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  1. 5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

     

     

    Jeudy's catch rate last year was 62.1% while Moore's was 59.8%. That difference on the number of catches Moore had is statistically insignificant. It's basically a two-catch difference over the course of a season.

     

    Same for the team catch percentage, which was 62.3%, again not significant. And that includes all team receptions, including RBs and TEs, who generally catch at higher rates because they're getting easier passes. Looking at WRs only, Moore was 2nd highest on the team among WRs with more than three targets. Moore's longest catch that year was 44 yards, and only Jeudy had a longer one among all pass catchers on that team.

     

    In 2023 the team catch percentage for all positions was 59.5% while Moore's was 56.7%, and he had the 2nd highest catch % on the team that year, second to David Bell at 60.9% on 14 catches, though Amari Cooper was at 56.3% and he was targeted with much longer Y/A than was Moore. Moore's longest was 42 yards.

     

    This is his fifth year and his longest catch each year was 62, 42, 42, 44 and this year 31 so far. He's been targeted long before, with some success as the consistency of long plays shows.

     

    In his second year, with the Jets, catching passes from Zach Wilson, Flacco and Mike White he had the highest catch % among WRs with ten catches or more, ahead of rookie Garrett Wilson by less than 1%.

     

     

    As a rookie, Crowder and Berrios were way ahead of everyone else in catch %, while the rest of those with ten catches or more were all within 3% of each other.

     

    Here's his rookie highlights. If I've counted correctly there are 7 plays of 20 yards or more, including 5 with more than 20 air yards.

     

     

    Here's last year from Cleveland. Four plays over 20, including two with over 20 air yards, including a beautiful long TD caught deep in the corner of the end zone that went about 35 yards in the air.

     

    You don't see him doing pure bombs. But he does do long routes. Effectively.

     

    Ick. You made me look at Cleveland and Jets numbers.

     

     

     

     

     

    Ok thanks. I was definitely wrong about the his catch rate last uear -- relied on AI and it gave me 50%.  

     

     

  2. 5 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

     

    Jeudy is currently rocking a 40.7% catch rate with cleveland this year.  QB does matter when it comes to catch %.  

     

    Team Comp% where Moore has played in his career:

     

    Jets 2021 - 59.2% - 29th in the league

    Jets 2022 - 56.9% - 32nd in the league

    Browns 2023 - 56.9% - 32nd in the league

    Browns 2024 - 59.8%- 31st in the league

     

    Now having said all that - and having seen him play - I'm not a big fan.  Him and Samuel are the only guys bringing vertical speed to the equation at the moment though, so at some point they may need to ramp up his snaps a bit - especially with Samuel being notoriously unavailable.  

     

    However, except for 2023 his catch rate was significantly lower than team average.   As an apple to apples comparison, Jeudy (obviously a much better WR) had a catch rate of 63% last year while averaging 13 yards per catch versus Moore's 8.8.   If you are only getting 8.8 yards per reception your catch rate should be almost RB level.

     

    I question why  people feel that Brady should call some deep shots for Elijah Moore when Moore has no history of any success doing that.  The guy has 9 receiving TDs in 4.5 years,  more than half of which occurred in a 6 week period at the end of his rookie season.

     

     

     

     

  3. 8 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

    Elijah Moore averaged 60 receptions for the last two seasons with QB’s in Cleveland.  For him not to have really any production here is weird.  
     

    He gets open.  He has speed.  He has good hands.

     

    I think Brady overthinks and doesn’t take the obvious.
     

    Palmer and Moore should have good production in this offense.  

     

    Elijah Moore also had a 51% catch rate for Cleveland last year, by far the worse on the team.  It wasn't because he was being targeted deep.  He only averaged 8.8 yards per catch.

     

    There's a reason the Browns made no effort to keep him.

  4. 4 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

    He's 10x better than Babich, but at the end of the day his passive defensive scheme got shredded in the playoffs year after year 

     

    I don't think Frazier got much credit from the fans even for the regular season defense.   It was typically assumed that it was mostly McDermott.

