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4 minutes ago, Cray51 said:
It showed that Brady and Babich are "new" coordinators. They both approached the 60 minutes like they were reacting to the other team. Not a good look. You bank on them being able to learn, however it is frustrating that we need our coordinators to learn on the job.
Which begs the question, why not hire better coordinators.
That discussion opens up a sore and controversial topic here though.
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On 1/26/2025 at 10:22 PM, Mr. Wonderful said:
WR and really all defensive positions. Beane has a lot of homework to do.
Here's my question though, if we continue with this Everyone Eats philosophy, why world we spend a lot of resources on a to WR?
Will they ditch that philosophy?
While it may have appeared that we went that route "because we don't have a bona fide #1 WR," it seems that they went that route deliberately.
If not, then McConkey would have been a better pick than Coleman, at least his ceiling was significantly higher.
Also, contributing to the notion that the EE philosophy was deliberate is the fact that they rotate the WRs like they rotate the DL-men. Manny of us disagree with that.
Otherwise, if we maintain that philosophy, what WR is going to want to come here knowing ahead of time that his ceiling is restricted.
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7 minutes ago, Cray51 said:
Bills need to address some things in the coaching room. 1) Brady needs to expand his playbook with new schemes/plays when it matters. Thinking back to the Detroit game, he schemed up some GREAT plays that the Lions had no answer for. Need more of that. 2) Brady needs to be more aggressive on the boundary corners, and Bernard needs to understand how to handle the mesh concepts that killed them all night. 3) They need to coach 4th down to not be the Tush push every play. They need a fake out of that formation. Direct snap to a late motion, Allen goes to the right instead, Allen rolls out for a pass. They had half a dozen chances to do it, and they couldnt.
Thinking and being able to adjust on the fly is imperative and has been a weakness every season.
The best coaches are great tacticians. Unfortunately ours is not a great tactician.
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1 hour ago, BananaB said:
I think that’s a big problem with the “everybody eats” way of life the Bills played. Sometimes your best players aren’t on the field in key situations. Obviously it’s different plays and different situations dictate who’s out there but not sure how it really works. There is a big rotation though. There had been times where you just wonder why is that guy on the field, or why is a certain player not on the field once ya see the replay. Maybe that’s just me though. I’ll tell you this though, our O looked it’s best when Coleman and Kincaid were injured. Seemed like more players were getting involved and everything flowed much better. I think Coleman sucks though, and he was worse when he came back of injury. Thought Knox had his best stretch when Kincaid hurt and it was beneficial to the team. Ironically you could say the same about Kincaid last year when Knox was down.
In the end you want your best players on the field in crucial moments and we didn’t always see that this year. In big games like Sunday it probably be best to have those players on as much as possible.Great post.
Whether Coleman sucks or not, drafting him is a great example of why not to trust many of the narratives put forth about draftees.
The narrative was that he's great in traffic and "contested throws." I went to great lengths to disprove that narrative back then.
At the end of the day it turned out to be false, and to boot, Coleman's catch% is horrific, worst on the team, his dropped ball % was higher than Gabe's average while he was here, and his hands were nowhere near what that narrative was. He's a liability, not an asset.
Hopefully he'll improve.
27 minutes ago, DaVinci said:Game was very winnable. Just pathetic. You had 5 years to come up with something.
We'll see, but if Philly beats them as I think they will, it will say even less for us.
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7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I don't think any coach in NFL history had this resume and was fired. The only guy (certainly modern era) who I can find who left after two Championship game losses without making a Superbowl with that team and without then suffering losing seasons that precipitated a firing is Schotty in Cleveland - who lost the '86 and '87 AFCCGs to Denver then went out in the wildcard in '88 to Houston and resigned after a disagreement with Art Model about playcalling.
It isn't ridiculous. His targets more than doubled from 2023 to 2024 (45 to 100) but his production only went up 34%. Because of the way we use him, the way he has to be used, it is the law of diminishing returns. Giving him another 50 targets wouldn't result in another third of production.
