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  1. 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

    You won't find a bigger Josh Allen fan than me, but I have totally lost faith in the coaching to find that outcome. They are in the process of Cam Newtoning him.

     

    Or more likely getting him injured so that he's a fraction of the player he was after 18 months (if lucky if that were to occur) of rehab.  

  2. 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:


    So bills coaching is net equal or negative as compared to every team they played? That’s funny. 

     

    Well, we were outcoached by the Jets, twice, as they outplayed us but had inferior talent generally speaking.  At QB it wasn't even close.  

  3. 2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

    Allen has the height and arm and brain to transition to a pure pocket passer as he ages.  We realistically have 10 more years of high end QB play from Allen.   Best case scenario, McDermott wins multiple super bowls with Allen, starting next year.  Worst case scenario, we are Jeff Fishered with McDermott. 

     

    I don't think that Allen's going to be running the way he does in ten years, not even close.  I'll give him five, six tops of that.  Keep in mind too that because he has to do everything, he's a lot more likely to get injured.  He suffered one this year, due more to crap OL play, but still, we're lucky, he's lucky, that it hasn't been a knee or shoulder.  

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  4. 3 hours ago, Chaos said:

    On the swap Allen alone side of the ledger, there were 8 games we felt the Bills actually won that we would have lost if QBs were swapped.  

     

    Keep in mind that without our Allen-led offense, opposing offenses would have scored much more and logged more yards than they did due to our inability to stay on the field offensively.  

  5. 11 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

       

        They only treat it like a business when it comes to getting paid.  They treat it as a kids game they love playing otherwise.  If they treated it like work and that's their best effort then everyone of them should be fired.

     

    Well, at this point it's pretty obvious that Frasier doesn't have what it takes to make it thru a string of playoff games while playing the kind of D that we play during the season.  

     

    It's also pretty obvious that Allen can use better instruction.  

     

    It's pretty obvious that there doesn't seem to be any kind of methodical approach on game days, more a "shoot from the hip" thing.  

     

    It's also pretty obvious that Beane's 1st and 2nd rounders aren't amounting to the impact players that they should be.  

     

    It's also pretty obvious that McDermott is more of a cheerleader than a tactician, ala the rest of the coaches in the playoffs at this point, and also isn't going to push them over the hump.  

     

    Now with their own decision-making setting us back, for who knows how long, they continue on as if nothing happens.  

     

    To support your statement.  

     

    In a perfect world, Pegula should have told McD that if he doesn't at least get us back to the AFC CG today, that he's gone.  McD should have gotten rid of Frasier after last season, for sure now.  He didn't nor won't.  

     

    At bare minimum, if they want to treat this like a business, unless they want to be JAB (business), changes need to be made at the top levels.  

     

    People ask here, what we do if we're Beane?  It's a loaded question, most of us here wouldn't be in this situation if we had been in charge over the past few years.  Asking other people to clean up an unsolvable mess created by another isn't fair.  

     

    If Pegula had any stones, he'd tell McBeane both, next year they'd better get to the AFC CG or start looking for new work.  But we'll rely on the whole "well, it's better the 20 years of mediocrity" schtick until we enter the next 20 years of it.  

    13 minutes ago, JMM said:

    I tend to agree especially after watching them on Sunday.  It's been puzzling, when McDermott came in he preached physicality, discipline and tackling.  And that's exactly the team we had the first few years. Tenacious,  physical. Good tacklers. I don't know what the heck has happened! I used to think Daboll brought a softness to the O, but look how he had the G men playing this year on both sides of the ball! I certainly believe on the D end, it's partly due to Frazier. His personality and style permeate his D. Again you would think a guy who played on those great Bears D's would preach aggressive physical style. It's been very puzzling and disappointing to watch this the last two years.

     

    Could also be that McD read too many press clippings about him and the team and went into cruise-control.  We'll never know.  We do know that nothing's going to change tho, the things that we're lacking simply don't appear overnight and for no reasons.  

