GregPersons

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Right, Autumn Steele. I'm confused? Is it that Autumn Steele isn't a bigger story? But we all know about it? My other point that White women missing or being hurt tends to always be national news, but it's not always, or rarely true for Black women. Breonna Taylor is maybe the first national name. I don't know. I agree this is an example of police injustice. If we're on the same side on this, I am confused what the argument is. I don't really want to be measuring the relative value of suffering. I am against it, period. My only additional point being again that Black people have been subjected to this to a greater degree, just as a fact. Not that it doesn't happen to White people. So, yeah. I don't know what the disagreement is on if we are all saying "Police need to be held accountable"?

Start by sending those and again I'll consider fronting maybe my portion of it. Again, no, I don't care enough to do it. If that means to you that you've won, so be it; it's meaningless to me. You are either against racism or you aren't. Your words and actions are the only things you can be judged on. The content of your character. That's all!

If the subject is "innocent women shot by police with no investigative follow-up" I don't know if there is an example of an innocent White woman being shot to death by police? Show me that story.

I don't think so. You make the video and you get the money. At best, you send us a confirmation video of your name and face, not reading the posts, just to prove you're on the level and I'll consider giving you half up front. That's the easiest way to just steal 25 bucks from me. Just a video showing your face and voice. Basically consider it your "Cameo" One of us is making up a new reality every day and that person seems to be you; you've been all over the place and I've stayed calm in the pocket. I'm not going through your posts. You can believe whatever you want, you have demonstrated continually an ability to exceed at believing all kinds of different realities. This isn't court and you're not that special.

I'm going to just keep playing along and assuming you're conversing in good faith. I specifically said I am not assuming anything about you. Your question in its nature assumed an ignorance on race. You asked how you could do better. I offered examples for, if you are someone unaffected by racism, structural racism, then you will have access to racists because they are all around. It is a mindset. It's a way of thinking. It's a lie that's been believed for generations. Racists are in all of our communities; it is more deeply ingrained to the American way of life in countless ways. You can start being woke by awakening to the reality. Acknowledging the history of the country. It's not complicated; convoluted in its forms, yes, but morally this does seem pretty "black or white." Black lives matter, or they don't. The country was built on lies, or black people are inherently inferior. It's one or the other. If we agree to the first two statements, then we need to begin understanding that history is ongoing and we all have a role in shaping it. Again, the choice is simple. It's simply to believe and behave that "This ends now. Racism is a lie. I'm not perpetuating it; I'm calling it out." Or you don't think racism is a lie, you think there is truth to the inherent racial superiority of one race or another. Is that the salacious allegation? Or what salacious allegation does it appear that I am saying, what part is salacious? Not sure what you are asking with implicit bias, maybe you could restate? I don't get your point.

Did you respond to my OP, though? What do you think about this story?

1 & 2) You seem to think I am concerned about my reputation here. I've stated repeatedly, my effort is to make sure racists don't feel comfortable in any of my communities. If me rattling the cages offends you so much, get a better problem to find offense. 3) Well if I'm being racist I'd like to be called on it; a lot of posters have accused me of it, but nobody has used the word correctly. They mean to say I'm being mean, discriminatory, and prejudiced; all true. I'm being all of those things to racists, whoever's post it comes from. I just don't see how you mocking me is an example of fighting racism, so I'm asking for your help in understanding by using your words to explain. How is mocking me an example of fighting racism? Again, as yesterday, as the day before — as a rule, I'm not going through your or anyone's posts. I'm procrastinating here by conversing, I'm not interested in going through your profile in any way. I have told you "no" on this every time. Speaking of saying "no" and saying it clearly — you have no said anything definitive to the offer of saying some of your posts on video for money from me and Warren. You should be aware of what you are saying. If you started with some basic self awareness, that would count as a victory. And you could start by stop making assumptions about my assumptions, since that is exactly what you are asking for. Maybe you speak out against racism elsewhere. In your conversations with me, all you've done is obfuscate, deny, distract, move the goal posts, etc ... every middle school debate trick in the book when you've ultimately got nothing, you've thrown everything at me, I think. Now you're trying the one where you're like, "I was anti-racist the whole time, I just don't like your tone."