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  5. 6 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

    Bad teams commit more penalties.  Bad teams are ignored by the media.

     

    For 17 years all we heard was there was a conspiracy against the Bills by the NFL, the refs and the media.  

     

    Hmmm....Josh Allen arrived and nobody is screaming about the media or ref bias anymore...

     

    That's not true.  There's still a lot of screaming about anti-Bills refereeing and especially about perceived anti-Allen bias. It's just more irrational than before.

  6. 10 minutes ago, ***** said:

    I’m guessing these owners use the equity of these teams as a piggy bank and can borrow against them for cash.  I bet 5 years ago lots of them took out loans in the 2% range and now they are looking like 7-8% range and perhaps have to sell parts off rather than take on those rates.  Could be an NFL rules thing? Idk. 

     

    Yes, in 2024 they changed the rules to let private equity own 10 per cent of a team.  That is the reason for the spate of sales of minority shares in teams.

     

  7. 47 minutes ago, Pete said:

    That was on Reddit.  I’ve read NY Post Newspapers with articles about Kelvin stealing food.  They were having a field day lambasting Fat and Lazy WR.

    ”Too many trips to cafeteria” was a common complaint

     

    Just because it is on Reddit doesn't mean it is true.   If this was a true story you would find it from multiple outlets -- not one Reddit story and a YouTube video.

     

    Based on that last sentence in the story "Eating food off of other people's plates is considered a serious offense in the United States, and Benjamin could face up to 10 years in prison if convicted."  I am pretty confident it is fake.

     

     

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  8. 52 minutes ago, Pete said:

    May 2, 2022, 10:58 a.m. ET

    Katherine Fung

    Kelvin Benjamin, former wide receiver for the Carolina Panthers, was arrested on Tuesday after he was caught eating food off of other diner's plates at a Golden Corral restaurant in Charlotte, North Carolina.

    Benjamin, who is 6'5" and weighs 305 pounds, was reportedly sweating profusely when he entered the restaurant and was immediately denied service by the hostess.

    "We were all full and there was a wait, so I told him he would have to come back another time," the hostess, who wished to remain anonymous, said.

    "He got really mad and started yelling at me. I told him to leave and he did, but then he came back in and started taking food off of other people's plates."

    Several diners attempted to stop Benjamin, but he was apparently too strong for them.

    "He just kept eating and saying, 'I'm starving, I'm starving,'" one witness said.

    "It was like he didn't even care that he was getting arrested."

    Benjamin was eventually subdued by police and was taken into custody. He has been charged with trespassing and theft of services.

    It is unclear why Benjamin was so hungry, but his sweatiness may have been a factor.

    "He was just drenched, like he had run a marathon," the witness said.

    "I don't know if he was sick or what, but he was really sweaty."

    Benjamin has a history of problems with food. In 2016, he was criticized for being overweight and out of shape.

    And in 2017, he was caught on camera eating ribs on the sidelines of a Panthers game.

    This is not the first time a professional athlete has been arrested for stealing food. In 2015, former NBA player Charlie Villanueva was arrested for stealing a slice of pizza from a New York City restaurant.

    Eating food off of other people's plates is considered a serious offense in the United States, and Benjamin could face up to 10 years in prison if convicted.

     

    This is just the rest of what is on Reddit. Is there a link to the original story? 

     

    AI says he has not been arrested as a adult.  I am going to guess this story is also fake.

     

  9. 5 hours ago, Pete said:

    NYTimes: Kelvin Benjamin arrested after stealing food from diner's plates 

    New York Times

    May 2, 2022, 10:58 a.m. ET

    Katherine Fung

    Kelvin Benjamin, former wide receiver for the Carolina Panthers, was arrested on Tuesday after he was caught eating food off of other diner's plates at a Golden Corral restaurant in Charlotte, North Carolina.

     

    Is this real?  The only thing I can find on google is a reddit story that claims this yet there is no link to the New York Times article that they supposedly Instead there are boken links to the Washington Post and USA articles.  I am going to guess it is made up.