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  6. 3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:


    I hear ya. No locking horns here either. Dean to me is more of a will. I dont see him holding up at mike, where Lloyd does. I do think the Eagles give Dean a shot if Edwards is gone, but I still think he is too small. Lloyd was a premium run defender in college and I think he will continue to improve and form a pretty good tandem with Muma. 
     

    And yes, we have missed out on a number of second round/third round linemen beculause we looked elsewhere and it hurts. 

     

    All in all, the holes we have are due to the lack of effective drafting.  That's the main point that we seem to agree on.  You never know how players turn out over time.  

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  7. Fair, but I wouldn't give Beane credit for simply identifying a known proven talent at his position.  We were fortunate that Diggs was persona-non-grata in Minnesota.  Minny used that pick for Jefferson, quite arguably better than Diggs.  Also, we threw in a few other day-three picks.  

     

    Good transaction, just saying that I don't use it to credit Beane for being able to draft well.  

    10 minutes ago, finn said:

    I'm less impressed by the Diggs trade than you. Yes, he has performed marvelously. But the Vikes took Jefferson with the pick we gave them. Now they have a younger, cheaper, arguably better player, as well as that fourth round pick we also gave up. 

     

    You want an eventual starter with your second- and third-round pick. Neither Epenesa nor Moss are/were close. Davis and Hodgins were both very good (not great) picks. Dane and Bass were both great picks. 

     

    Beane has built a solid team but hasn't provided enough elite players. Allen, Diggs, Miller, Milano, Hyde. That's it. With the holes the roster has, this isn't enough. 

     

    Milano wasn't drafted under Beane.   Also not sure that they brought Hyde on board while Beane was in charge.  Did they?  He too came in 2017, but as a FA.  

  8. 6 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

    Not that this is saying a lot for Epenesa, but some people would argue that Epenesa was significantly better than Basham this year

    Unless you're comparing Basham this year to Epenesa last year? Which, since the rest of the line was very different, may not be fair.

     

    One of the most important things is consistency.  Take great players, the Bosa's, or the Watt's.  They play hard and well almost all the time.  

     

    Our best players in the F7, besides Milano who's taken a number of years to develop into that player, don't show up with any consistency.  Somewhere hear or elsewhere I read that after Miller went out, our entire D regressed in a big way.  

     

    Beane has drafted almost no consistent players.  Milano wasn't one of Beane's draftees.  

    3 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

    Miller is a LB in name only in this defense because of his number. He's a DE here. We run so many 2 LB sets because we run nickel pretty much as our base. Not because Von went down. We've ran nickel pretty much since McDermott got here. 

     

    Agreed, but that fuels my statements about the LB-ing corps even more.  I threw him in there to eliminate people saying that we had three until he went out.  

     

    We've had only two decent LBs the entire time that Beane's been here, if even two, as it's taken Milano what, five seasons to develop to where he is now.  

     

    Again, the point being that we have only two LBs, and if Edmunds leaves, ... then what, rhetorically.  

  9. 3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

    Kaiir Elam looks like he could be a future CB1, but we only have limited looks because of McD’s bizarre obsession with a rotation this year. 

     

    That's something else that we're really not talking about.  

     

    The entire d rotates except for the LBs where we have zero depth, hell, we don't even have three reliable starters at LB.  

     

    But players like Oliver should be expected to take at least 80% of the snaps.  Oliver had 50% and Rousseau had 44%.  Both 1st rounders.  That's ridiculous.  

  10. 22 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

    Why? He struggles to get off blocks and playing with power. Not really a good combination when fighting lineman every play.

     

    Just trying to find his role.  He seems to struggle doing everything.  He's like Oliver, shows up for some games, in others you never hear his name called.  

     

    I wasn't trying to suggest that he'd be the next Von Miller, but the reason why we're discussing this is because Beane can't draft.  Again, the reason why we had so many 2 LB sets is because we simply didn't have another LB capable of starting after Miller went down, not surprisingly at 33 and with recent injury issues prior to coming here.  