And of sharing your thoughts when you don't know what you're talking about Uhhh yeah the specific details are obviously different, but we're on the subject of "missing women." There were several other pretty young white girl is missing stories besides Holloway too, as I'm sure you recall. Jon Benet Ramsey is a white girl who's unsolved murder is still talked about to this day. I don't know any examples of White women being shot by police. I'd guess that'd be one of the lowest demographics to suffer from police shootings, physically. (Women in general suffer from police violence, psychically, with how poorly police handle rape cases; they are also physically abused by police too. But I don't know any examples of innocent White women being shot by police)

So you're denying your posts, even from just an hour ago, denying that racism is a present day reality??????? Who am I virtue signaling to, by inserting myself to a sub-forum where I know I will be the minority opinion? If I wanted to virtue signal on PPP, I would say "All lives matter, Obama was a racist, liberals are idiots." That's how I would virtue signal here. And how is you mocking me an example of fighting racism, exactly?

I literally named "Natalie Holloway" in the post I quoted, so you don't have to wait. You just have to read with comprehension. Still no response on our offer? Why????

No I think you're doing better, for sure. Or maybe you disagree with Cole's words about taking small actions against racism? Since we're all sharing now, what are you doing to stand against racism? You can use IRL examples or I'm even accepting your behavior as demonstrated just on TSW. You're showing you're anti-racist by.... ?? (new post) How is an ex-cop posting 1 million dollars in bail? You guys contributing to his release fund, or what?

Are there any stories where cops using excessive force saved a life that was in danger, that would not have otherwise been saved? Not "they shot a drug dealer who would've went on to kill people later maybe" but "somebody's life was in mortal danger, and armed police saved the day." The one example I've received is the London Bridge terrorist attack. Unfortunately that's not an American example. But that's along what I'm looking for. There's all kinds of stories where cops using excessive force ended a life. How many where it saved a life? I've been led to believe by Blue Lives Matter that these things are happening on a daily basis. I am looking for examples! Seems like any time a cop has ever been helpful, it had nothing to do with guns.

Ohhh, of course you are. Of course. In your heart. You just don't feel the need to demonstrate it with your actions. You're too concerned about how people perceive you. Get over the embarrassment. Right now you're only "proving" that you are in support of racism, just based on your words and actions here, which is all that I'm judging you on. You might be donating money to BLM even, you need to understand it doesn't change this obvious fact — all of your actions count. Do you disagree? You are fine soapboxing for the "Stars and Bars" and berating people in general doesn't really bother you. So, one idea, is to use your abilities to speak against racism. To be actively anti-racist with your words and actions, and not just what you feel in your heart and mind. Quite frankly, the "thoughts & prayers" from White people are useless. All of our words and actions, however small, just as Cole said, make a difference. Racism wasn't built in a day, but over a long period of time. It won't be dismantled by you or I or any one person. It's a collective effort to say "This ends now. The racist buck stops here." There is an author named Ibram X. Kendi who has written multiple books on the subject of "Anti-Racism" that I would recommend to you as a first action. In fact I think next week even he's releasing a children's picture book if you want one with more pictures. Any of his work would be good. His name might seem scary but he's just a normal guy, a father, a Black American writing about race. He includes an anecdote in one of his books, about how when he was 13, he gave a speech about "Black Youth" in middle school. And he realizes now as an adult how, even though he won the speech contest and was celebrated at the time, he realizes his words and actions were actually racist. His speech was about how Black Youth needed to do more to present themselves respectably, to drop the Ebonics, to pull up their pants, to stop the black on black violence. He is a Black man, again. As I've said before — anybody can be racist; we all have been racist; we are all born into racism, as a fact of life, and then must make the choice on how to proceed. If you're not sure why those ideas would be racist, I recommend reading the book. The short answer is that, again, these ideas uphold White Supremacy ideals that "correct behavior" is whatever White behavior is. It was incorrect to sell marijuana when it was the "Black market." Now it's legal, Black America still imprisoned, and White America profiting. Democrats are guilty of this too, again; I'm thinking of California where marijuana shops are everywhere, and there are still hundreds of people imprisoned for non-violent drug offenses. Phew. Good thing I'm a fast typer and so patient. Truly the spirit of a saint to put up with this much nonsense, given how little hope you've given.

