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Burrow still had never thrown 300 yd and 1TD in the playoffs. More difficult to win when he's not handing the ball off all day.
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8 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:
At 6'8 he'd get destroyed as a Guard with bull rushers and guys getting under his pads.
Tall guys can play guard. Landon Dickerson on the Eagles in 6-6 and he's a pro bowler. But yes it could be a challenge for him possibly. He's a turnstile at RT right now though. What he does well and bad suits him for guard moreso than tackle.
Other solution is adding competition and potential cutting him.
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On 1/28/2023 at 11:15 AM, oldmanfan said:
I’ve been frustrated as many have by the defensive issues seen in the post seasons the past 4 years. I know McD learned at the feet of Jim Johnson, the famed DC for the Eagles. So I went back and reviewed some of Johnson’s philosophies.
Like our current D, Johnson believed in making offenses take their time getting downfield, believing that opened up more chances for the opposing offense to make mistakes. But once past the 50 yard line, then Johnson would get aggressive. He was a big believer in zone blitz schemes, was probably the inventor of it. He had very creative blitz calls, would sometimes send two corners out of the blue. He’d move guys around on the line to create mismatches. And his D always ranked near or at the top, despite personnel changes every year.
So I’m wondering why McD’s team has strayed so far away from his mentor’s philosophy. We rarely see creative blitz packages. We rarely move personnel around to creat mismatches; we just play the same 4 man rush and it hasn’t worked in the playoffs. Our defense is passive; Johnson attacked.
I wonder if McD has acceded to Frazier’s philosophy. If so, then a good reason to let Frazier go and get back to his mentor’s concepts. I don’t see us winning the Lombardi unless we change our defensive philosophy.
McD tried to take over Johnsons defense and was promptly fired after only 2 years by Andy Reid. He was universally hated as DC in Philly and his play calling cost them some bad losses.
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He's absolutely horrible against edge rushers. He's so stinking slow off the snap, he's over his head.
Strong as hell and nasty, he might fit better inside at guard, but he needs to be quicker both physically and mentally to be RT.
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Both these teams are so much better coached both offensively and defensively than the Bills despite our defensive head coach too.
We are in serious trouble.
McDermott brings absolutely nothing to the table in terms of scheme or gameplanning. We have gone backwards. Need a coaching change before we need to scrap everything and start over, ownership going to waste the prime of Josh Allen.
Beane bring tied in tight with McDermott is a serious issue because there's now zero accountability between the two.
This team is dead in the water as long as McD is here.
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On 1/25/2023 at 9:47 PM, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:
Yes a runner up to the 1st team, I never said that wasn't the case. But there's a 2nd team also. They are still All-Pros, they're just not 1st team All-Pros.
While I did not provide that link, I did look at it. Earlier you referred to the 2nd team All-Pros as "alternates", it states that there are no alternates in the All-Pro selection process. Therefore they're All-Pros.
But hey, be the only person to think that way. You and your little book.😂😂
It's not my little book, it's the official NFL Records.
Admit it, you think the earth is flat and Damar is a clone.
Some people are helpless. No matter if you or official records in front of them and everything. Pretty funny though, pounding your chest over a runner up the league doesn't even recognize.
I wonder if you consider the Bills 4x super bowl Champs because they were runner ups.
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18 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:
Yup. Meanwhile teams, coaches, sportscasters, the players and media themselves all call them All-Pro players. You are the first person I've come across in 45 years of following football that doesn't. If they're All-Pro players to them, you know everyone involved in football and covers football, then they're All-Pro players. Micah Hyde is clearly referred to as an All-Pro Safety, that's been proven.
2nd team is a runner up bud, it means NOTHING. Zip. Just like MVP "finalist". Even on pro football reference he has no all pro badge at the top. There is only 1 all pro at each position for each of the 3 media publications.
Literally provided you the official NFL Records from the NFL itself.
FYI FROM YOUR OWN WIKI YOU (OR SOMEONE) PREVIOUSLY POSTED:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Pro
"The first team consists of the top one or two players at each position; the second team consists of the runners-up at each position."