     

    I'm not bullish on Edmunds, he's an average to above-average LB and an inconsistent one at that.  He posts great games sometimes, and stinkers at others.  They didn't pick up his 5th year for a reason.  We traded up to get him.  Not a great decision.  

     

    He did improve this season, but it's also a contract year, so who knows whether that improvement will stick.  

  11. 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:


    I don’t care about  PFF data. You didn’t know anything about Lloyd? Really? Edmunds at the edge?

     

    Anyway, Lloyd played 80% of the defensive snaps, a lot of which came next to another rookie in Chad Muma for a playoff team. Dean is an undersized player who sat the bench and still got hurt (his durability was always a concern.) 

     

    One guy played and flashed in the NFL. One guy sat the bench and still got hurt and was really good in college. i am definitely not the one joking here
     

     

     

    Not trying to get into a tiff here, but Lloyd did nothing statistically, I didn't look at PFF, I looked at his stats.  15 starts at LB, 0 sacks, 0 TFL, 2 QB Hits.  IDK, maybe he's Milano light for Milano's first four years, pass defense only.  That's not the point.  Dean is five times the overall LB that Lloyd is.  From appearances it looks as if Lloyd is a pass-defending LB like Milano.  Not sure that's really what we need and what's going to improve the D.  We sorely lack run-stopping and overall well-rounded LBs.  

     

    I'm not trying to lock horns with you here.   But Dean played behind Edwards, one of the best MLBs in the league.  He, Edwards, contributes heavily to Philly's D.  

     

    Either way, I'd have taken Fortner over Cook any day because we needed, and still do, OL.  Cook was a luxury pick that we both reached for and couldn't afford.  He has shown no particular ability to be the full-time ball carrier in college and did we really need another receiving option short, that Allen often ignores.  No.  HIs catch% is unimpressive otherwise.  Poor use of a draft pick.  

  12. 12 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:


    Nah we should have drafted Devin Lloyd in the first, in the second Luke Fortner, Nicholas Petit-Frere, or Abraham Lucas instead of Cook. Then Rachaad White in the 3rd and probably Tariq Woolen with the 4th we traded to move up two spots for Elam. Revisionist, but this was a terrible draft in 2022 and with how great a draft the Giants had, Joe Schoen was a big loss. 


    Malcom Rodriguez in the 6th is better than Bernard. 

     

    Are you joking?  Lloyd I didn't know anything about until I just looked him up, but he started all season and provided even less for Jax than most of Beane's rookies do.  Nakobe Dean was a monster at UGA.  He's going to be an incredible starter for years at MLB once he gets in there.  

  13. 12 hours ago, Rigotz said:

    Yes, I know he looked terrible this season in limited play.


    3rd rounder in a potential Super Bowl year.

    We needed OL and WR badly.

    Why did we draft him?

     

    The Bills play a base 4-2-5 defense… 4 down linemen, two linebackers, 5 DBs including a Nickel (Taron) who acts as a linebacker at times. Was Bernard intended as insurance against a Taron or Edmunds injury? Was he intended to be used as a core special teamer and traditional OLB in 4-3 looks?

     

    I didn’t understand this pick at the time and still don’t … unless it was always the plan to groom him to replace Edmunds… which also seems odd in a SB year.

     

    So… what do you think was the ideal outcome Beane had in mind?

     

    Try to keep the snarky/defeatist answers to a minimum.

     

    We should have drafted Nakobe Dean in round 2 instead of Cook.  The only reason why he's not starting in Philly is because TJ Edwards is ahead of him on the depth chart.  He would have started in the middle here giving flexibility with Edmunds.  It would have given us three solid starting LBs after Miller went down.  That's the risk when you shoot-the-moon on a 33-year old LB.  We didn't realize the benefit, we absorbed the risks with Von Miller's signing.  I for one would enjoy seeing what Edmunds could do on the edge regularly.  

