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1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:
Of course being healthy lowers your risk. In other news, the sky is blue. who said it doesn't. This piece, in no way, advances your argument. I give credit to trump for pushing vax development but it would have been political malpractice to not. please reference those that said they wouldn't take the vax if trump was prez. I'll steer clear from them. The opinions of stupid people shouldn't color our response to catastrophe.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/05/kamala-harris-trump-coronavirus-vaccine-409320
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/16/us/politics/biden-trump-coronavirus-vaccine.html
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/03/trumps-vaccine-cant-be-trusted/https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/563771-guess-who-undermined-public-confidence-in-vaccines/
You will dance around this because it doesn’t fit but we would all do well to steer clear of these people that undermined the miracle vax.
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14 minutes ago, BillStime said:
Trash
I think I see Rick Wilson in there with his confederate flag cooler.
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1 hour ago, Doc said:
And pawning the blame on staffers. Like staffers can view papers from a SCIF, much less steal them...
Someone here is going to eat the staffer story right up and come back for more.
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June 14, 2020. NYC checks off on huge Black Trans Lives Matter Rally. NYC area beaches remain closed. Jews not allowed to worship as they see fit.
Those that can think outside the realm of what the experts tell us (think Wolensky - a prominent individual) know that this was wrong in every way.
Trust: eliminated.
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7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:
This is an oversimplification of an extraordinarily complex situation.
One look at the behavior many insiders followed while preaching the “hunker down and stfu” mentality for everyone else rightly gives reason to pause and consider the righteousness of the order. Watching tens of thousands of individuals gather from across the country at the height of the pandemic, with precious little pushback from people like Faucci and leaders in govt was extremely problematic.
The simple reality is one can consider their own well-being, that of those around them and their fellow man, and choose not to vax/boost. It took only a change in administrations and a few short months before the narrative changed, and many of the heroic souls who gutted it out and got vaxxed for the greater good suddenly weren’t so interested in vaxxing up for the 2nd time, or getting boosted.
To quote our illustrious leader - Neanderthal thinking!!
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3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:
If another wave occurs and the healthcare system is stressed to the max, would you agree with preferentially providing care to those that are vaxed?
I would disagree vehemently as it has been proven for quite some time that the vaccine does not prevent infection, hospitalization, or death. Reduce the likelihood, yes. Prevent, no.
It’s not debatable. It’s science!!
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5 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:
not sure what your point was. People are tired of getting vaxed. So what? Case numbers are down but no where near what would be defined as eradication. Again so what? Do you not see a potential for further waves? I certainly do.
And population health is not virtue signaling. It is science which you stated up thread is what you use to make personal decisions. If the prevalence is higher and therefore the spread, so is your individual risk. Anything that decreases the prevalence is personally beneficial to you and also the population as a whole.
I do see the potential for further waves - despite the bazillion administered shots. They don’t work very well. People still die from covid after getting them albeit at a reduced rate.
Most of the world has moved on but nobody is telling you not to keep up the good fight.
And please remember to do your part and stay six feet apart.
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5 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:
you said you accept the death stats but your response requires that you do dispute the case numbers. Why? Oh, and 2500 people per week in the US continue to "move on". As far as spreading, as a population health standard, do you agree that the prevalence of an infectious disease affects its spread? ie the more prevalent in a population, the more spread.
So no thoughts on the winter case numbers vs low boosting numbers? I don’t dispute the numbers at all. Just curious as to how they mesh.
Again, everyone is free to protect themselves in the way they see fit. To pretend that some are doing it mostly for the greater good is virtue signaling at its peak.
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34 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:
I do like NPR. And I do like the article:
Vaccines, good treatments and the fact that so many people have been infected, all help keep people out of the hospital. But every week in America, more than 2,500 people continue to die of COVID.
"Personally, I am not a fan of needless suffering and death," says Dr. Kelly Moore, CEO of Immunize.org, which does vaccination education and advocacy. A recent analysis from the Commonwealth Fund found that the vaccination campaign prevented more than 18 million hospitalizations and 3 million deaths in the U.S., and saved the country more than $1 trillion.
"We've got an effective tool that can prevent a great deal of suffering, hospitalization and deaths, and we should still be using it," Moore says.
Do you dispute the overall 12.7 X increased risk of death in untaxed vs vaxed that I linked. What would be your upper and lower thresholds in order to continue getting vaxed?
I don’t dispute it. I question whether or not there may be long-term ramifications from repeated mRNA vaccination. Motorin’, above, covered it quite nicely.
Unless I get diagnosed with something unforeseen I won’t get ever boosted. I have original vax and a year later, subsequent infection. I don’t pretend I have any real immunity left, but for some time I have been living my life as I did pre-covid which includes weekly unmasked flights and am not fearful in the least. I don’t care one iota if the person in the seat next to me is multiboosted or an awful red state hillbilly. I also know that the booster will not prevent me from getting covid or spreading it. The covid handwringing in Feb 2023 is for the redhawks and chigeese of the world. Almost everyone else has moved on.
