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Just now, Believer said:
Wilson was the starter last year… The kid has game… He embarrassed McD’s defense.No he didn't, well not yesterday anyway.
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One thing I would say, and I could be way off, but Brady is 33 to Josh's 27 - there are only six years between them so I imagine there could be a risk of a sibling relationship rather than coach and employee if Brady's personality isn't strong enough to have the needed impact on Josh.
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1 minute ago, NoSaint said:
I’d be very curious to learn about that support system with McD calling plays now, and Dorsey upstairs.
what’s the infrastructure around Josh on the sideline?
I think 3rdand12 alluded to it, either on this or the "grow up" thread, but we barely see any support structure around him whenever the camera switches to the sidelines. It was a bit of a surprise to see Diggs speaking to him when the camera switched before overtime. Perhaps it was previously decided he needs to be left alone with his thoughts; if so, I feel this needs to be revisited. If need be, switch Brady and Dorsey - put Brady in the booth to watch for patterns on the field and relay them back to Dorsey, and have Dorsey beside Josh where he used to be.
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1 minute ago, PBF81 said:
We'll, you're asking the wrong person, I'm of the mind that one of McD's major coaching flaws is that he's not a good disciplinarian. He's to much of a "players coach.".
I think that can be seen with Milano's taunting call. That's inexcusable and pushed the offense back at the end of the half. An extra 15 yards and maybe they could have got a TD on the board before the break, and possibly settle Josh down rather than see him have a meltdown in the second half.
But different people react differently. Some require a dressing down, some need a gentle reminder. It's about getting it right for each player.
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10 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:
I am not sure why Josh was left with his own thoughts when struggling
Where is the tablet , where is the Coach working him , like a boxer between rounds. He is that type of Player.
this sounds weird possibly, but did he feel alone after his errors?
and felt he needed to make up for his first mistake ?
okay too weird
I definitely think he felt the need to make up for his first mistake, and that's an underlying problem with Josh. When he makes an error, he wants to make up for it but he presses too much in trying to amend the error, rather than accepting it and moving on.
Interestingly, listening to the Orlovsky interview on the Bills site, he says they need a "Get Josh settled down" section in the playbook. I think that's what Daboll was better at than Dorsey.
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2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:
I might suggest that Coaches Do Not lay into him as might be needed
I also suggest he needs his QB Coach on the sideline with him, or bring Dorsey down.
Josh needs a mentor when it gets ugly
Not Diggs in his ear
and not after the game so much
Why was Diggs doing the pick-me-up? It isn't a criticism of Diggs but where was Brady? When Daboll was OC, Dorsey was on the touchline with Josh.
I would like to see Dorsey back on the touchline on Sunday. Other OC's call plays from there.
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8 minutes ago, BillzFreak said:
But I have to think they have already taken that approach don't you?
I hope so, but there have been so many bizarre decisions being made by the coaches and players of late, I'm not sure how much common sense is being used at OP. It feels a bit of a cluster.... at the moment.
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4 minutes ago, SCBills said:
But this is a recurring theme.. We know he’s aware of what he needs to work on. He tells us all the time.
It keeps happening.
Then what's the point of telling him again unless there is an underlying "or else" threat added to it? He knows, they know, we all know what he should be doing, but he cannot marry up brain and body when in the the moment. That's what they need to try and fix. Just telling him not to do it won't cut it; it won't do anything.
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1 minute ago, Pirate Angel said:
Offseason options:
a) watch tape, work out, bust ass to get better
b) F#$% Hailey Steinfeld
which one would you chose?Well, in fairness...
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5 minutes ago, BillzFreak said:
No you don't surger coat it for him, you be honest and tell him it's unacceptable for him to play like that. He is an adult and he gets paid to play this game. It takes work, work and more work to make it to the NFL and even more work to stay in the NFL. So either he crumbles under that pressure to fix it or he works even harder to be better. I'm sorry I love Josh being the Qb for this team and will root for success every time he is out there, but it's on him to figure it out. Coaches can only do so much but eventually that whistle blows and players have to make the plays.
Coaches can help by taking the right approach with each individual player. For example, I reckon Diggs would relish a row if he has a bad game - be called awful, air home truths, get it all out and move on. Can't see that working with Josh.
I also thinks Josh KNOWS yesterday was unacceptable so the point of saying it to him is...? He's like Jekyl and Hyde - the Josh on the sidelines and off the field is different from the one on it.
Personally, I hope they sit him down, go through the film and say, what did you see, what were you thinking, what were you hoping to achieve, for both the good and bad. Push him to analyse and break down the game and take it from there.
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Just now, HurlyBurly51 said:
Wondering at what point they start questioning what affect getting paid has had on him. Some guys mail it in, are unfocused and/or unmotivated after getting that huge payday.
Orlovsky had a dig with the "$250m" comment so it's starting - and it was always going to.
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3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:
He responded pretty well to the bad press a few years ago. He’s not playing well, but I wouldn’t bury him just yet. Especially due to some negative media types.
I'm more concerned about how the coaches react. I imagine, a few years ago, it was the moment Daboll sat him down, showed him the great plays he did and reminded him he can do it to build his confidence back up. Is this what needs to be done now? Or will it just encourage him to keep pushing heroball?
ETA - Or if they go in strongly, will he just second guess himself further, start making more mistakes because he tries to trust the pocket when he shouldn't, or miss the big plays because he becomes too nervous to make them.