  14. 18 minutes ago, Captain_Quint said:

    Bringing back Shaq and Jordan Phillips was a solid move that brought some 'edge' to the defense, but they are role players, and more of a 'feel good story'. 

     

     

    I want to see our oline stepping on necks, And our safeties back to laying the wood next year

     

     

    At some point you have to draft well.  

     

    Otherwise, we need a C, OT, G (at least), a RB that's capable of handling a full time load, a WR that doesn't rank among the top-100 in dropped passes to compliment Diggs.  (Davis ranks 7th among WRs, McKenzie 8th in Drop %)   FWIW, Singletary ranks 5th in the league and 3rd among RBs in Drop %.  Those WRs ranking worse than Davis/McK are Romeo Doubs, Jauan Jennings, Zay Jones, Rondale Moore, and Darius Slayton.  Not exacly an all-star list.  Those two rank in the top-20 for Drop % and with Knox we have three in the top-40.  To Knox's and Singletary's credit, along with Diggs and Beasley, their Catch% is high, good!  Cook was supposed to excel as a receiving RB but he's average there.  

  15. I have a personal moratorium on critizing Allen.  Sure, he fumbles, he throws unnecessary INTs, but he also shoulders the load for this entire team, coaching, the entire offense, leadership.  For every bad play there are 4 or 5 spectacular ones.  If he's not on the team we win may one division game and 4-6 games total, making that "last 20 years" look like a championship run.  That's how poorly Beane has done.  

     

    As to "good guys," you hit on something.  McD is a players coach, just like Levy was.  If we had Parcells, Johnson, or Gibbs back then, with our collection of talent, which Polian said was special, we'd have won one or more SBs.  

     

    As long as we have a players coach, and not a tactician and a coach that knows how to do his part to win on Sundays besides simply standing there clapping and handing out "attaboys," we're in the same boat.  ... except that this team can't even find its way to a Super Bowl.  

     

    Here's my thing, the owners, coaches, and players all treat it like a business.  At the end of the day they even tell us, it's business first.  So why is it that for fans we're supposed to "have understanding" as if we've all been given free tix and merchandise and should merely be grateful for being able to attend or watch.  

     

    Beane's and McD's complete lack of action following this season, and I would even have argued after last season, is a slap in the face to the business side of the fan experience.  Many HCs would have fired their DC who seems to go on a mental vacation as soon as the regular season ends, and stated as much (i.e. 'we need someone that can get us to that next level' or whatever drivel they want), but here in Buffalo they fire the position guy that had his two starters out, one all season, the other for much of it and injured the rest of the time and playing more inspired football than most of the other players on the team.  Yeah, that makes sense and isn't an insult to fans.  It'll sure send a message to the rest of the coaching staff to get us to that next level.  SMH  

     

    "Good guys" is right.  Since we want to run a boys club fraternity instead of a football team, OK, but we're never going to be competitive, particularly now going forward with the huge contracts, the swing-and-a-miss of Miller's I won't even go into now. 

     

    I also won't mention Beane who should be on his knees every night before a statue of Allen on his mantlepiece thanking God that at least Allen worked out.  LMAO, can you imagine our offense without Allen?  I have an impossible time not thinking it wouldn't rank DFL. 

     

    So good guys, ... yup!   So I guess it's a business, .... until it's no longer a business.  

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  16. On 1/26/2023 at 12:05 PM, Wayne Arnold said:

    Since Sunday afternoon I've seen so many Bills fans complaining about Frazier, McDermott and the defense. Upset that they couldn't shut down one of the best offenses in the NFL in the divisional playoffs. 

     

    The bottom line is this: Once Allen signed that massive contract, the Bills stopped being the type of team that can shut down powerful offenses and instead moved into the category of teams that have to outscore opponents.

     

    The days of a dominant Bills defense are over. The NFL's system is built that way thanks to the salary cap. We have a franchise quarterback now that's paid that way. We're not going to be able to load the roster with defensive stars going forward. 