Some people just can't be helped. Good day.
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4 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:
Just because he's not listed in your little handy dandy fact book means he's not an All-Pro. You do find him listed as an All-Pro everywhere else that lists All-Pro players for 2021. The original source you tried to use( Pro Football Reference) must meet your standards or else you wouldn't have used it. Scroll down to the safties and you'll find him listed as an All-Pro.
He's also mentioned in countess articles, from numerous sources, videos and during NFL games and every single one has him as an All-Pro. I provided 4 previously and that was just the first few I found. Just because your little book only mentions 1st teamers doesn't mean 2nd team All-Pros aren't All-Pros. I also found a few articles that state there are no alternates in the All-Pro selection, alternates are only found in Pro Bowl selections.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/allpro.htm
It's not my little handy book is the official nfl records lmao.
You're a lost cause. Facts and official documents ignore them all and live in ignorance good luck.
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They have done a good job with some talent development, but not with others. It's a mixed bag but recently not for the better. Tre was an amazing pick and development, Rouseau I like a lot, Milano excellent, Taron Johnson solid... but between Oliver, Basham, Epenesa, Edmunds, Bernard, just bad job especially Oliver so overrated by this board sometimes dude is merely just another guy low impact undersized DT. Elam has little impact but too early to call. Wallace was solid when he was here.
The last 4 drafts have been pretty bad though, aside from Allen obviously. A guy here or there but very few impact our reliable guys.
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32 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:
Nope, that's not what it means and all you did was provide more wrong information and opinions per usual. He's a x2 All-Pro, it is mentioned everywhere that he's an All-Pro and from the looks of it everyone here disagrees with you also.
Instead of owning up to the bad information you provided, like a man would, you doubled down on it. But I wouldn't expect any different you. You come on here and rip the team and other posters who don't agree with you, but can't own up to a mistake you made, good job.
Yeah, it's mentioned everywhere you look that he was a All-Pro alternate.😂 I've never heard that before in the 45 years I've watched football. Lol, now I've heard of everything. Art Vandalay making up his own reality. 😂🤣😂🤣
Lmao you can't be serious, I've provided the information several times, your density and stubbornness to acknowledge basic facts is incredible.
https://www.sportscasting.com/what-is-the-difference-between-being-an-nfl-all-pro-and-pro-bowler/
QuoteWhile making the Pro Bowl is considered an honor, making the NFL’s All-Pro teams are more prestigious. Unlike the Pro Bowl, which fans count for one-third of the vote and is often a popularity contest, members of the media select the All-Pro teams.
In 2020, those media organizations include the Associated Press (AP), Pro Football Writers of America (PFWA), and Sporting News (SN). Any player selected to the first-team of any of the teams is considered an “All-Pro” and included in the NFL Record and Fact Book.
"First team" are the only "All Pros"... anything else is just a media runner up that never gets recorded in NFL History/Fact Book.
FURTHERMORE, here is a link to the 2022 NFL Record and Fact Book (for the 2021 season), which Hyde is quite clearly not an All-Pro because he wasn't, 2nd team is nothing more than a runner up recognition and nothing more
https://operations.nfl.com/updates/the-game/2022-nfl-record-and-fact-book/
Literally putting everything on a platter here for you including the OFFICIAL NFL RECORD AND FACT BOOK for the season showing you such.
"2nd team" is nothing more than a runner up recognition, it means nothing. It is not "All Pro".
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11 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:
Did every team watch their teammate get resuscitated on the field and need their head coach to lead them through that?By lead the team you mean not show up the rest of the year? Escape NE with 2 kick returns, escape Skylar Thompson by the skin of your teeth, get destroyed by Cinci?
The team crumbled in the fallout from Damar.
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My best Beane impersonation:
Draft some undersized lunch pail guys, sign a couple dudes from the Panthers, tell the players to execute better, defend coaching and myself from any criticism with no accountability.
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51 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Lmao wikipedia.