To me, it does feel like a crossroads for him and the coaching staff. Get this right and this season can be a great one. Get it wrong...
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1 minute ago, SCBills said:
He is getting ROCKED in the media today.
And it’s not criticism of his ability .. it’s questioning his focus and desire. Everyone acknowledges he’s as talented, maybe more talented, than anyone in the league … but the overwhelming commentary today is an annoyed refrain of “he doesn’t get it” and that’s a really wild narrative to see everywhere about a consensus elite QB.
…it’s also accurate.
And this adds to the coaching decisions at OP. Everywhere he looks, Josh is being shredded. I don't think he's the kind to deal with bad press well. I am seriously concerned about Sunday because of this, the added pressure and everyone lining up to have a pop, what it's going to do to him.
The coaches will be wanting to understandably lay into him about yesterday as well, but is that the right response considering the outside noise? What is the correct reaction? They have to get it right, otherwise the Bills could lose to the Raiders and the season, possibly even Josh himself, will be at risk of spiralling.
Am I being melodramatic? I don't think so. A lot of us have been saying the coaching team is part of the problem, as they don't know how to manage him. If this is an accurate assessment, then they may not react adequately to the issue.
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Just now, PBF81 said:
Age 27, sixth season in the league, presumably this talk happened at some point well before now.
If not, then coaching has to be quite seriously questioned.
It's difficult because what can you say to him? You're going to bench him? Trade him? Fine him? Possibly the latter. The other two options aren't truly there at the moment.
Yesterday does feel like a watershed moment. During previous games where he struggled, there have been excuses - particularly a poor O Line and dropped catches. Last night the O Line was ok and, as far as I can recall, no one dropped a catch. This is the first game where there is no mitigation. It is ALL on him. Where does he go from here? Does he bounce back or completely fall apart? Five days to find out.
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2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:
Fun is the parade after the Super Bowl. Every game until then is a battle. Having high expectations is a privilege.
But I think football comes easier to those who enjoy it, rather than feel pressure and tension. I definitely think Josh is not enjoying it at the moment; could be another reason he seemed to be seeking hits and heroball yesterday; to get the buzz back. He needs to find another way and fast.
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I think you can remove "season opening" from the thread title.
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1 minute ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:
Soft and fuzzies are his middle names! 😝
I have to wonder if any equipment is still working after yesterday!
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3 minutes ago, Returntoglory said:
Fitz has the mental acuity to do the job.
There's no reason for Josh to listen to him though. He'll be telling Josh not to do what he himself revelled in doing.
The only good thing would be perhaps Fitz could explain his regrets to Josh, and see if that has any impact.
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Just now, corta765 said:
lol Colts was a colossal implosion across the board that game was not just Josh.
Same could be said of Bengals in the 2022 post season, but Josh was still part of the problem.
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3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:
No he didn't. The game I was clearly referring to was the Saturday night match up that essentially won the division. In that game Allen was brilliant rescuing the Bills from a poor defensive performance that saw the Fish take a 29 - 21 4th quarter lead. Allen threw for 304 yards & 4 TD's and rushed for another 77 yards giving him 381 total yards and NO TO's.
And for crying out loud I wish the Allen haters would quit lying by omission when it comes to fumbles. The playoff game you're referring to Allen lost 1 fumble. Don't say he had 2 INT's and 3 fumbles when he lost only ONE. He had 3 TO's that's the honest and correct way to describe it.
Sorry, but have to correct you here. Billl quoted you when you said, "Allen had an overall good game against the Dolphins in the playoffs not great but solid if you go by the numbers.", so the game you're referring to is the Play Off game rather than Week 14, when he was excellent.
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Just now, Just Jack said:
A good reporter would have been recording it, so they can make sure anything they had to quote was correct.I assume the alleged comment was off the cuff, rather than part of an interview.
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Just now, Aimee75 said:
This is true, but Daboll flat out said he had to pull Allen aside, sit him down, make him watch videos of all the incredible plays he makes and remind him how special he is. He said Josh was borderline despondent. He could show a lot of tough love, but he was able to reel Josh back in and help him get his head straight.
Dorsey was in the quarterback room at the time so must know that might be needed at some point.
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Just now, KDIGGZ said:
Sir, this is a Wendy's drive-thru
Things haven't got THAT bad for Josh, have they?
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19 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:
I agree on the means of communication. I doubt there’s anyone there to tell him to pound salt. And that’s a problem.
All offseason I chalked up the Bengals to emotional exhaustion and some extraordinary events preceding the game. I don’t want to overreact based on one game, and I won’t. But I’m concerned that our QB is a benevolent, funny, kind, and yet reckless knucklehead who will never change his ways.
The thing I'm hanging onto is he did. The 2021 post season through to the first half of week eight of 2022 he looked everything we thought he could be based on his physical talent. And then things started to slip though, Bengals aside, never to yesterday's extent.
ETA - Actually, even against the Bengals he wasn't as bad as yesterday. At least he protected the ball; was only one TO if I recall correctly.
Do the Bills need a " Quarterback Whisperer?"
in The Stadium Wall
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Said it earlier elsewhere - the three leaders on offense (Dorsey, Josh and Diggs) are emotion first kind of guys. Where's the calming influence? To his credit, I do think Diggs was trying yesterday.