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Just now, SoCal Deek said:
I’ve told you what I’m doing. I’m going about living my life as an example of what’s right, and trying to vote for people who I think will do the same. I’m not questioning your motives in the slightest....in fact I love your passion! I would suggest, if you’ll allow me, to critique your strategy. Yelling at people to get something done, rarely ends up with that something getting done....I know because I’ve tried.
Racism isn't a new problem. I dunno about you, but I've done plenty of sweet talking to racists to gently get them to understand. Have you ever seen that work?
Nobody is going to admit they are wrong to me. Nobody ever admits they're wrong. It's an American trait. We're always right. Always. And if we seem contradictory, that's just fake news.
But, it's like the acceptance of gay marriage. People were very homophobic in public. Now, quite a bit less. Racism is more deeply ingrained into America than that. Over the generations, the racism has shrunk, a bit. But again if someone thinks the level of racism, the degree to which racism infects every part of American society, if they think it's at an acceptable level, then that person's character is not worthy of respect. They should know.
So, nobody is going to say "Gee I see things differently, thanks so much" — not to me, or to anybody. Nobody in America has ever earnestly said that to anybody in a political discussion. Instead, if a view changes, you'll simply see a change in their behavior later over time. And they'll just act like they ALWAYS thought that. That's fine too.
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5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
We were getting somewhere and then here we go again. You apparently skipped right over the part about lawmakers. You didn’t want to go there? It’s just easier to blame the police you can see, than the lawmakers who sit laughing at you from their security guarded offices?
What did I skip? We have at least some agreement that laws are and have been racist. What else should we talk about? Which laws are more racist? I gave you some pretty good examples. What are you supplying this conversation?
It seems like the easy opinion here is that the police have no culpability in this. You told me police are like robots. That's where we're at with it.
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5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
Greg, my life isn’t in ruins, and neither is yours. But there’s still time to change your outlook. May I suggest that your current strategy to ‘root out racism’ isn’t off to a really good start. Calling out people you’ve never met and will never know as horrible hate filled oppressive white folk is a pretty poor plan. That’s if you’re hoping to “be the change” you say you want so badly to see. And for the record....my ‘pair’ are just fine.
I'm not here to change hearts and minds, though that would be ideal. My main purpose is just to make sure that racists — do you deny the presence of racism on this board? — know they're hated.
Why is racism acceptable to you, is my question? You're chill about this whole thing. You think I'm way over the line. What should I do to chill out about racism, as you have?
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1 minute ago, LB3 said:
I've noticed most of the new guys coming in lately disable their recent visitors section. Odd thing for new guys to do.
It must be the default. I don't think I have adjusted my profile.
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1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:
So now I have white privilege and because I’ve done nothing to remove that privilege that automatically make me a racist? Your logic still sucks.
Wait......ball licker??? Who used that term a lot here. Can it be???
And when you’ve lost you cover your ears “la la la la la I can’t hear you”
Good riddance.
Your question is close.
You have White Privilege as a fact. There's nothing you can do to "remove" that privilege. As long as you are White, you will have that Privilege. What makes you racist is that instead of using that privilege against racism, you are using it in support of racism.
To be clear, this is no admission of "loss" in the sense that you are "correct" and have "beaten me with logic." Our exchanges should show you that not to be the case; you've tried a lot of points and they've all been refuted. A lot of questions that have been answered. What I am is giving up on is your capacity to learn for now.
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4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:
I don't think that the conclusion of more cops causes more crime is correct, but on exhibit A we generally agree from a couple angles. Sentencing disparity for crack vs powder cocaine shouldn't really exist. And if I get a ticket for going 65 in a 55, and on my way to court the road is now 65 the ticket should be dropped.
On exhibit b, absolutely. Bloomberg is a racist and he admitted as much when discussing stop and frisk. F that guy.
When you have more cops, they need to justify their jobs. They need to justify the salary increases. They need to justify the budget increases.
More crime results. And Stop and Frisk is the perfect example. Cops will find crime. It's what they do. But a lot of what has been considered "criminal" in effect is just "being black in public." Which is just the modern continuation of Jim Crow. It's all in a continuum. This never actually ended, it's just changed shape and taken different forms.
