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3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:
What exactly are you agreeing with? Hopkins played 9 games. Not 17. Gabe Davis had 93 Targets in 16 games. Hopkins had 96 in 9 games. Hopkins played with 3 different QBs. Two of those QBs were Colt McCoy and Trace McSorley. Kyler only played in 4 of the games that Dhop played in and he still had 64 catches and 717 yards. He got Targets because HE WAS OPEN or you can give him a jump ball. Davis had double the TD catches because again, he played the entire season. Dhop was on pace for 120 catches and 1400 yards in a full 17 games season. What part of that don't people like you and the guy you agree with, that's wrong, get?
Availability is the best ability. And Dhop has been injured/coming off a PED suspension, which I'd be willing to live with if he didn't come with a $19m salary or if the cap was nonexistent.
On top of that, this offense doesn't need a 2nd #1 WR to succeed. We need better balance, which I think comes with improving our RT and slot WR.
If AZ takes on at least $9m of that salary, then it changes my mind (but that likely drives up the draft pick/trade value). Too much $$$s to tie up at WR.
We shall see what happens, my money is no trade.
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1 minute ago, B-Man said:
Just say no.
DHop only has any production at this point in his career because of his high volume of targets.
He will be 31 when the season starts. Was busted for PEDs and has started getting injured. Big no thank you.
19 games combined over the past two seasons.
IMO Buffalo needed to get a legitimate slot guy to replace the Bease, not an outside guy to replace Davis.
Last year Davis had 93 targets, DHOP had 96.
Davis had 100+ more yards, more than double the TDs, a much higher YPC average and the same number of first downs generated compared to DHOP.
Don't be logical, that's not allowed around here 😁.
100% agree on everything you said, slot and YAC should be what we're trying to find in this draft
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3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
What is the NFL story for the next 3 months if DHop gets traded tonight? The only story left then is WHEN Lamar signs with Baltimore. No other likely big name trade candidates........no QB's pondering retirement. The NFL kinda' needs DHop to not get traded until June at least.
Haha I see your point...but Zona is either collecting capital for this draft, or he's likely staying there until season starts (injuries start to occur/teams get desperate again)
It'd be fun to get Dhop, but I've said all along it wasn't real, too many gullible (overly optimistic thinking) posts. We shall see tonight, or possibly tomorrow night at latest.
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29 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:
And there's only so far you can restructure a 100+ million dollar CAP hit with a 41 year old.
I can't imagine Aaron agreed to restructure, if he plans to retire after this season...bc he'd be out of luck on that money (I think, since it converted to salary).
But yeah, agree Jets are going to have an issue soon with that deal...unless Aaron plays until mid 40s
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24 minutes ago, Locomark said:
Did anyone see the Rodgers cap hit got pushed to ‘24 and per CBSSporstline it’s ONE HUNDRED SEVEN MILLION for that year!!! Wow, they will be forced into eating $ on him for years.
Yeah thats a huge deal for both them and GB, assuming that was part of the holdup in trade too. GB now doesn't have to "eat" any money....and Jets take on the full portion of his contract.
Jets certainly restructure next year, but that cap burden is likely 2-3 years away from really hitting them.
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9 minutes ago, SCBills said:
If we don’t get him, Hopkins going anywhere but KC is a win.
Throw CIN a real threat in-division if Lamar can stay healthy.. That’s fine by me.
Ravens had Cincy beat, with their backup QB, if said player doesn't try to be superman at the goalline.
I think they'll be just fine, with or without Hopkins...key is keeping Lamar healthy, as you did note.
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1 hour ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:
I realize the Bills have needs obviously every team has needs and no team has ever won the Super Bowl with a perfect team. Jeremy White and WGR have lead the Wr train this off-season and I feel it’s gotten out of hand . It’s borderline annoying and can’t help but think these guys don’t know anything about football . If u look at the last 25 seasons or even more u will see plenty of teams have won the Lombardi with less WR talent then what the Bills currently have. This idea that we need a Wr in a horrible yr for that position in this draft is insanity to me. Most of these guys are slot type Wrs and u don’t take slot Wrs in the first or second rd of the draft.