Dude i already provided links to another poster, Google it.
https://www.sportscasting.com/what-is-the-difference-between-being-an-nfl-all-pro-and-pro-bowler/
QuoteWho makes the All-Pro team?
While making the Pro Bowl is considered an honor, making the NFL’s All-Pro teams are more prestigious. Unlike the Pro Bowl, which fans count for one-third of the vote and is often a popularity contest, members of the media select the All-Pro teams.
In 2020, those media organizations include the Associated Press (AP), Pro Football Writers of America (PFWA), and Sporting News (SN). Any player selected to the first-team of any of the teams is considered an “All-Pro” and included in the NFL Record and Fact Book.
"First team" are the only "All Pros"... anything else is just a media runner up that never gets recorded in NFL History/Fact Book.
FURTHERMORE, here is a link to the 2022 NFL Record and Fact Book (for the 2021 season), which Hyde is quite clearly not an All-Pro because he wasn't, 2nd team is nothing more than a runner up recognition and nothing more
https://operations.nfl.com/updates/the-game/2022-nfl-record-and-fact-book/
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2 hours ago, Gugny said:
Brock Purdy is a 7th round pick, third string rookie who has helped lead his team to the Final Four. Jalen Hurts is in his third year as a starter after being a 2nd round pick.
I'm not taking anything away from what Siriani has done with Hurts/the Eagles. I just think what Shanahan has done is far more remarkable.
I hear you, Purdy has played half the year and that is impressive, they also acquired CMC as well so their talent between WR, TE, RB, and defense can't really get any better.
Siriani has Hurts playing at an MVP level and #1 seed best record in the NFL... Shanahan has Purdy playing very good and clinched #2 seed...
I can see both, i give the nod to the higher level of excellence.
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25 minutes ago, Roundybout said:
“These coaches were bad after a while therefore McD is bad” is a fallacy.
Sure, which is why I think Pederson deserves it the most for turning around the Jags like that.That wasn't the point of illustrating those coaches. The intention was being a finalist for COTY doesn't mean you are a Chamionship caliber coach. This team was the preseason super bowl favorite and fell way short again, directly from coaching, again.
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Just now, Roundybout said:
That team is stupid stacked with talent though.The 49ers aren't?
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13 minutes ago, Gugny said:
Shanahan, hands down. It should be unanimous.
Siriani. What he did with Jalen Hurts is incredible. Before the year it was questioned if they should move on from him, now prior call him a superstar. The growth of Hurts has been incredible.
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24 minutes ago, Roundybout said:
But please, let’s fire him.Dick Jauron was coach of the year in 2001 with a 13-3 record.
Marty Schottenheimer in 2004.
Marvin Lewis in 2009.
Lovie Smith in 2005.
Those were winners, not finalists.
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3 minutes ago, arcane said:
Second team all pro is still an all pro distinction. Otherwise it wouldn't be called anything. They are more right than you are.
It's not All Pro distinction, which is why they don't receive the badge for it on the link provided, and it is NOT included in the official NFL Record and Fact Book, only first team is. It is a runner up award from the press, not an official distinction. Google it.
QuoteWho makes the All-Pro team?
While making the Pro Bowl is considered an honor, making the NFL’s All-Pro teams are more prestigious. Unlike the Pro Bowl, which fans count for one-third of the vote and is often a popularity contest, members of the media select the All-Pro teams.
In 2020, those media organizations include the Associated Press (AP), Pro Football Writers of America (PFWA), and Sporting News (SN). Any player selected to the first-team of any of the teams is considered an “All-Pro” and included in the NFL Record and Fact Book.
https://www.sportscasting.com/what-is-the-difference-between-being-an-nfl-all-pro-and-pro-bowler/
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9 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:
Not embarrassing to me. Your info is wrong. I mean how many sources do you want......
https://buffalowdown.com/2022/01/14/buffalo-bills-jordan-poyer-micah-hyde-all-pro/
https://www.buffalobills.com/video/jordan-poyer-and-micah-hyde-earn-all-pro-honors
https://billswire.usatoday.com/2022/01/14/buffalo-bills-micah-hyde-second-team-all-pro/
Bro, that's 2ND TEAM meaning he was a RUNNER UP... this is like saying Pro Bowl alternates are pro bowlers or MVP Runner Ups are MVPs
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8 hours ago, FireChans said:Your link even says he was AP-2 in 17 and 21.
