Joe Ferguson forever

Fundamentalists don't support those 2. And they don't acquiesce to being called "god"...

because just about everyone has a lawyer and accountant misrepresent a porn star payoff as a legal expense. Has anybody mentioned "Sleepy Don" in court. You can't make this stuff up; https://www.mediaite.com/politics/trump-glared-at-maggie-haberman-for-several-seconds-after-she-reported-he-fell-asleep-in-court/

Fundamentalists all over America are ignoring the immoral scumbags actions just like you. The marriage is transactional? How Christian…

I’m not on the side threatening civil war.

You have such high aspirations and apparently an abundance of free time.

That’s cool. Billsy is no more obsessive than many of the righties here tho. And he actually debates. As was said, it would be boring without disagreement. But I wish the two sides weren’t so far apart.

you're always pointing these arrows at other posters. Perhaps some introspection would be useful.

Any hospitalized pt was placed in isolation. That means a haz mat bag at the door that collected all workers masks, gloves and head covers when leaving - when there was enough PPP to afford this. Collecting the general population's used masks was never feasable. Nevertheless, death and infection rates in areas with high mask compliance were lower than in low compliance areas and even the best areas were no where near 90% compliance nor were masks disposed of systematically. That's what matters- real world studies.

You're fixated on mask disposal. Mask use is what is paramount.

and rightfully so. We're supposed to cure people not infect them.

Of course we should and do follow Osha guidelines. The vax compliance rate among docs was 99% in my region. Masks were required at all times at work and compliance was excellent. Re fomites:https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/104762. Not a big player.

you can't fix stupid. it's been proven on this forum repeatedly. There will always be the intellectually deficient. I need to do some looking but last I knew fomites (look it up) were not a significant source of Covid spread. Aerosolized droplets accounted for nearly all infections. Then it becomes a risk/benefit analysis which appears to be clearly on the side of masks as evidenced by the conclusion of the JAMA review I linked....

I appreciate you taking up the challenge but one must look at multiple studies especially when they are observational. The strong preponderance of evidence points to this conclusion among most Infectious Disease folks: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8499874/ "all studies we analysed that did not find surgical masks to be effective were under-powered to such an extent that even if masks were 100% effective, the studies in question would still have been unlikely to find a statistically significant effect" A more recent review from JAMA: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2811136 "Available evidence strongly suggests that masking in the community can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2 and that masking with the highest-quality masks that can be made widely available should play an important role in controlling whatever pandemic caused by a respiratory pathogen awaits us."

They love their anecdotes. Real science is harder to understand

Bs. I understand ignorance in vax rates very well. Access wasn’t very important when there was no effective treatment. Please link an article illustrating that vax was most important when access was adequate. The vast majority oh the ICU pts and dying patients were unvaxed. The unvaxedused the most resources while dying more frequently.

Not obvious at all. Early on there was no treatment which was also true even after the introduction of the vax which was widely available. As Billsy has linked, vax rates were the most important variable. Mask use was also a significant variable in many studies. Masks were widely available when the vax came out.

by mid pandemic, there was plenty of vaccine. The statistics that Billsy linked are fact. Red states did worse than blue ones...

I am a doctor. It never goes away. Still boarded and licensed just retired. Masks are always single use. No one ever recommended otherwise except when there was a ridiculous shortage of N95's and cleaning methods were recommended. Whose fault was the shortage? Why do MAGAs hate science so? Oh right, cuz it doesn't fit with your narrative. Neither does truth.

I practiced in a rural, very red area with some of the worst infection and death rates. No coincidence that compliance with public health measures and vax rates were awful. There was an excellent study done by Vanderbilt comparing morbidity and mortality in affluent, well educated and more compliant Nashville to red hillbilly areas. Guess which place did much better.

Link? Why do so many doctors still weAr them? Why are they required in the OR? Produce an article from a scholarly journal that supports your blanket statement.

based on what?

other presidents have set precedent

explain. you mean cuz he's going to lose? He's promised to pardon the J6 "hostages".

Is she really this stupid? Or is she just playing to MAGA cult members she knows are stupid? Thoughts... https://www.yahoo.com/news/marjorie-taylor-greene-urges-americans-174108938.html I vote for the former. She has a very simian appearance...