I’ve been doing some research on Super Bowl winning teams and the most common denominator of those winning teams other then QB is in the trenches the lines so to speak and other then that it’s the identity of those teams. Those teams for the most part if not all had a physical identity and a aggressive mentality scheme wise . We definitely know the Bills are not Super bowl caliber in the trenches and we are definitely not Super Bowl caliber in physicality or schematically.
With that all being said i believe the Bills should attack this draft in the trenches and the good news is it’s not a bad yr for Oline or DEs . I know I know we’ve wasted pks on Basham and Epenesa recently but I hate to say it we need to keep drafting edge or even interior players on defense and on offense with need more offensive line.
To quote Doug Whaley the Bills have put themselves in somewhat a purgatory position when it comes to the lines the players they have are not bad enough to be outright replaced but also not good enough to be the difference in a Super Bowl caliber team. We are basically middle of the pack in those spots and middle of the pack doesn’t get the job done. It’s on McBeane now to identify these needs and realize we must get much better in those areas and to cancel out the noise from the Bills fans and media about going Wr early in the draft and continue to build at the LOS.
Agree completely. Depending who is there, OL/DT/DE/WR should all be in play 1st 2 rounds. Then, add TE and MLB to that list.
We need a good slot WR, that can create separation/RAC ability. Shakir hasn't shown hes ready yet, and Harty is a dart throw. But unless a premier guy slides to 27, this can be filled in the 2nd-3rd rounds.
Then in a deep TE class, a #2 TE can be found in the 4th/5th round. We barely utilize Knox enough, bc our oline needs constant help, and people want another high-end TE. Not likely, and a big shift in offensive strategy.
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12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
If you are drafting to fill holes like that you are probably about to have a bad draft haul.
Getting a new 2023 left tackle before another season of decline from Dawkins........and then moving him to guard..........would be great. But getting a league average starting LT right away isn't likely to be happening from this draft.
Expecting rookie guard and RT prospects to be better than Bates, McGovern, Edwards and Brown is also unlikely.........but yeah they should be drafting players to develop the next couple of years at some of those non-premium OL positions.
The one position they could gain the most from with just ONE player is a stud WR..........and good rookie WR's are often up to speed and making plays by mid-season.........but also not worth reaching for and botching your draft.
Needs change FAST in the NFL.
There are probably 2-3 WRs that are going to be upgrades for us this yr, vs ehat we already have....JSN, Flowers, and Addison.
Beane went and grabbed 2 FA wrs, not saying he's done or should he be, but I'm more skeptical we are taking one early. This offense can open up, if Knox (or our Rb) needs to chip on every play.
RT and DT, there are handful of players round 1 at both spots that would be instant competition. We will see what happens. We need to get better in the trenches, plain and simple...it might not be an immediate ROI, but will come this season
12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:Well I guess the Eagles need to draft defensive lineman with much bigger feet don't they? Because they didn't play the run well either.........while the Chiefs defense played on the same turf and shut the Eagles run game the f*ck down while the gimpy Mahomes was much more effective on the ground than Hurts.
If not for about a half dozen of those sketchy Bush-pushes prolonging drives for the Eagles the game would have been over much sooner. A gimpy ankled Mahomes leading a team that was outmanned everywhere else except TE to victory was a case study in the importance of being built around an elite passer.
Funny, bc if Hurts doesn't fumble away the ball at midfield (returned for a TD have you), Eagles were about to take control. That was the main momentum shift.
Eagles also showed on tape that they press man in alot of goal to go, Reid was a genius designing rub/motion that freed up 2 easy TD plays.