That means 2nd team, as in runner up lmao... they put the badges on the top for pro bowl and all pro, hence why he doesn't have one.
This would be like claiming pro bowl alternates are pro bowlers or mvp runner ups are MVPs lmao
8 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:Umm Hyde is 2nd team All Pro 2x (2017, 2021) and PB 1x (2017)
2nd team = runner up...
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2 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:
😂 I stopped reading once you said Hyde had never been an All-Pro. Hmm was just selected as an All-Pro last year, for only the 2nd time(2017) in his career! Also Hyde is already medically cleared, he said so just the other day, he would've played this week had we won.
As for Von, he was walking without crutches or a knee brace right after surgery and was going up and down stair within a week. He's already came out and said he'll be ready for week 1 and that this ACL surgery wasn't as bad as the 1st one because all the painful stuff, such as drilling holes in bone, they were able to reuse from the 1st surgery which creates a quicker recovery timeline.
All this wrong in just the first two paragraphs I read. Didn’t mean to interrupt you, please continue spouting more of your garbage.😂😂
How embarrassing this is. Hyde has never been All Pro, he made the Pro Bowl once.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HydeMi00.htm
No idea what your point about Von is. He's going to be 34 years old next year, if you think he's going to return to full firm you're kidding yourself, he's already not the player he used to be. He's great sure, but guys don't get faster and healthier in their mid 30s, let alone banking on all 3 to do it.
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7 hours ago, uticaclub said:
Jets win the division with a QB
With that trade Bills win with an offensive coach like Payton.
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46 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:
If Hyde, Miller, Poyer & White are healthy, you don't think we can compete with Cincy?
Name me a team that can be down 2 former All-Pros, have 2 more All-Pros playing nowhere near 100%, lose a backup(Hamlin) to one of the All-Pros, be down another starter(Jones) and have another playing with only one arm and compete with an offense as good as the Bengals. Those 4 All-Pro players have 12 All-Pro selections between them including a handful of 1st team honors. 4 out of our top 5(Milano is the 5th) players on defense were either out or really limited. We did what any team would've done in that situation, we got spanked by 1 of the best QBs and WR trios in the league.
Correct, just saying it happens from time to time.
Injuries are par for the course for aging players in their early/mid-30s... another year older another step lost as well... if your strategy is for guys in their 30s to return to health and form you are setting yourself up for failure.
Hyde has never been all pro, he made the pro bowl once. Poyer did it (AP) the first time this year and was playing.
White was back and playing how long are you going to claim he's injured doesn't count, it's been more than enough time to recover from his injury, plenty of NFL players do it.
The Bengals were missing 3 of 5 starting linemen, all great players, then a 4th injured mid game. Their line was tattered. Our defensive guru head coach couldnt take advantage the least bit. We played soft zone giving up everything underneath in the snow and then got run the hell over. Meanwhile we've invested an absurd amount of draft stock and free agency in our defensive line and got couldn't tell.
In the time the Bills made the playoffs with Allen 4 years ago the Bengals had a 1 win season, drafted Burrow, he blew his knee out abs had surgery, went to a super bowl, then embarrassed our defensive guru coach in the playoffs, who folds in the playoffs every year.
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5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:
Brandon & Sean are the kings of deflection.
Zero accountability at the leadership level.
Final Pro Football Focus Oline Season Grades
in The Stadium Wall
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That requires the opposing coaches having zero pass rush scheme. It's an indictment on the Bills coaching not that the Bengals played well. Chiefs dominated the Bengals line tonight with scheme. Exactly what toy want to do with a line that has never played together and poor communication.