     

    Josh Allen is one of the three best quarterbacks in the NFL today. That means the offense has to be dominant. The defense just has to not be terrible. Giving up 27 points is not terrible. Scoring 10 points IS terrible. This is the mentality that Bills fans are not used to but have to get there: which is to focus on the offense instead of the defense.

     

    It's not ideal to get down 0-14 to start a game. But it didn't phase me. I knew the defense would adjust and for the most part they did, only giving up 13 points the rest of the way. But the 0-14 start really didn't bother me much because we have Josh Allen - I fully expected the offense to start humming and not only get back into it but eventually take the lead. But they never did. The defense gave the offense opportunities to do so but the offense failed each time.

     

    Frazier isn't a schematic genius but he's not going anywhere. The system isn't going anywhere. It's good enough to not be terrible.

     

    Instead, put the focus and pressure on where it now belongs - the offense:

     

    • Dorsey has to get better in Year 2. The schemes he comes into the 2023 season with and his playcalling on game days.
    • Beane has to upgrade the OLine. Draft, free agency...whatever. The OLine on Sunday was a total embarrassment. That's on Beane to fix it.
    • Outside of Diggs, the wide receiver unit is simply not good enough. Gabe Davis ain't it. Neither is McKenzie. I like Shakir. But Beane needs to address this unit this offseason.
    • Improvement from Knox, Cook, Hines - a lot of this has to do with Dorsey involving them more. But all three have major talent that must be properly utilized.

     

    If all of this happens, Allen can relax and be the best quarterback on the planet in 2023. He will stop feeling like he has to be Superman every possession and just play.

     

    Then the offense can be dominant.

     

    That's how this team is going to win the Super Bowl. Not by being the 2000 Ravens. But by being the 1999 Rams.

     

    Losing, not shutting down a good offense, being beaten is one thing.

     

    Playing loose sloppy football, marked by "WTF" coaching, entirely unable to generate ANY kind of pass-rush whatsoever, leaving opposing WRs so wide open that it's not even known who blew the assignment, not to mention the typical play-calling issues that are routine with this team, are two entirely different things.  

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  17. 1 hour ago, Pasaluki said:

    I guess I get it. 

    Them not playing well was a huge missed opportunity. I really believed this team really could have been something special but they couldn't overcome the adversity and they played small.

     

    They didn't play to their best ability, and the primary, by a country mile, reason for them not doing so, was coaching. 

     

    So what's their "solution" for the future?  I guess that firing the distant coach that had the greatest number of injuries in his unit, and his two starters, of two, was that solution.  I guess if they had fired one of the assistants to the assistant regional manager would have been too obvious.  

     

    I mean really, a show of hands as to who thinks that this one firing will change anything whatsoever?  I doubt that even one hand goes up.  

     

    Talk about denial and a lack of willingness to do their jobs, ... McBeane. 

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  18. On 1/23/2023 at 12:23 PM, Einstein said:

    Ouch.

     

    “Guys were exhausted during the week and our coaches did the best they could try to modify the week . . . but there was just uncharacteristic things that were kind of happening . . . I have to kind of put that into effect and not as an excuse just this team has been fighting for so long and fighting through all of this adversity you almost run out of gas at some point,” Saffold said

     

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/23/rodger-saffold-on-bills-loss-you-almost-run-out-of-gas-at-some-point/

     

    Several thoughts here ...

     

    First, this is somewhat insulting to the average Joe/Josephine that has to get up everyday and slog to work just to put food on the table or pay the rent/mortgage.  If they run out of gas, too bad, they have to do it anyway.  Maybe they have two jobs, single parent, etc.  Often very hard work or in the cold or dangerous as well.  etc. 

     

    Secondly, these guys get off paid way too much to not show up like they did, regardless of circumstances.  If it's that bad, at least tell the fans so that we get the memo too, as part of the equation.  Maybe instead of sitting in the cold trying to cheer our brains out for a car in a race that's on blocks, we'd have preferred to do something else with OUR time & resources.  