Easy. Don't let it stand. I don't know you, but if you happen to be White, you are going to have more access to outward Racists. Racists will very rarely be racist in front of Black people or People of Color. They are most comfortable being racist around other Whites, or around people they say are "the Good Ones." Whoever may be in terms of status, if you're privileged enough to be able to turn on/off your ability to think about race, you're likely in a position where you will encounter racists who are comfortable in their racism. Make sure they are not comfortable. Make sure they know that most people don't think like that. Make sure they know it's wrong, first, and then do your best to be helpful in getting them to understand why. What do you think? Nope. Some bullying is good. Is anti-bullying an issue you feel passionate about? I would be surprised if so based on your actions. Are you trying to claim the high ground now? Why did you ignore everything else I said to make a completely new point? Do you think it might be related to how race makes you uncomfortable? Do you think making you uncomfortable about race might even be my point? Because you might think next, "why am I uncomfortable?" Is it just because I'm bullying you? Have you never had someone call you a dickweed? I saw the way you blew up at Margarita yesterday, remember? Maybe you think the world is reborn every time you wake up. You seem to struggle with even recent history!

I'm showing you one way right here, right now. This counts. This is small. But this is one of my communities. You're somebody that is in a community that I am in. So, calling out racism and helping you understand even as you thrash and cry, that's just one small little thing. As for IRL examples, I'm not giving you my resume or personal information; I've mentioned before some of my work in a slightly more pleasant conversation with SoCal Deek. I don't care about your approval, I'm just noting your inconsistent principles again. Cole wants you to like him. I don't care what you think of me. Cole is the "carrot" for you to be anti-racist. I am the "stick." What have you done? You can limit your actions just to what you've done here in this community. Unless you think some communities don't count, or count more than others?

She would receive more national attention if she were a White woman. This is hardly debatable. A missing or dead White woman is always big national news. Natalie Holloway, etc etc. Actually, again, it supports my point. You misrepresenting my point doesn't change it Black people suffer from police brutality and police immunity. They are not the only ones. It affects everybody. It doesn't affect White people nearly as much proportionally, by any means, and go crunch some numbers if you want to disagree on stats! But it does affect White people and Latino people and Asian and Native and every classification. To suggest it affects everybody in equal numbers, in equal demographics is stupid. Do rich people get shot by police as frequently as poor people? And so on. Take my money, bro, and stop dodging this great job offer.

Nice words from Cole. Interesting that I've been saying virtually the same thing repeatedly but received 0 such compliments from you. Including that no actions are too small. One thing you could do — speak out against racism in your community when you see it

It's literally the post before yours....

Sure. I'd say it proves my theory entirely correct. Do you think there are only 19 posters on PPP? You're emblematic of what I keep showing you. Racists are cowards. Of course you aren't voting; you can't say "Yes" but you're too embarrassed to vote "No" even though it's your position. Racists are happy to say other beliefs are wrong, but unwilling to stand by their own. You've been repeatedly offered money by me and @Warren Zevon to just state your opinion. You have more incentive than anybody to just be upfront. You can't, because you're either lying to yourself or convinced you're a better liar than you are. Which is why I keep showing you how easy it is to see through. It's like you're going blue in the face to insist there's no arrow in the FedEx logo. The lived reality is obvious. Your fictional reality is much harder to maintain.

Everyone does, is that right? Also -- this is another post you can say on camera! This is one of your better ones! All of these names do is prove my point that unaccountable police violence is a problem that affects all Americans. I don't know why you are assuming I don't know these names. I more than encourage you to create a thread for each of them specifically. They all deserve discussion.

I'm not convinced this was a misspelling. Black people are plaque? On white society, you mean?

Yeah it's probably nothing. Unarmed black person shot by police? Never happened. Nothing to see here, folks! Your head is buried seven layers deep in some kinda hell, Dante.

Are you sure? You made a whole thread about me yesterday. Seems like one might even say I am "living in your head rent-free"

Did Breonna Taylor shoot at officers???? Did George Floyd??? How stupid are you? Also, @TakeYouToTasker can you define "whataboutism"? How many "what about" posts do you count in this thread besides your own? When someone brings up Josh Allen on TSW, do you say "What about Ben Roethlisberger?"