledsoe remained - this was not a coincidence, and has been very consistent.
* Henry isn't that bright. For a long time up in Minnesota, Denny had the most intelligent running back in football in Robert Smith and likes to run a dynamic offense with a versatile tailback. Henry just doesn't seem like a good fit.
* Henry has fumbled a lot more than the average tailback across his career. Has he improved? Yes, but perhaps at the expense of his yardage.
* Because of all the above, he limits what kind of offense can be run, stresses others in protection schemes, and gets the QB extra contact.
Personally, I don't think he'll ever top 1,000 yards again.
So the Bills LOST games because of Travis in 2002 and 2003? You don't think that the horrible defense in 2002, or the lack of any offensive threat for most of 2003 had anything to do with the Bills losing?I didn't remotely say that. My only point is that he's never had a productive season on a team with a winning record. There also is the stark contrast in the Bills' record with him in 2004 versus McGahee. This won't be ignored. It is a giant red flag.
Don't apply for that GM job just yet ATBNG. TD wouldn't stop at those paltry numbers, and if Green balks at compensation at a 2nd or 1st rounder should Henry reach 1400+ yards, screw him and as I said, let him take a chance with a rookie.That makes no sense.
TD should be trying to set "paltry" numbers on a conditional pick - the lower the goals, the better for the Bills. TD's job is to present your argument that Travis is great. My argument is that he's not great or even good because football is a team sport, and Henry's individual yardage accomplishments three years ago are irrelevant to winning in 2005 and beyond.
If I were a GM, I wouldn't touch Travis Henry with a ten foot pole in 2005.
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What "conditions" make Henry worth just a 4th rounder? Say he rushes for 1400 yards and scores 12 TD's (which were close to his averages in 2002 and 2003, and would be conservative estimates assuming he stays reasonably healthy and since he'd be playing in the weak NFC West), would you say that he was worth just a 4th rounder? I wouldn't, and if a conditional pick WERE part of the trade (without Shelton), I'd tell Green to take his chances on a rookie OR spend a ton on a guy like Alexander or James.
He's not going to run for 1400 yards and score 12 TD's.
I'm highly doubtful he's going to win a job in camp myself. Henry is not a good player. Too many negatives in his overall game. There's absolutely no reason to think he's going to repeat his 2002 and 2003 numbers, especially since he's probably not going to play on third downs unless by some miracle a light goes on that has never gone on before. He didn't help Buffalo in those years when he played on third down, but he did probably help his numbers.
Do keep in mind that those years were achieved in losing campaigns. Teams want to acquire players in the NFL so they can win games, not gain yards. They look at FILM. They could give a crap about yards gained three years ago. Save those arguments for your fantasy football trades MBD - that's where they're relevant.
If I were making the deal, I'd propose somewhat gentle requirements on the conditional 4th - one of 750 yards rushing, 1000 yards total, 50% of the snaps, < 3% turnover/touch ratio with some minimum number of touches....something like that.
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The fact that Henry made the Pro-Bowl has nothing to do with his value in a trade in the here and now. The Pro-Bowl is essentially a sham.
Look at what the Bills did with 2003 Pro-Bowler Reuben Brown.
Arizona, and the other 30 NFL teams, are basing their assessment of Henry on what they see on film, his versatility on the field and what they know about his character and work ethic. They'll then decide what he is worth in a trade based on what they'll have to pay him next year.
Fifth, conditional fourth.
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I was thinking the same thing, only w/ a added.
The Giants from the first believed that Dayne was a big, power RB. But w/ Dayne, it's like they bought a bottle of shampoo, and when they opened it, toothpaste came out. Dayne has the size to be a power rusher, but that's not how he does or can play. Fassel and Coughlin were both exasperated that he wasn't the type of player his size dictated he should be. That and Dayne has been something of a head case, thinking he's all that and a bag o' chips and what everyone else is saying is wrong.
Maybe Shanahan will get something out of him.... Probably not.
Personally I love the move. One of my favorite moments every year is when someone picks this guy on fantasy draft day and I laugh my backside off. Every year Dayne supposedly comes to camp in the best shape of his life, and every year he stinks.
The fact that Dayne is now on Denver guarantees that said flyer will be taken yet again this year. Good times.
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Ron Dayne might be the best test yet that pretty much any running back can be successful in the Denver system.
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I think that you have to understand JP-Era that your right to post here does not equate to the right to have your ideas universally accepted as valid.
You're also going to have a hard time convincing people that your thoughts have much substance when you call your proverbial daddy for backup as soon as someone questions them.
As far as Jason Taylor for Henry goes, I like to eat steak when I go out to eat. I also would like to pay $3 for a 12 ounce cut of porterhouse cooked medium rare but have not yet done so. I can throw that out there and hope it will happen because "anything can happen," but in reality I know that that notion is absurd.
Is there a winning strategy for Henry besides play
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They don't get nothing - they get his cap space right now and the flexibility that comes with it.
It's bad business to keep him at his current cap figure if he's not going to be a third down back or play special teams. It's bad business if the team has already decided that Willis is in Buffalo to stay, that TH is gone after 2005 and they have to wait a year to develop a complementary back to WM.
It's dubious to think he has value when he went through the draft untraded.
It's pretty unlikely that the Bills will chug along without issue if WM were to get hurt and replaced by Henry, when just the opposite happened last year.