     

    Ticket prices are exorbitant this season for our region.  I don't see any coordinated effort by the players with bigger contacts to pool together to offer refunds.  Pegula's sure as hell not going to, nor the NFL.  

     

    Lastly, this STILL doesn't explain the idiotic play-calling.  A good coach should be able to sleepwalk through a game plan.  Putting your zombied players in the best alignments to succeed is better than putting them in the worst, all but guaranteeing failure.  This is arguably the biggest problem here.   

     

    I'm sure that this wouldn't have been the first time that an exhausted team went out, did their jobs, and won.  

     

    It was 17 points, not 30-some.  

     

    The owners, coaches, and players treat it like a business, but for some reason we as fans aren't allowed to treat it the same.  This whole thing would be fine if admission were free, but it isn't, to the contrary in fact, admission is more expensive than it's ever been.  

     

    Our fans have been incredibly sympathetic to all of the things going on, including some providing transportation during the blizzard s, etc.  Sympathy& understanding can be communicated freely via cards, e-mails, donations, etc.  But for fans to pay what we've had to pay this season for the slop, LED BY NON-PHYSICAL c coaching, that we saw last Sunday doesn't cut the Weber's.  

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  19. 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

     

     

    Yeah, I guess it's possible Beane doesn't know what he's doing. But nearly all the evidence points the other way. This team has both units near the top of DVOA and the whole team was #1. If he didn't know what he was doing, that simply wouldn't have happened. Doesn't mean he's perfect, of course. But good? That appears very clear.

     

    As for their rounds, one of the problems the Bills now have is that they're drafting in the mid to late twenties consistently. The blue-chippers are gone by then. His first round picks have been good. The two first rounders you mentioned, Oliver and Rousseau, are solid value. The two second rounders you mentioned are young and may get better. Or not. So far neither has lived up to their spot, but we'll have to see.

     

    And the "business/performance aspect of the enterprise" is doing really really well. Could be better, of course. Only one team really goes home happy at the end of the year and let's face it, we aren't that team. But they put a really good product on the field. Most teams would trade for McDermott/Beane/Allen in a second.

     

    "Recency bias from this last game, I know everyone’s gonna lose their minds, but we did a lot of good things this year."  - Josh Allen

     

    Yup. 

     

    Well, I'd say this, that at the end of the day they're not cutting it.  

  20. 1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said:

     

     

    Yeah, we didn't handle their O-line when they had 3/5 of their starters out. But nobody wants to mention that we had 2/5 of the D-Line across from that O-line out, and the ones who were out were probably the two best guys, the two who consistently drew doubles, Von Miller and DaQuan Jones. Nobody seems to want to remember that.

     

    This team has had a horrific season, with problems for the ages. And yet again, nobody wants to mention this when talking about how they played. They simply didn't look like the same team. For whatever reason they had a really bad day. If they'd had a good day and a few less injuries, this could easily have been a very different game. Hard to say, of course, but very possible.

     

    Our DL vs. the Bengals featured 3 former 1st rounders and 2 former 2nd rounders, 2 and 2 if we only count the ones on Beane's watch.  

     

    It's quite possible that he doesn't know what he's doing.  

    9 minutes ago, B-Man said:

     

    So we can't really blame Frazier, but. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . we can fire the Safeties coach ?

     

     

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    LOL, like I joked, nothing really changes until we fire one of the Quality Control Assistant coaches.  

     

    Again, loyalty is good, but when it supersedes the business/performance aspect of the enterprise, ... 

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  21. 11 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

    I didn't have a problem with the Saffold signing. But it was clear as day, to anyone who watches football how horrible he was, and they never made any effort to replace him at all. I know their depth wasn't great, but their was no attempt. Is Van Roten better? I dunno. Ike Boettger when he came back? At this point yeah. They got rid of Quentin Spain quick and should have replaced Saffold in the same manner. 

