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44 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:
KC has made two impactful upgrades: Ingram and at RB.
We have done nothing to upgrade and lost Tre. So I'd give KC the advantage here.
C'mon the offensive line and running game are clearly better now.
That said, I completely disagree with the thread starter that the result will be the same. Ain't no way in hell we blow out the Chiefs again. We need to win this game 34-31 or so.
And let's hope the Bengals knock off the Titans, too. My heart can't handle back to back nailbiters. I want to host the AFCCG
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it's mostly 2s or 2.5s across the board. a lot of respect for the Bills
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revenge is for next year when we go back-to-back. this year, i just want the trophy
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it takes both for a beatdown that epic. we're clearly a better team since halftime of TB / Bates insertion, and new england clearly has struggled in recent weeks.
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way overthinking this if you believe playing Cincy at home is more difficult than KC on the road
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15 minutes ago, T master said:
Given the way KC's D has played it wouldn't surprise me given the fact that Ju Ju is coming back that Ben pulls one out of his hat to win but i'm actually hoping he doesn't so Josh can put a beat down on the Chiefs so there is no BS from their fan base that if we would have played the Bills we would have beat you & all that !
And we know that's how it would go from them so i hope the stars align to do just that & beat them in the play offs despite beating them during the season to show yes the Bills are the better of the 2 and dispel any excuses while on the way to a SB !!
GO BILLS !!
i'd rather just have the easier path. you know who wins smack talk wars? fans of teams who win the super bowl
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29 minutes ago, zow2 said:
A lot of KC fans are kind of dismissing the Steelers game later and thinking about next week. That’s bad karma. I felt that way about us in game #1 vs Pittsburgh.
very different situations. a whole offseason to cook up surprises vs season-long film on a team. plus teams in early season form vs late season form.
i personally can't even muster up the energy to root for Pittsburgh, i find them winning so unlikely. hopefully this is the jinx that is needed for them to win.
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Josh has 15 years or so left in his career, and it's obviously impossible that Daboll will be here for another 15, which means it's going to happen sooner or later. I'd like to keep him of course but no matter what, McDermott will have to hire a good OC eventually to replace him.
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It's projected to be very cold but is it projected to be windy? I'm seeing on weather.com that wind is expected to be 9mph. While the cold is far from ideal, wind is worse than cold for the passing game. We'll be able to pass if the stadium and lake effects don't kick that 9mph up.
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27 minutes ago, eball said:
I don't think most big-money bettors are sharps because that's not how you make money over the long run, but they do bet in syndicates which would result in a larger number of bets/$$. I do hear what you're saying but the line isn't really moving "backwards"...it started at -4 in some areas. Is it possible the sharps aren't really on this game at all?
Sharp involvement with the Pats is small but present, imo. The Big 3 market leaders of Pinnacle, Bookmaker/CRIS, and Circa all started at 4.5 and are at 4 now. (This, despite the public backing the Bills, as discussed).
But the team the sharps are really hammering are the Raiders so far, then the Eagles.
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6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:
So which way are the sharps going?
The Raiders, Eagles, and Patriots.
They will go 2-1, losing to the Bills.
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2 hours ago, eball said:
Well, those numbers have changed to 64% and 72%, so there are apparently a lot of dumb whales betting the Bills. I'm still curious as to why the line isn't moving in that direction.
Quite simply, it's because your method is not a reliable way to predict line movement. In fact, it will usually predict opposite of what is right. Would you be willing to share what odds screen you are looking at? For example, here's what I'm seeing:
You'll notice that the bigger money is all on the Bengals, Bills, and Bucs, and yet in all three cases, the line has moved towards the Raiders, Pats, and Eagles.
Why would that be? Well, the following quote explains where you're going wrong:
2 hours ago, eball said:Well, those numbers have changed to 64% and 72%, so there are apparently a lot of dumb whales betting the Bills.
You say that sarcastically but it's the actual truth! Would it be so surprising to believe that most of the big-money bettors are whales dropping $10,000+ on the favorites alongside regular Joe Sixpack and his $50 bets?
The flaw in your analysis is that you believe most big-money bettors are sharps. They're not, and that's why the lines are moving backwards from where you would predict them to move. The sharps are on the dogs, as they tend to be.
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1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:
Are you sure it actually moved down there and didn’t open at -3.5.? Everywhere I’ve looked it’s stayed the same and a random Sportsbook even had us at -6.5. Probably won’t move much until we get some injury reports…Barmore being out would be huge maybe it moved a little down when they announced his injury wasn’t ligament damage
which one? notice that I'm specific in my posts, e.g. Draft King has it as 3.5 right now.
The line was widely 4.5 yesterday and has moved down to 4.