Eagles pass rush changes that game 9 out of 10 times. Horrible field made the difference, and KC has tackles that struggled with the speed rush
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Changing my picks (prior: Drew Sanders and Jayden Reed) to:
1. Bryan Bresee DT
2. Matt Bergeron OT/OG
Still think Jayden Reed could slide to 3rd round, potential move up...but focusing my review of Beanes recent comments and seems like a draft focused on trenches early
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7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Meh.....in today's NFL sacks are largely a QB stat.
If you were expecting the Eagles to maintain their 3.5 sack per game regular season pace against Patrick Mahomes then you were going to be disappointed.
Mahomes was sacked just 3 times in the biggest jail-break SB game we've ever seen against Tampa when he was playing with a line of backups.
The bottom line is that the weakness of the "balanced attack" teams are teams that can throw the ball every down and be effective. Even when they DON'T. The threat of getting speed-boated changes how they have to play.
Agree about some of this...but...
The field condition absolutely hampered the Eagles speed rush. Bad field conditions/footing will tend to favor an offense, if they're capable of a quick or intermediate passing game (which KC can obviously do it all).
I'm still in the camp that we're not getting to the SB until we have a consistent/disruptive DL, but in general, much better in the trenches.
I'd love another WR this draft, but if the Cincy (and prior KC playoff) loss showed us anything, it was we're not good enough on either line.
I know everyone wants a new #2 WR, but I'm hapoy of this draft focuses on the trenches rds 1&2, then gets us a Wr and MLB. Can't fill every hole this offseason, but Beane has to hit on the top 2 picks. I'm fine if our MLB position is a rotation of sorts, and McD gets more creative with dime looks.
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6 minutes ago, Process said:
Dream scenario is trading down with AZ for Hopkins. Imagine coming out of the first two rounds with Hopkins, OT Harrison and a starting MLB.
I cant imagine who AZ would want to trade up for though.
I think it's going to be very difficult to trade down this draft. Best chance is if Hooker is there at the end of Rd 1 and a team want to move back to the end of the first to get him. Seattle and Detroit come to mind.
Hopkins is a pipedream and not necessary.
But agree about Hooker, or someone who might be very high on a TE that slips. That's the most likely way a team is interested in moving up (without us wanting to draft same position/player).
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If they like Breese or Kancey, that could be a semi-surprise selection. We have zero Dts under contract after this year.
We need to look for a 1-tech type player, but the talent at 3-tech might be tough to pass up in Round 1.
Many want Ed out the door, and Settle underperformed LY. Phillips is situational at best, injury risk waiting to happen.
It's just a matter of when, not if, we draft a DT. Beane has stated, like many have noted here, that aren't many players graded as 1st rounders. Fewer than LY, when we moved up for Elam (who they said was their last 1st rounder graded).
I don't think we move up, better chance of moving back if an offer presents itself. I'm starting to envision a scenario we go OL/DT or DT/OL, with our 1st two picks. Then target a Jayden Reed type in the 3rd
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1 minute ago, HappyDays said:
Yeah I'm not excusing the players, whether the rule makes sense or not it's incredibly easy to follow. I was just curious what the reasoning it. I know coaches aren't allowed to gamble at all on any sport, so maybe they just don't want there to be any possibility of coaches using players to place bets?
Sorry didn't mean to infer you were excusing the players.
Agree, it's likely about implicating other parties (who are banned from gambling on any major sport)
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4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
If I login to Fanduel on my phone in my company break room and place a bet, nobody cares.
I'm guessing the optics and/or potentially implicating the NFL team/staff/others, is the reason they don't want any gambling on NFL team property.
Agree or disagree, the rule is pretty simple and players have been reminded constantly
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Just now, Warriorspikes51 said:
I'm not saying it should be tolerated....I'm saying they dish out harsher punishments for gambling than they do for crimes
It's the integrity of the sport/NFL shield that they are protecting. The rules are cut and dry.
Simple case that DV doesn't put the NFL, or the billions of gambling revenue that you referenced, at risk.
Not difficult to understand, right or wrong
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2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Honestly why does the NFL care about that so much when they don't care about women abusers?