     

    Another weird thing to me, why put the two most inexperienced linemen on the line next to each other on the right? I mean stick Bates between Dawkins and Morse and Saffold/Van Roten next to Brown. 

     

    The whole process around Saffold was weird and illogical. 

     

    A Titans friend of mine came over for the Bills/Cinci game and he didn't know that Saffold was on the Bills, he started laughing once he saw Saffold and started making fun of him.  He had nothing good to say about his time in Tennessee.   

     

    Morse and Dawkins are the only relatively consistent OL-men that we have.  The rest are mediocre and below-average.  But this is what happens when you stock your OL talent from the budget bargain bin in free agency with 1-2 year signees.  

     

    31 is old for a C and given Morse's 6 concussions, I'd make plans for the future there.  Both are only signed for two more seasons as it is.  Rookie OL-men rarely come in and play to above-average levels.  And what if either goes down due to injury?  Morse already missed a few games and he was injury prone before he came here, now he's entering his back-9, with 6 concussions.  I mean looking at it from his point of view, Jr. Seau comes to mind.  

     

    To your point, when you have Allen, the entire approach, or non-approach we could say, to "building" the OL is weird and illogical.  

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  22. 12 hours ago, wvbillsfan said:

    I understand the defensive DVOA and missing starters argument 

    But so was Bengals offense 

    injuries are part of the game 

     

    Accountability doesn’t make excuses and there needs to be accountability for the playoff failures as well as our slow starts in the first quarter 

     

    It’s almost like we take no time during the week to game plan. 

     

    Agreed.  The concern should be Allen getting injured.  I mean how long can he play with a below-average OL, taking the hits he takes, unnecessarily because McBeane won't protect him properly.  We've been fortunate to this point.  

     

    If that happens, there's zero chance of much of anything besides finishing in the basement of the East for who knows, what, another 20 years.  They broke the mold on Allen, we'd be lucky to get another great pocket passer, and a pocket passer would not fare well behind our O-Line w/o any semblance of a reliable running game.  I mean seriously, who sees us as anything but a 5-12 (or so) team if Allen's not the QB.  Subtracting the one-possession games alone that we won would have put us at 7-9 this season and behind the Jets who would have been 8-9.  

     

    Allen is unique, I feel bad for him as he has to unreasonably shoulder just about everything associated with this team, and has to overcome poor coaching, poor game-planning, poor protection, the lack of even an average running game apart from himself, poor defense at times, etc.  

     

    Without Allen, our rushing game ranks 2nd-to-Last in both yards and rushing TDs.  

     

    I don't see any QB, including Allen, having much more than a brief career having to play like that every season as he's had to do.  I don't see how it's possible that he plays like that after years of getting hammered once he exits his prime, which is what, a few short years from now and shortly after the new stadium is built, ... if they ever get off their duffs and get it going.  

     

    Underlying your point seems to be the notion that McBeane are content to get all that they can out of Allen without much regard to his future beyond his prime years.  

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  23. 13 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

    Letting Saffold walk, would be a big step in the right direction.

     

    I think he's a free agent.  Either way, an even bigger step would be for Beane to quit trying to stock our OL from the league's budget bargain bin in free-agency.  

     

    Would love to see a C and an OT in rounds 1 & 2.  Honestly, if he drafts another DE/DL or DB ...  

     

    Morse isn't long for the game with 6 concussions and being a Center now in his back-9.  He's currently the glue that holds the line together.  He was injury prone before he got here, he missed a few this season.  It would be unwise to count on him at this point.  

     

    Would love to see them make a move for Patterson, even if it's a slight reach.  He could play G until Morse can't play C anymore.  

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  24. Nothing's gonna change until they fire the Quality Control Assistant!  

    And we want to know what's wrong with Beane and McD, and relatedly, why we won't win a championship under them.  

     

    Look no further.  

     

    Loyalty is one thing, loyalty when people are failing is failure to do one's job yourself.  

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