Also, agreed on ***** Bloomberg but I don't know if I'm giving him credit that he admitted it was racist. Maybe he did. My recollection off-hand was that it was a mealy-mouthed apology with a lot of passive language and dodging any actual responsibility and didn't offer any corrective actions. I could be misremembering his statements on it.
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Just now, SoCal Deek said:
Greg, racists didn’t ruin your life. Your life may not be what you’d hope it would be (many people’s lives are not) but each new day brings an opportunity to live your life as an example of good. Our lives cannot be ruined by others...only we can do that. With the greatest of sincere respect may I suggest you find a really good church and dig deep into the message of salvation? If you sit quietly, study and listen for the voice of God, I’m confident that you’ll find the peace you’re looking for there.
Racists have ruined all of our lives, unless you agree that the American Experiment is looking like a rousing success?
Rooting out racism is the solution. Not sitting quietly. With my sincere respect, grow a pair.
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2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:
So now The Constitution is racists? ?
You can't even connect the dots when you're the one laying them out.
You're trying to insist that because slavery happened 300 years ago, it has no impact on your life.
The Constitution, also 300 years ago, does have an impact on your life, you seem to agree.
The series of cause & effect that is history means..... what does it mean Jim?....... it means it all has an impact on your present day life. You are simply in denial. You are comparable, in intelligence, to a dog. You don't understand how you got here. You don't understand where you are, really. You just know how to chase, and lick peanut butter off cops' balls.
I wasted way too much time with you. You're going on ignore.
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Just now, SoCal Deek said:
Good examples Greg. So your real problem is actually with the legislature, not the police. Lawmakers make laws. The police are like robots. They go where they’re told to go, and answer the phone when it rings. So wouldn’t you think it would serve the black community to stop voting for the same lawmakers every two, four or six years that have inflicted upon them the same results you’re now standing in the streets to loot and rail against?
Pretending the law as written is the only problem is ignoring reality. Police are not like robots. Police are human beings. You're not going to waste both of our time suggesting the problem is just "a few bad apples," right Deek?
I am against looting! Are you? If you're concerned about looting, are you aware of Civil Asset Forfeiture?
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5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
We were getting somewhere and then you left the road again. ‘Live however you want’? You can’t and don’t mean that. The problem we have is that there are many who say one thing in public and do another in private. The Democratic Party is full of them. If you don’t mind, I’m going to stick with my lifelong policy of actually treating people the way id like to be treated.
Would you like to be treated by me saying "You can't and don't mean that"?
So, you treating people the way you'd like to be treated. You can't and don't mean that. If a group you felt was part of your community — whatever part of your identity you feel is "your people" besides Bills fan — was being killed by police, over and over, and nothing was being done about it... would you like it if people responded to you with "Not my problem"?
6 minutes ago, njbuff said:You sure are obsessed about racism there Sparky.
Did a KKK member piss on your panties before or something?
As a matter of fact, racists pissed all over my life and the lives of every person I know and have ever met. Same with you, actually, even if you don't realize it. You're covered in piss like everyone else.
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3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
Greg? That’s actually an interesting point: Blacks are ‘criminalized’? How exactly? Is it your position that having lots of police around somehow increases crime? Or is it your position that the legislature has written laws that make certain crimes more apt to be committed by black people?
Yes to both questions. Both are true.
"The War on Drugs" is exhibit A, and the fact that marijuana is now legal, but there are still hundreds or thousands, a horrifying amount of Black/POC Americans still imprisoned, even in states where it's legal, and the group profiting from the legalization is White people.
"Stop and Frisk" would be exhibit B.
There is money made on maintaining levels of criminality, in all kinds of ways. Are you aware of For-Profit Prisons?
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3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:
Beats me. I don't know much about Baltimore except that I like their aquarium and the harbor area with the sports stadiums. But would it really be surprising to see the same party that's been in power there continue trying the same fruitless strategies?
I don't know much about Baltimore either. But if they're considering defunding the police (something Jaraxxus told us already happened), then that would actually be very different from the same fruitless strategies.