Why do you think cases are low in the absence of mass boosting/vax fatigue?
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11 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status Death is the most solid medical study endpoint. but also select the cases graph, just for giggles..
Cases steady and fairly low during winter. Certainly lower than last winter which we were told would be one of darkness and death. That doesn’t seem to fit the narrative. It’s especially interesting in light of:
Now, many have shrugged off the need to get updated boosters. Only 15% of people eligiblefor the COVID booster shot that targets the omicron variant have gotten it — a rate that is even lower than the perennially disappointing rates for flu vaccine uptake.
I know you like NPR.
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Just now, redtail hawk said:
no. Others have more direct knowledge of the patients they've cared for or watched die from Covid and are well aware of who among those that were vaxed or uvaxed...
Vaxed people get hospitalized and die too. You still seem to want to believe it’s going to save the world despite the numbers in front of you. The vaccine is of marginal value. Get as many as you want. Nobody is stopping you and I am sure it will protect you from the hillbillies you fear. Not everyone is as fearful as you. The vax doesn’t do what it was advertised as doing. That’s not even debatable.
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1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:
And yet those educated and knowledgable to a much greater degree in virology/microbiology/infectious disease than the general population continued to overwhelmingly get vaxed.
True. We will see how it plays out. I personally have concerns when the experts, opinion makers, and President turn out to be 100% wrong in their claims. Makes me less willing to follow along. Others have more faith in these fine public servants and media mavens and are willing to overlook their wrongness. Have at it.
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6 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:
don't know of newer data. If I recall correctly, this was at a time where approx 60% of eligible Americans had been vaxed. In the hospital system I worked at, that was the same number for nurses. perhaps, admission criteria for all professions should be highly competitive.
Indeed and that was also around the time when the phrase “breakthrough infection” started making news and it started becoming clear that the vaccine did not work in the way Wolensky, Biden, and Maddow assured us it would.
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2 hours ago, B-Man said:
You know. . . . . . . . . . "But Trump"
Biden lawyers handed over boxes of documents in BOSTON: Latest twist in classified files saga reveals they were handled in
another location before they arrived at the Penn Biden Centerby Geoff Earle
- The National Archives released emails from time Biden documents discovered
- Came on a day the FBI searched Mike Pence's Indiana home
- One email to Biden lawyers referenced boxes of material in Boston
A new detail in the web of information about the trail of Biden documents came to light Friday when the National Archives released email traffic that referenced documents in Boston. The email, from National Archives lawyer Gary Stern, came days after classified material was discovered in the offices of Biden's DC think tank office at the Penn Biden Center. Biden and federal officials have located documents at Penn Biden and at Biden's Wilmington home, and have searched his Delaware beach house after the initial discovery at Penn Biden days before the November elections.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11738199/Biden-lawyers-handed-boxes-documents-BOSTON.html
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They were spilled there on accident.
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4 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:
The competitive nature of med school admissions has its benefits: https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19
Any chance some of them have had second thoughts since the article that was published in Jun 2021? Is it even possible?
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4 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:
5 Reasons We Know The COVID-19 Vaccines Don't Have Long-Term Health Effects“1. History has showed us that with vaccines, adverse effects occur within eight weeks of vaccination—not years later
2. Neither mRNA technology—nor viral vector technology—is new.3. mRNA technology does not alter your DNA.
4. As opposed to other types of treatments and medications that are taken regularly, vaccines can’t cause a surprise reaction years down the road.
5. The mRNA vaccines might feel futuristic, but their ingredients actually are not.“
The article goes a bit more in depth, but there’s little to no reason to suspect that there are long term negative effects from the vaccines.
“With vaccines, you’ll get one or two shots (maybe even three if you get a booster),” says Dr. Cunningham. “If you are going to get a reaction from a vaccine, it’s going to occur soon after you receive the vaccine. At most, it will occur within two months—not 10 years later.”
From the article. What about boosters 4,5,6 and beyond? Is there any mRNA science that speaks to it?
Your personal risk aversion ceases when it comes to repeated mRNA injections. Good for you. Having had covid a year after my initial two round vax and lived to tell the tale I’m going to wait a little while and see how it all plays out. It turns out the vaccines neither prevent one from getting covid nor spreading it.
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8 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:
I get why people don’t wear masks and I don’t think we should mandate them.
What I fail to understand is why people would refuse to get a shot that greatly reduces their chances of a severe outcome from a contagious disease that’s still killing hundreds of people every day. Even if people don’t care about anyone but themselves, they should get the shot. Or at the very least, talk to their doctor about it.
What are the long-term ramifications of repeated mRNA boosters? Does your doctor know? If so, how does he know?
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1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:
I guess, to me, it makes sense to get a shot that greatly reduces the chances of severe outcomes from a virus that’s killed millions of people and somewhat reduce the chances I might pass it to someone else, than do not get it because of vague reasons that lack any scientific backing.