3 hours ago, eball said:There’s really no need to be condescending. I’m very aware of how point spreads are determined and markers that trigger movement. As of right now 53% of the bets and 58% of the money is on Buffalo, which means there is a 5% money edge on the Bills at -4 (i.e., the bigger bets or “sharps” are on the Bills). Why hasn’t the line moved? Could be a number of reasons.
The line HAS moved, opposite of the direction you predicted. :-)
Sometimes explanation sounds like condescension, and like I said, maybe we should just stick to talking football. But if you or others are going to talk point spread, at least give good information. For example, why would you think the 53% vs 58% you mentioned would move the line? That difference isn't very large, but most importantly, you seem to assume that it has to be sharp action accounting for the difference. All it takes is one rich whale (for example, someone like Floyd Weather) to place a big bet and skew those numbers, especially since the difference is so small, and especially since the limits are low early in the week. Big bettors do NOT have to be sharp. Very often they are whales, especially in high-profile games like NFL playoff games.
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Oh look, the point spread has actually moved DOWN to 4 across the board now, including a 3.5 at sharp shop Heritage. So, looks like all the Bills fans in this thread were wrong about what direction the line would move.
I mean, who cares? We should just stick to talking about football, but IF people are going to chime in about point spreads and market movement, please know what you're talking about when you do. Thanks!
And to be clear, I think our Bills win comfortably and I will have a bet on Bills -3.5, but that is irrelevant to how the point spread will move in this game.
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23 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:
I’ve seen it -5.5 in some places already…could go even higher depending on barmore, Isaiah Wynn, and Duggar’s injury status. Barmore would be a huge loss for them
where?
i'm seeing 4.5 across the board. at the very least, all the major most popular books are at 4.5
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he's going to be immediately picked up by another team as head coach
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numbers do lie, and this is why you trust the eye test over nerdy stats. i like this team, it's very good, but it's not the best bills team ever.
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5 minutes ago, eball said:
I feel as though sharp bettors will like the Bills in this one...and if I'm right the line will move.
like I said, you don't have a good feel for this. the first time the Pats played at Buffalo, the closing line was 3 and you could get 2.5 at high-handle places like Cris and Circa. that means the line has already been adjusted off the very key number of 3 and through the key number of 4. there's no way this thing is moving higher.
to be clear, I think the Bills will win and cover, but my own personal opinion has nothing to do with how the market will move.
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6 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:
Pats, Steelers, Raiders...
6 hours ago, LeGOATski said:Yeah. I'm hoping for a Pats, Steelers, Bengals run.
sorry for the nitpick but I don't believe those paths are even possible... the NFL still reseeds after every round, right? so Titans would play the Steelers.
that's why getting the #1 seed is so powerful. you get a bye week AND your first opponent will likely be a wild-card team that upset a division winner in the first round.
13 minutes ago, eball said:Don’t sleep on the Steelers in KC. That defense could make it interesting.
yeah, they could lose 24-6 instead of 40-6. yawn.
6 minutes ago, eball said:The Belichick factor playing hard with the spread of only -4.5 in this game...that's a good opportunity right there. I expect that to move between 5-6.
that's just very unlikely. i don't think you have a good handle on point spreads
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we are probably better than a typical 4 seed because (a) we have a QB that can get hot and carry a team deep into the playoffs and (b) our point differential has been good, but beyond that, there are definitely going to be 3-4 other teams I'm more confident in going deeper than the Bills.
still, that's a way better situation than most.
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6 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:
But so far Allen has played 4 games in playoffs. Won both home games and lost both road games. So there is that.
Right. Even if Josh is better on the road than at home, if his teammates are better at home than on the road, and the opposing team is better at home than on the road (both typically true), then it's still better to be at home.
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the bills would still have to win three more games to win the super bowl. my only fear would be that belichick comes up with a great gameplan that can be mimicked by other opponents even if the bills beat new england.
other than that possibility, i wouldn't be that concerned.
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16 hours ago, That's No Moon said:
link?
ha, get your own nfl db (might have to purchase) and learn sql
5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:It’s a big number. But I think they may be running for the bus more on Sunday night in Buffalo then they were yesterday afternoon at home. They’ve played much better at home this year than on the road and the Bucs looked like they were sleepwalking, didn’t seem to put a lot into that game. Rookie Qb with a bad team hours from their off-season vs this bills D in OP and a team very motivated to win the division could be ugly.
that's exactly right. the team that played the Bucs tough on Sunday isn't the team that will show up in Buffalo. bad teams that lose a heartbreaker at home are very unlikely to show up on the road the next week, especially in the last game of the season. the jets are already thinking about the beaches in Costa Rica or wherever.
but obviously the bills can't think this way. we should respect the opponent and come prepared and amped up to win the division. i don't expect that will be a problem.
Predict the score BILLS - KC
in The Stadium Wall
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Bills 34-31. I piss and shart my pants but end the game with a stinky smile.