Stay focused here
LOL, we used a completely different system this year. He was in a different role as well.
WITHIN that system you would see a proportional increase. It's ridiculous to think otherwise.
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This really depends upon what they do scheme wise.
This idiotic everyone eats scheme doesn't entail any need for a big-time WR, not would any want to come here for a max 100 targets, for example.
OL played great all season generally speaking, just not two days ago.
Zone or man on D for example also.
Critics of our methodology want to see Allen unleashed in the paying game, not turned into a RB Game Manager, but they see it differently.
Needs depend upon the projected uses for them.
To name a few.
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12 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
How about this?
Winner gets the second overall pick in the draft.
Might motivate the coach and GM, but the players themselves?
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9 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:
Give some examples?
Entering the game seemingly completely unprepared for what was about to hit them.
And those screens, who's brilliant idea was that.
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5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
He isn't a route runner he is a space finder. He never ran routes at Boise and was never coached to run routes in that offense. When he first got here they tried to teach him route running and he just kept running into coverage. They backed off it and the way they use him right now is perfect. It suits his skillset and it suits the team. He isn't diverse enough to say "that's a guy we have to force targets to." I should be clear as well, because not sure I was yesterday, but have been previously like in the thread that predicted him for a thousand yard before the 2024 season - that if Shakir plays 5 or 6 years with Josh Allen I expect he will have a 1,000 yard season somewhere along the line. I just don't think he is a guy you can feature to the extent that he is going to be consistently a 1,000 yard plus guy. He is our most productive an reliable receiver currently, of that there is no doubt, but he should be a complimentary piece. That is the role he fits. The fact fans are talking about him as though he is a feature piece is an indictment of how the rest of the WR room has been built. And that's on Brandon Beane.
It's simple, his catch% is among the best in the NFL, perennially.
My argument is that if he were to increase his snaps played, and therefore his targets, his output (yards, catches, TDs) would increase proportionally.
You disagree. That's fine, for as ridiculous a take as it is.
No need to belabor this.
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Shortly into the game a few friends and myself commented that they didn't seem very well prepared for what KC threw at them, on either side. KC dominated the D in the entire first half and had that continued they've have posted an even bigger day and a monster day offensively. Offensively Allen looked out of sync but in the first half we didn't run well and with the exception of that long pass to Hollins and maybe one other semi-long throw, the passing game was being overwhelmed too.
I still think that Allen was out of sync after posting an average 17 for 26 for 160 or so yards, and a mere 5 passing TDs over the prior four games. That doesn't include the Pats game that he sat. So for six weeks he didn't do much in terms of passing. Maybe he was just a little rusty.
Otherwise, we were shaking our heads at the screens and other dumb plays.
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1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:
This was certainly a long 24 hours for most and this will be my last thread for a while
At the end of the day only 1 team is crowned champion and 31 are bitter... But the bills were considered by football pundits to be rebuilding and weaker
They turned that into fuel with a great season and the emergence of Josh Allen being able to take care of the football
Something lots doubted if it could ever happen... The future is bright, Josh is not going anywhere.. and he has years of great football ahead of him
I always said Josh be completely ready around 30... He had so much to learn.. and his fire and competitiveness will never go away
The Buffalo Bills didn't get it done this year... But history says you can't keep a player like him down , and the people on this team care too much about each other to never get over the hump
Michael Jordan couldn't shake Larry Bird.. it took years for Steve Young to get the monkey off his back
I still billieve, I never will stop billieving and thank you for the memories this season
Let's go Buffalo
Nobody circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills
What, you got laid at lunch time or something?
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3 hours ago, Big Blitz said:
One thing about Worthy before you watch the Eagles shut him down - and let me make sure I’m clear - once Benford left coupled with no Rapp our SECONDARY IS GARBAGE not helped by ZERO PASS RUSH.
Beane needs to find dudes on defense.
Worthy posted the best game of his season against us.
On a full season it would have amounted to 102 catches for 1,445 yards and 17 TDs and a catch% of 85.7%.
FWIW
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2 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:
Bills hired Tuas concussion doctor right ?