But that’s just me, I suppose.
You have also told us you wear a mask in crowded indoor settings. The world has moved on. Not everyone is as risk-averse as you seem to be. You and like-minded people are free to do what you do. Nobody cares. If that makes you a more thoughtful person than the vast majority, well, you’ve got that going for you.
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7 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:
citation needed)
Apologies. I surmised.
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7 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:
Vaccines reducing transmission but their effectiveness fading over time =\= vaccines don’t reduce transmission.At the start, the hope had been that the vaccines would eradicate COVID. That didn’t happen. Instead, they are very good at preventing bad outcomes when you catch COVID and can reduce the transmission for a while.
The logical response to this would be that we should look at COVID vaccines the way we look at flu shots: something we get every year or so to protect ourselves and those around us. Instead, people are somehow arriving at the conclusion that getting a vaccine is pointless or even bad.
What makes you believe everyone gets a flu shot? Because you do?
You are clearly in the camp that there is no way that mRNA shots will have zero consequences a little while down the road. I am not. There’s not enough….science…to know. If I am wrong about that, please let me know what the future looks like.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/861176/flu-vaccine-coverage-by-age-us/
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3 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:
COVID vaccines slash risk of spreading Omicron — and so does previous infection“The team found that among individuals with COVID-19, those who received at least one vaccine shot were 24% less likely to infect close contacts— in this case cellmates — compared with unvaccinated prisoners. People who had been infected before were 21% less likely to infect others compared with prisoners with no previous infection, and those who had been both vaccinated and previously infected were 41% less likely to pass on the virus compared with unvaccinated individuals without a previous infection.
The sub-headline from that article:
But the benefit of vaccines in reducing Omicron transmission doesn’t last for long.
The vaccines do not prevent covid infection nor the spread of covid. Who is debating that at this stage? Anyone that wants some temporary measure of semi-protection can get it whenever they want.
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1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:
Comparing the COVID-19 Vaccines: How Are They Different?“In January, the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) published a study based on people 12 and older included in North Carolina’s state vaccine registry data. The study found the bivalent vaccine to be 58.7% effective against hospitalization compared to 25% for the monovalent one that preceded it; its effectiveness against infection was 61.8% compared to 24.9% for the monovalent. Scientists noted that this study covered a period when Omicron subvariants BQ.1 and BQ.1.1. were also circulating, which suggests the updated vaccine is more effective against those strains in addition to the ones it was designed to target.”
The bottom line is that they neither prevent infection nor spread of infection. Nobody is saving the herd through repeated boosting no matter how brave that is. Those that fear hospitalization or worse should do what’s best for themselves.
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14 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:
I'll bet you're happy you're protected and you didn't even have to get that scary shot! It's okay, kitty, we got you boo!
While you continue to benefit from those who were braver than you. Glad it worked out for you. The world is a frightening place sometimes!
Like you, I am a man of science. When the numbers looked good out of Israel, I took the shot of my own free will, not because I was told to or so that I could prove my bravery (thanks again for your heroism). Once the numbers turned to sh*t and it was clear the miracle vax was less than miraculous, I combined my love of science with common sense and decided not to bother. You instead appear to prefer lining up behind the Walensky’s, Maddow’s and Stelter’s of the world. Now that’s brave!!
Carry on vaccine warrior! Somebody has to do what they are told.
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4 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:
I draw the line by looking around me and seeing what's going on. I haven't gotten the flu vaccine out of laziness over the years and as a result, I've gotten the flu a couple of times and it sucks. If there was a major deadly flu outbreak I would be sure to do my part to protect the herd and get the shot. If there's a Covid outbreak that shutting down life as I know it, I'm going to get the booster. In other words, my actions will change based on the circumstances. Probably a foreign concept, I know... I now look with disdain at those who were too scared of the science to do the right thing. IMO ya'll talk a tough game but go into hiding as soon as it gets a little uncomfortable, hiding behind ant-government propanda and conspiracy theories. As a result, I'll never expect too much from my fellow red Americans.
Here kitty, kitty, kitty! 🙀
Don't worry, tho. It's still your choice, snowflake! Let the Libs take that risk away for you.
I see you are a big science guy (seems counterintuitive based on your posts, but whatever). I once asked one of your like minded board members a covid science question but he didn’t answer. The question dealt with the Sabres playing in an empty arena in Canada on the same day the Rams won the Super Bowl before 80k people. I was just curious which science he believed in. Canadian science or California science. Both places were impacted by covid.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/health/vaccine-effectiveness-bivalent-boosters-cdc/index.htmlYour bravery in protecting the herd with extra boosting is noted. Based on some reading, including from this well-known conservative outlet, continued boosting might actually fly in the face of science. Carry on, progressive hero.
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Slate tries to debunk “dies suddenly;” fails miserably then calls for a police state
in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
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Seems very unlikely anyone will answer this one. It’s going to go right on the “too hard” pile.