The league makes BILLIONS from Gambling. HypocrisyClueless post....
And when the NFL allows players to gamble/influence games, how you going to feel as a fan that the integrity is lost?
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3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
We're back on this. I cannot stress this enough - it's either Hopkins or a 1st. If we trade for Hopkins, we aren't drafting a WR in the 1st. If we Draft a WR in the 1st, we won't be trading for Hopkins.
With Diggs and Davis (who isn't going anywhere this year and will not be demoted any further than #3 no matter how much some fans want it), Harty, Shakir, and Sherfield - there's room for just 1 WR on the top end.
Maybe they Draft a WR later in the Draft as a developmental guy and still trade for Hopkins. But they aren't doing both.
Agree. @Warriorspikes51 thinks we are building a fantasy football WR room.
not directed at you, but in general:
1. We should be looking for complimentary skillets, to improve the Wr room....quick separation/Rac.
2. Having 2 #1 Wrs is a luxury we can't afford, unless we find one in the draft.
3. Not sure why Dhop is still the discussion/desire. Anyone who watched the Cincy game, and season last year in general, should realize our OL play has to improve. RT should be a high priority, but also not overspending on WRs. We can use that future cap on improving the OL
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9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
What? Gabe Davis does not have nearly the same speed as Hyatt
Downfield receiver. It's not just about a 40 time, and doubt Hyatt is converting many more of the deep passes (yes, yes the Jets game).
Point is our offense isn't lacking a deep threat WR. Harty, albeit smaller size, offers more speed as well.
Unlike you, I see Hyatt as a boom/bust prospect. Very good deep route guy, limited otherwise.
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48 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Didn't they say similar things about Justin Jefferson and question how he'd be in the NFL because he rarely faced press?
Also, watching Hyatt's tape....he is actually a decent route runner...he just hasn't been asked to run a vast route tree. But he shows subtle moves on deep patterns that takes DB's out of the play. He also shows deceptive feet at the top of a route. He can take a slant the distance. I don't buy his 4.4 combine time. On tape he is 4.29-4.33. Especially after 15-20 yards he just rockets past everyone. He is also more physical and elusive underneath than given credit for. He has shown stiff arms, tackle breaking and good change of direction plays.
With Allen's arm....we could literally just chuck it up 60 yards deep to Hyatt 3-5 times per gameGabe Davis is already our Hyatt.
Hyatt might have a higher ceiling, but he's not stepping into a vacant role/overtaking Gabe.
We better get OL to give Josh time. Maybe Gabe, and Diggs, would actually look much better without having to keep Knox and/or Cook into chip on almost every play.
Schematically,we are going to face:
1. Jets type of cover 3/4 & strong 4 man rush: we've countered by keeping Knox and/or RB to block or chip. We need to get better at G/T to avoid this
2. Dolphins/Chiefs aggressive 5 or 6 man rushes. It's OK/needed to keep in extra blockers, but we're missing the slot/quick WR who can get fast separation
Hyatt doesn't improve us against either option. Maybe next year, if Gabe is gone.
Gabe struggles on #2, this is why we need a Zay Flowers/JSN type.
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1 minute ago, TBBills Fan said:
Even if hes a 1 year rental, lets get him for this years SB run.....
But that's the thing...he's not a 1 yr rental OR cheap.
Likely would take restructuring/amortizing the future $s, just to git him under this year's cap limit. Then we'd be having major dead cap in some future season. Not good future cap planning and goes against everything Beane has stood for
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2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
I believe the goal (albeit a lofty one) should be to come out of the draft with a WR depth chart of:
Diggs
Hopkins
Davis_______ JSN / Flowers / Addison / Hyatt / Mingo / Dell
HartySherfield
Shakir
You live in a dream world if you think that's even in a realm of possibilities.
More realistically:
1. Draft a WR and OT early
2. Then best value at: MLB, TE, DT, DE, CB
Cap is a reality and we shouldn't be chasing another high priced WR. This offense needs another RAC guy, RT (better OL play), and balanced attack with running/playaction.