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5 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:
The six Bills pallbearers sure to drop your casket on the way out of the church …
Kincaid
Trent Sherfield
Diggs
Charles ( Hands of) Clay
Gabe Davis
Zay Jones
Oddly, "Mr. Hands" Coleman's drop% rate this year was higher than Davis' while he was with the Bills.
Maybe include him.
On a sidenote, his catch% is one of the lowest for any Bills WR on Allen's watch otherwise. Ranked 116th among WRs. No WR worse than him had more yards. Only two players were within 200 yards and only two had more receptions, Dionyae Johnson had 4 more receptions, DeMarcus Robinson had 2 more receptions.
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13 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:
While I think Frank Reich is a good coach, I’m not sure I’d mess with the play calling magic that Brady had going. They need better than Shakir, rental Cooper, Hollins and Coleman at WR. They *could* resign Cooper and Coleman could have a breakout second year. I would not break the bank for Cooper, but he is still quite good. They need competition for Coleman in case he doesn’t develop.
No top WRs are going to want to come here with our mismatched "everyone eats" philosophy. Those WRs want the ball. That's what the team has gotten away from.
Shakir led the team with 100 targets. If Coleman breaks out he'll have to up his catch% which was the lowest, of any player, on the team, and he had an absymal success% as well at 43.9%. Saving him were a handful of long balls that he caught; 64, 57, 49, and 44 yards for about 40% of his total yardage. Only one of those catches was for a TD. (49) It's difficult to see Coleman every doing more than 700 or 800 yards in this system.
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20 minutes ago, Sojourner said:
The position is already held by a William & Mary alum in DJ Mangas.Our HC is W&M as is our OC.
They were all the best candidates for their respective jobs.
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14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Allen was not just a slot he was a move reciever played outside and in.
My argument on Shakir is two fold - we have seen that as his volume increased his impact reduced. There is obviously a levelling off effect at some point there but no I don't accept you just increase targets and the numbers jump in proportion. The reason for that is the type of targets you can feed him are limited. He is not a great route runner, so you just have to find him spaces - which are ordinarily underneath - and get the ball in his hands. Welker and Edelman were technician route runners. Khalil isn't that. I have said it before the guy he reminds me of is Austin Eckler just playing slot rather than receiving back.
Allen was primarily a slot under Staley. He had over 1,100 yards one of those seasons and apart from injuries was on pace for about the same the following season.
Shakir has that potential. We'll have to disagree on his route-running, but what's indisputable is his possession receiver traits and skills.
Either way, it's folly to suggest that if his targets were increased, that his approximately 80% catch% wouldn't hold and that his stats/performance would not increase proportionally.
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24 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
Keep Brian Daboll for 4 years which never happens for a young QB.
I don’t blame McDermott for last night and Allen is far better at his job than SM. I just think it’s kinda BS not to give SM/ the Bills a lot of credit for helping Allen become the player he is.
Not the point re: Daboll and you know it.
Of course not on the latter. It's never the reason. LOL
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5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
The Bills made the playoffs the year before Allen. They went 6-10 in Allen’s rookie year. They made the playoffs his second year.
obviously Allen is way more important than McDermott. But McDermott and this team deserves a ton of credit for Allen becoming the player he is.
What has McDermott done to improve Allen's game?
Did you see that article in The Athletic that someone posted as to how Allen's rise came about? ... did you read anything significant in it as to how McD contributed to it? HINT: There wasn't anything. If anything credit Daboll.
As to the playoffs, without Allen having hit steady-state, we were an incredibly average team. Both playoff games were horrific losses.
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2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:
That's what I just said, yet, what happened? Did we get a trophy? No. We have nothing to show for it. It's perfectly good rationalizing if you actually understand what I was saying
Sorry 'bout that. Yeah, I did botch the context somewhat. I deleted the post.
Still, not sure I'd say it'll never happen. Until Allen's gone I have to disagree, but to your and many others' points, and you know my take, it ain't happening as-is. It's blatant. Those that deny it will continue to deny until and if it's ever proven conversely. Otherwise file under if you know you know.