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Just now, SoCal Deek said:
Or....how about I just continue living my life as I always have, being an example of treating people based on the content of their character and not by the color of the skin. Or, is that too 1960’s for your woke self?
Live however you want, but as I've said, "doing nothing" isn't doing anything for anybody but yourself. You're free to be entirely passive. If you've ever wondered, "if i had a time machine and could go back to Nazi Germany, what would I do?" You'd be doing this.
Do you have any friends or family who've been racist around you? Does that impact your evaluation of a person's character much, or not very?
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Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:
Enlighten me, how do you counter an argument that wasn't made? Please feel free to hit me with some points and I'd be happy to address or concede them.
The argument is "Trump is a fascist"
The evidence is "most of Trump's statements and policies"
Maybe you'd like to tell us how Trump is actually very democratic instead of fascist?
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3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:
Because it's still run by Democrats?
I was just told Baltimore already defunded their police, and were fully community policing. It appears that's not true. Was @Jaraxxus saying something untrue?? Our Jaraxxus??
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1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:
Who knew that simply by coming from a modest WNY working class immigrant background, studying really hard in public school, putting myself through college (twice), and then working my butt off in a job that I love for over 30 years, serving clients of all races, creeds and colors that I could earn the two very distinguished honorary degrees of ‘racist’ and ‘fascist’ just by visiting a message board. In a nutshell...That Was Easy!
They're optional identities. You don't have to be racist or fascist if you don't want to be. I'm giving you permission.
The bar is quite low to join anti-racism and anti-fascism. Despite the media's portrayal, all these things are is simply speaking out against racism and fascism. That's it! That's all you have to do to not be racist and fascist. Simply do not support their forms, and call them out as being bad.
Unless you think they're good! In which case, frame those degrees!
4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:I'd just like to thank the OP for the well thought out, well reasoned, and well explained statement including facts and real life examples. It's truly rare to see that kind of argument these days.
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Great sarcasm, brah!
Seriously though, your post really well thought out, well reasoned, and provided a solid counter argument with real life examples. It's really hard to find ANY examples of Trump supporting fascism. Can't think of any!!!!
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It's extremely common to see that kind of argument these days.
32 minutes ago, snafu said:This question comes from someone who’s not a Trump fan: how exactly is Trump a fascist and what actual policies has he put in place to further that goal?
Thats a pretty heavy charge you leveled. You ought to explain a lot more.
Do you really not have any guesses at all? Nothing you can think of, in his policies or statements? Nothing reads "fascist" to you from anything you've read or heard from Trump?
Have you seen/read anything from Trump?
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47 minutes ago, Brueggs said:
Fair enough. The only thing is the NFL didn't initially give their consent. They had to scramble to get a handle on it when they started to receive backlash.
You are right, NFL players do have an astronomical platform. That is exactly why there was no need to hijack a moment meant for something else. That is the crux of my argument.
My only point in all of this is there is a right time, and right way to do things. I don't believe the kneeling during the anthem, especially with pig/cop socks, is the right way, in the simple sense that it has caused unnecessary backlash for the league and further division of people. It did bring a heightened awareness of the issue at hand, so there is absolutely success in that. It could have been done differently, and without the backlash. I might be right, or wrong, its only my opinion.
Okay this is not me attacking you, this is an attempt to educate.
"There is a right way to protest" is a form of control, it is a form of racism. It is applied only by White America to minorities. White America never, to this day!, holds themselves accountable to a "right way to protest."
What was the Boston Tea Party? American Revolution? Civil War? Even recently, with Covid protests in Michigan — compare the treatment of those White protestors with Black protestors. Compare the reactions to the two.
The only "right way to protest" is the way that is effective. White America should be so thankful that Black Americans are a culture of peaceful good people. Black America should want revenge... and all Black people have ever wanted is equality. It's such a heartbreakingly humble request, and it's so horrifying to see White people think it's a debate, and a matter of opinion, that Black Lives Matter enough to stand up to police brutality.
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2 minutes ago, Foxx said:
(bad meme)
Sick meme, brah. Mind stating your point a bit clearer?
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7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:
Actually, I never thought you were black. I never accused you of being black. I accused you of trying to pass your self off as a black victim of crime, which you did.
