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    NFL Week 8: Packers at Bills - post game thread

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    1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

    I thought with everyone on the D line back healthy, we'd be able to stop that.  Obviously, that wasn't the case.

     

    I think we were treating it as a trap. They'd keep running the ball until we switched things up to tighten our D at the line, at which point they'd go over the top. Particularly considering we were leading for the most part, it made no sense risking large chunk plays to try and stop an approach which was doing us a favour in burning the clock with very little gain on the scoreboard.

    NFL Week 8: Packers at Bills - post game thread

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    1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

    Trying to only use point scored with the run game is a very deceiving stat though.

     

    If that was the case, every team the Bills play can say they gave up next to no points running.

     

    The run can setup the pass, so for people simply to claim "but they didn't score points running the ball" is completely disingenuous.

     

    The Bills rarely do either.

     

    At this stage I honestly think yesterday was just a bad day for missed tackles, for whatever reason. Maybe rustiness off the bye. Prior to it, our run defense has been much better this season. If we repeat that performance in quick succession then maybe it's something  to be concerned about but, for now, it was just one of those games where execution let us down - until it mattered.

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    Allen’s QBR last night was 83.6

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    6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

     

    I understand the bad throws happened in the 4th quarter; however, they literally did nothing other than preventing the team from winning by 20 points instead of 10 points. They had much less of an impact on the outcome of the game than all the good plays he had last night.

     

    But, if that is what some people want to focus on, then so be it.

     

    Yes, though if Crosby had converted the late FG attempt and they had then won the subsequent onside kick, or if we hadn't tipped Rodgers' pass straight after the first interception, then suddenly the gap closes or we may lose. Looking back, the bad plays didn't really matter. At the time they could have done, we could be sitting here discussing a narrow loss because of the turnovers. If he then makes those passes aagainst a team with a competent offense we could be in trouble too.

     

    Ifs, buts and maybes, I appreciate that and none of it came to pass. I think that's why it's being focused on though. I doubt we're hardly the fanbase to debate this though; can imagine how the Chiefs fans reacted after their loss to us and the Colts, where Mahomes didn't have the best of games.

    Allen’s QBR last night was 83.6

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    1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

     

    I don't know why it is being spoken about so much at all. It is not as if they happened with the game on the line, or at some critical point in the game, or if it was some kind of pattern with Allen. They literally happened with the team up by 17 points and on the opponent's side of the field. They didn't lead to scores by GB or a loss.

     

    He is having an MVP year. In the midst of all the MVP caliber plays he has displayed this year are probably 10-15 bad plays. It happens. You can find the same with Mahomes. Do you think Allen isn't aware of those bad plays?

     

    Why are you not talking about the beautifully thrown passes, escape from would be sacks, and great plays with his legs that led to a 27 -10 lead midway through the 3rd quarter that made those 3-4 bad plays in the 4th inconsquential?

     

    But that's what I'm trying to explain. I think it's the immediacy which is why it's being focused on. Switch the first and fourth quarters and I don't think people would be talking about it (I'm not the only one), or just saying in passing "He had a shaky start but..."

    4 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said:

    People shouldn't defend 13/25 with 2 TD/2 INT as a good game. He had a very good first half, an iffy 3rd quarter and a bad 4th quarter. 

     

    If his stat line ended up at 15/25 with 2 TD and 1 INT, it probably would qualify as a good game. But the overthrows in Q4 plus the 2 INTs say: stinker. So he needs to learn from it and move forward. As long as he is not injured, we'll do fine. 

     

    As I recall Aaron Rogers had a horrific game in Buffalo a few years back. Since then he won the MVP twice. It can happen to anyone. Sometimes Brady threw multiple picks too. It's why they play. Let's hope he gets it out of his system.

     

    I wouldn't say he had an iffy third quarter; thought he was decent. Maybe a slight downstep from the first half but I wouldn't say he was iffy.

    NFL Week 8: Packers at Bills - post game thread

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    Posted · Edited by UKBillFan

    33 minutes ago, Greg S said:

     

    He did play bad as did the offense in the second half. It happens. The most encouraging part about last night was the Bills still had a 3 score lead most of the way. GB got a meaningless TD to make the score look respectable, but they were never winning last night.

     

    I have said this myself before but, watching the game back, Josh wasn't bad in the second half. He was only bad in the fourth quarter. He was fine in the third; it was a penalty which screwed up the sole drive which resulted in it ending with a FG rather than TD.

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    Allen’s QBR last night was 83.6

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    Just now, billsfan1959 said:

     

    Are you honestly concerned about Josh Allen?

     

    Maybe concerned is the wrong word. I'm asking would it be being spoken about so much.

     

    From memory, I don't think Josh's struggles in the first half at Tampa were really discussed post game last year, because of how brilliant he was in the second half.