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12 hours ago, iccrewman112 said:
Speaking only about logistics.
1. Timing - there were coaches available for the past three weeks. Those prime candidates now have new jobs.
2. Joe Brady - If the agreement with a new coach is Brady is entrenched as the OC for at least one more year then you are likely hiring another Defensive coach, which many people believe is what has held Allen back.
3. Who is out there that can out coach a Reid Spags combo?
4. If smitten with Joe Brady are you going to promote him to Head Coach and leave him with the play calling duties from the sideline and have Lou Anarumo as the DC? If he wants to make staff changes there pickings will be slimmer at this point in the coach hiring cycle.
Valid points. It's never good to be forced to make a decision, it's better to make one when the options are optimal.
aka Ben Johnson's taken now.
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When I die I want 6 Buffalo Bills as pallbearers so they can let me down one last time
More appropriate, just put a folding table over the open grave and throw the deceased in there through the table. Then douse him in ketchup.
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28 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:
He started off erratic, almost like we were watching a diff QB, but settled in just before the half. I think we got grossly outcoached on both sides of the ball, but there is also a personal deficiency.
The entire team started off eratic. Seems as if we came in unprepared.
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
So part of the answer to that is they run the most extra OL and still a fair amount of legit two tight end (Kincaid and Knox) and when you do that it is your slot receiver that suffers snaps wise. Shakir can't play wide. He is slot only. While his overall snap count is barely over 50% he played 72.5% of the Bills passing snaps that Josh Allen took (i.e. excluding week 18 with Mitch) and if you remove the passing snaps in the game Khalil missed at Houston he is actually at 76.5% for the year which is right in the range you'd want. I disagree that he could have been a top 10 or top 5 receiver though. Shakir is who he is. A nice complimentary player. The numbers he put up this year - 800 yards 4 touchdowns - that is basically who he is IMO.
On why Hollins had the highest snap count among our receivers, that's easy. He plays outside so doesn't lose snaps to Anderson and/or Kincaid and Knox and he was the only receiver healthy all year and who played all 20 games (17 regular season and 3 post). He is actually slightly behind Shakir on passing down usage in games with with Josh at 67%.
I don't think the rotation is about everybody eats (with the exception of Cooper who they definitely only ran a limited package for) so much as it is about the Bills being one of the more formationally diverse offenses in the league this year.
Well, there's a whole lot to debate in this discussion, but allow me to point out that Shakir has and has had an incredibly high catch%, it may even be the highest in the NFL over the past two seasons. Slot or not, why not play him more?
He's averaged 5.9 targets and 4.8 receptions and despite not having two WRs ahead of him for targets this year, his increase in production was only marginal.
Either way, you're posing that if his targets increased by say 3, that we wouldn't see an associated increase percentage wise in catches and yards resulting in about 1,300 yards and 6 or 7 TDs which would put him in the top-5 WRs yardage wise? Seriously?
Keenan Allen was a slot receiver under Lombardi in LA and he averaged just about that with Herbert throwing him the ball. So it seems as if the basis for your posing this is flawed. Even marginal general receivers such as Wes Welker and Julian Edelman, who weren't even the #1 targets in NE under Brady posted incredibly better numbers than Shakir has.
Otherwise there are a number of slot receivers that have put up mote, notably more in some cases, and without Allen throwing to them. That's our primary QB-WR connection, Allen-to-Shakir.
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Well, that's why I'm posing the question. Was it, rhetorically. I originally thought the same, but knowing that McD loves to run first, despite having the biggest and most prolific arm in the game, it got me wondering. I mean why would one try to make the running game the staple of your offense if you had Allen as QB. Again, purely rhetorical, and your point taken, but they easily could have passed more than they did, and let's keep in mind, they were high on Coleman who was taken in the first pick after the 1st round. They could have taken McConkey who was more of a field stretcher than Coleman, even if only be default on the merits that Coleman isn't that. i.e. even then they were focused on the short game.
IDK, we'll find out more in a few months.