     

    In any case, the Gentleman story was entirely made up since it was broken by Wesley Steinberg which clearly a parody account.

     

  10. 1 hour ago, Ray Stonada said:

     

    If you think Baker Mayfield is as good as Kelly then I think your judgment is clouded indeed.

     

    Agree.  Also O'Brien >> Darnold and Eason >> Rudolph

     

    O'Brien was really good for a four year stretch including being AFC player of the year in 1985. Eason was the QB when the Pats got killed by the Bears in the Super Bowl. 

     

    Darnold would need another three years like last year to get to O'Brien level.  Eason wasn't very good but at least he started in 51 games while Rudolph is most likely a career backup.

     

     

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  11. 29 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

    I believe the brouhaha was when Gettleman chased him all around the Giants' facility, over Benjamin making too many trips through the cafeteria line.  That's when I began referring to him as 'Lunch Lady Gettleman'.

     

    It was a fake story by Wesley Steinberg who specializes parody NFL stories after Benjamin was cut. Everybody retweeted anyways without bothering to check so it is pretty much an established "fact" now. 

     

    Here is the AI summary of why Benjamin was actually cut:

     

    Date: The release occurred on Wednesday, July 28, 2021. 

     

    Reason: The core of the issue was a disagreement over weight. 

     

    Incident: Benjamin had a visible discussion with Judge and Gettleman before walking off the field during the first training camp practice. 

     

    Weight Discrepancy: Benjamin was informed he needed to cut down to 251 pounds but reportedly arrived at camp weighing 268 pounds, despite passing the conditioning test. 

     

     

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  12. The Bills won two very close games and lost a game the last four times they were favored by more than 10 points. 

     

    Every time there's a thread about how they can't see when the next lost is going to come the Bills immediately go into a spiral.  It's just bad juju.

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  13. 4 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

     

     

    I believe you guys aren't familiar with the rule.

     

    The call according to Referee John Hussey was "illegal touching" (of a forward pass).

     

    Article 8. Illegal Touching Of A Forward Pass:

    It is a foul for illegal touching if a forward pass (legal or illegal) thrown from behind the line of scrimmage:is first touched intentionally or is caught by an originally ineligible offensive player. If such a pass is caught, it is a live ball; (Penalty: Loss of five yards at the previous spot).

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    It is a foul for illegal touching if a forward pass (legal or illegal) first touches or is caught by an eligible offensive receiver who has gone out of bounds, either of his own volition or by being legally forced out of bounds and has reestablished himself inbounds. If such a pass is caught, it is a live ball.

    (Penalty: Loss of down at the previous spot).

     

    To me this invalidates 2 points that are the basis for arguing that it was an error in officiating:

    • That he was forced out of bounds by the defender... it doesn't matter.
    • That he re-established himself inbounds. Again it doesn't matter... according to the letter of the law, he cannot be the first person to touch the ball when he gets back inbounds.

     

     

     

    Obvious newbie.  Trying to include facts in an internet dicussions instead of just emotions and opinions.  You'll never win an argument that way!

     

     

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  14. 51 minutes ago, SoTier said:

     

    I only went back to 2018, but the Jests tradition of picking busts goes back decades. 

    Yeah, the Christian Hackenberg pick in 2016 was WTF from the moment it was made.  You are doing pretty badly when you have two second round picks within 4 years play zero snaps for your team.

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  15. 7 minutes ago, gomper said:

    I'm as left of center as the come. Bernie and AOC don't go far enough, and even I think this is ridiculous. No wonder why we keep losing elections focusing on the wrong thing. Not to be too political, but here's a thought for the morons who run the DNC, economic populism. Focus on something people actually care about. 

     

    They don't have any example of people being offended.   It a case of people being offended by people being offended.

  16. 2 hours ago, djp14150 said:

    Those usually are early pre-season right before or right after game 1 of pre sesson

     

    Right.  Some people thought Jalen Virgil was a courtesy cut.

     

    Forget about it -- he was actually released with an injury designation.

     

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