I didn't follow you around, I responded to your posts, until it was clear you just had no interest in honest dialogue. As a matter of fact, my last interaction with you was to answer what you said was a "serious" question about what I felt was the frequency of unjustified shootings. I provided a respectful, detailed reply. I recieved no response. Since then, you have felt the need to keep calling me out in your posts for whatwever it is that you perceive of me in your sad little mind.
I have no interest in having any discussions with you. I have respectfully asked once and I respectfully ask again. Please leave me out of your posts and your discussions.
If everyone put you on ignore and nobody responded to your posts, then none of us would ever have to see the drivel that you write.
And that would make this forum a much better place.
You're right — I still had you on ignore, I showed that post & was surprised by your thoughtfulness & responded, but forgot to take you off ignore before I logged off. That was the last post I made before logging off. And then when I returned, I had 20 notifications or whatever and I don't remember what thread it was in, and lost track of it. I am interested in your response, but I don't know if I will find it. I appreciate that you answered it honestly anyway, even if I don't see it. If you remember which thread it was, I'll look.
As to your revised accusation — I was not trying to pass myself off as a black victim of crime at any point. If you'd asked me that directly, I could have simply told you, no, that's not what I was ever claiming. You kept wondering about my phrasing of "We're begging for our lives" — this is true. "We" as in, Americans, who support the end of police brutality. I am begging people to be aware of what is happening, and to do what they can, whatever small part, to end it. I attempted to clarify this, multiple times, and even in the original post, it was pretty clear in the context.
If I were attempting to pass myself off as a black victim of crime, wouldn't I give you more of a story? You've seen how much I'm willing to type. If I were coming in here trying to represent a specific type of character, wouldn't I go whole hog? Don't I seem to be somebody who would go whole hog on that, if that was the choice I was making?
It's obvious that my choice instead has just to been never confirm or deny any of the guesses. I indicated my location, but that's all, and my username indicates I'm male. I've also never asked anybody else's identity here, just follow-ups on what information is volunteered. And some insults. But to the degree that my race, age, employment status, relationship status, etc etc have all been guessed multiple times? Ha. Not even close to the same treatment. What a saint I must be to possess this kind of chill in the face of all the bad breath sent my way.
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1 minute ago, Reality Check said:
How do you know that you don't work for me. Agitation propaganda is lucrative. Who pays the man paying you? How do you know that you are not a useful idiot who is helping Trump get re-elected. You are fixated on what I do but that is something you will never know, nor would you ever understand it. You are here to provoke a specific response.
I don't know what you're talking about, at all. Your guesses are wild about my identity. Agitprop is lucrative?
I don't care about who you are or what you do, other than what you've volunteered. I'm interested in the racism, and racists, and since you're defending both but pretending you aren't, here we are.
Why didn't I just ask this a long time ago? Do you support racism? How are you not racist, specifically?
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4 minutes ago, Foxx said:
ummm... i wonder where, "America is the leader of the free world" fits in all of this nonsense.
What part is confusing? That that statement is propaganda? "Freedom" and "equality" also more propaganda than lived reality.
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1 minute ago, Reality Check said:
What do you think it proves? Did you listen to the audio?
I read the transcript. I have no idea what point you think you're making.
Just now, Wacka said:That the mayor is an F'n idiot
Is it that? What does that have to do with anything we were talking about, Reality?
Would this be something you would show to your Black acquaintances/employees, RC? Why not?
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Just now, Reality Check said:
How does the Moslem Brotherhood feel about fascism?
You'd know more than I would. I don't know why you're spelling it Moslem, or why you've decided this is my identity. It is again fascinating how each PPP poster has made a different decision on who I am and what my motivations are.
Everyone's sure I'm full of BS but nobody can quite decide which villain I should be, exactly.
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2 minutes ago, Reality Check said:
You are pure agitation propaganda. Pure BS.
What do you think that story proves exactly?
Defund the Police?
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"Supposed to" is not the world, though.
Actually, there are people protesting to "defund education" — Republican lawmakers. They just don't call it that. They call it "tax cuts."
What if we tried swapping Police and Education budgets? Imagine!