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8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:
First of all, has anyone listened to Beane and McDermott talk about Gabe Davis? They freaking love the guy.
I don't think our efforts to add to WR this offseason have been/will be about replacing Gabe Davis so much as getting him back to what he does best. I think Davis is a good starting WR, just not great. But Cincinnati, Philadelphia and Miami are the exceptions, not the rule when it comes to 1-2 punches at WR.
What Josh Allen really thrives with is an Elite slot WR, as we learned with Beas.
What's this draft full of?
Potentially good to great slot WRs.
I looked at Dane Brugler's "The Beast" over at The Athletic and the VAAAASSSST majority of the top 14 WRs are slot WRs.
And all 14 of those are in his top 100
And also, Brugler has 15 WRs in his top 100. From JSN to Jordan Addison to Zay Flowers to Josh Downs to A.T Perry to Tank Dell... this draft is STACKED with WRs who project to the slot.
It really makes me think this might be a repeat of last year and 2020 when we knew WR was a need but we waited to draft one til the mid to late rounds.
That said... I would friggin LOVE JSN on this team!
Great post! Agree about slot WR being a need, opening up the passing game.
Hope I'm wrong about Skakir, but I see a backup. Counting on him to take over, is a big risk. Harty is the ideal #4, per Beane himself...and don't think he's durable enough for a full time role.
Zay Flowers is an ideal fit in our offense. Explosive, RAC ability but likely won't be there at 27 (hope I'm wrong).
Jayden Reed is another 2nd-3rd round option at slot WR. Not as explosive as Flowers, but brings an edge and likely better blocking ability.
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5 hours ago, Dr. Who said:
It's a terrible draft for WR. If you want a slot, Zay Flowers or Josh Downs fit, but I wouldn't take them at 27 and they won't make it to 59.
Taking Mingo in the first is absolute crazy talk. I am a broken record on this: there aren't any good WR2. You can try someone like Mingo with a mid-round pick. Basically the Gabe Davis experiment. Maybe it works. Staff may love Gabe's work ethic. His numbers are not bad, but he's not that good. I would go after Dalton Kincaid. He'll be better than the WR choices on the board if he isn't picked before 27.
Zay Flowers has been my guy for a while. He can be moved all around, but immediately contribute in the slot.
Doubt he makes it to 27 now, he's been moving up draft boards...reminds me of Dotson (Penn St WR LY), and likely goes in the high teens/early 20s.
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43 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Hodgins was not and is not a slot WR. Too tall and too slow. We pulled Bease out of retirement because Crowder got hurt and McKenzie wasn't getting the job done.
I believe Shakir probably could have held the role down but for whatever reason McDermott likes to bring Rookies around slowly. He has to take the training wheels off this year with how he performed in spot duty.
But last year was another example of why you don't carry 3 slots. It left us with Diggs, Davis, and nothing else. We were putting Kumerow in the starting lineup when Davis got dinged up because all we had was slot.
We signed our slot in Harty and Shakir will cycle in. We released McKenzie in large part bc the position was covered already. As he said "don't want too much duplicate".
You can disagree all you want about Hodgins, but that's exactly the position that he played with us and Gmen. Mostly in the slot.
He's too slow/lacks downfield explosion, to be a consistent outside guy.
Harty is our perfect #4, per Beane himself. I'd expect he plays slot and outside, but doubt he's our starter. Same with Sherfield, ability to play inside/outside.
I'm not saying Gabe is a great #2, but our slot WR is a critical piece of our offense.
This entire discussion started with me saying we shouldn't draft Hyatt, he has a higher ceiling than Gabe Davis but likely not an upgrade this season.
Flowers, Downs, even Reed, would be upgrades over Shakir and squad at the slot immediately.
Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?
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At least the gullible fans....
Some point this offseason, people will realize they were grasping at straws from the beginning.