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    4 minutes ago, pocoboy said:

     

    Yeah I think there was a combination of 1) Allen starting to let the MVP talk work on him, and 2) the rest of the team putting it in Neutral and coasting. I don't think it's a good time to start hero ball when your receivers are too busy barbing it up with GBDB's to execute the kinds of routes they pull off in normal situations.

     

    They really need a slot option who is reliable. If they don't pick someone up before the deadline, I think that will be a Beane miss (unless they begin to employ Shakir as the primary slot receiver).

     

    I take my original post back - first three quarters decent, fourth quarter awful. And even then he did that nice dunk to Cook in the fourth.

    3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

    I said it earlier in the year too, Allen and the offense start playing too loose at times once they realize they are much better than their opponent. The dirt pass that turned into a pick I'll chalk up to a weird fluke, but the one he threw back across his body was just unnecessary at that moment in the game. Allen is the man and he know he's the man but he has to pick his spots. He knows better than that.

     

    I also feel like there are some games where you can tell the coaching staff has told him no more running. Did he run the ball once after halftime yesterday? When Allen is neutered like that the offense looks worse. I think if we had been playing the Chiefs he would have just run on that 3rd down where he threw his first interception. They should let him play his game.

     

    Yes - in the third quarter during the final scoring drive. It's as though they had a word between the third and fourth quarters.

     

    With the second interception I don't get why he didn't throw it out of the back of the end zone.

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    1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

     

    You want to see awful QB play? Go watch the Pats - Jets game. Allen wasn't close to being awful. He took the team to five straight scoring drives and 27 points through the middle of the 3rd quarter. He had 3-4 bad throws over two drives in the fourth that, in all honesty, only kept them from scoring 34-37 points - not put them in danger of losing the game. 

     

    He wasn't awful. He had 3-4 "awful" plays. There is a difference - and they weren't the first "awful" plays he has had this year. It happens.

     

    I think part of the issue is they happened back to back and in the fourth quarter. If they'd happened in the first quarter then Josh improved would people be so concerned? If one interception had happened in the first half, the second in the fourth quarter and the overthrow at some random point inbetween would there be such a reaction? I don't think so. It's because they basically happened one drive after another after another - as though he got stuck in a funk and couldn't get himself out of it mentally.

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    Posted · Edited by UKBillFan

    20 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

    3rd Quarter had 1 drive:

    FG 11 plays 56 yards 

     

    4th Quarter had 3 drives:

    INT 6 plays -4 yards

    INT 4 plays 41 yards

    Punt 12 plays 43 yards

     

    We had no problem moving the ball in the 2nd half. The "issues" on offense were solely a result of Allen's 2 picks. If those 2 picks don't occur, there is zero chance we are talking about how we played poorly in the 2nd half.

     

    True, though there were drops in those drives as well IIRC - Davis and Diggs? Without those perhaps the INT's wouldn't have happened. And then we had Davis' moronic penalty too. As well as the INT's there was the overthrow to Kumerow as well, which led to the punt.

     

    It does show that Josh was not actually awful in the second half; just the fourth quarter. The drive in the third quarter was decent from him.

    16 minutes ago, Process said:

    He was awful. Could care less what some made up nerd metric says. 

     

    Best QB in the NFL who had a bad game. It happens. Who cares. We won comfortably. And move on. 

     

    He was awful in one quarter; for three quarters he was fine.

    Are Bills fans expectations too high????

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    7 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said:

    I agree, they seemed to lose focus and discipline. Maybe the O was smelling blood and tried to pile up more points. 

     

    I think maybe some on the Packers D got under the skin of some of our offensive players. We wanted to stick it to them rather than keep to the plan and our struggles started at that point.

    Are Bills fans expectations too high????

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    If that was the Pats, Dolphins, Jets or even Chiefs playing the second half we'd be calling it out as trash and saying they're clearly not as good as they think they are, with a weak underbelly which can be exposed.

     

    We know we can do better. We know we can do better. It's good to have this kind of warning in week eight and not in the post season. I think the defense was adapting to the situation on the ground, and basically bending not breaking. My biggest concern is Josh's interceptions. It's not like they were down to great defensive plays or down to other errors on defense. They were basic errors that any QB would be called out over, let alone someone with the undoubted skill and talent Josh has.

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    NFL Week 8: Around the NFL - Post about Sunday games not including the Bills - open at 8:36 AM

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    19 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

     

    Maybe. Why do you assume the other team always is going to play their best game tho?

     

    It's like if the Bills play their C- game, the other team MUST play their A+ game?

     

    It doesn't work like that.


    In order to beat us, most teams will have to be at their best and us completely off colour for the entire game. Some won’t even be good enough then, but the 49ers would be.

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