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Well I guess most of us can agree that they were all awesome. It was a privilege to have watched Reed, Moulds, and Diggs play. Let’s hope that Beane picks the next “great one”in the upcoming draft, so that we can all argue someday if he was the best ever.
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54 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
It's absolutely a criticism of Diggs when you say he was worse than a guy who was rarely at the top of the league against his contemporaries. No doubt the game is played differently than it is today, but why did he only crack top 5 receiving numbers 4 times in 16 years? Tim Brown had no trouble despite far lesser QB play.
Why are you arguing about things that are facts?
Andree reed played in 21 playoff games with 85 total receptions and 9 TDs averaging 58.5 YPG. Diggs meanwhile has 14 playoff games with 69 total receptions, 4 TDs and 64.9 YPG. This board is ridiculing Diggs for disappearing in playoff games, leaving no mention of Reed doing the same. In 3 playoff games from 95 to 96 Reed had a combined 16 targets for 5 receptions for 52 total yards. Andre Reed failed to score a touchdown in his final 11 straight playoff games. 11 straight games.
There is no reality in which Andre Reed was a better Buffalo Bills receiver than Andre Reed. He would have broken every record reed set in probably 60% of the games if he were still here. Rose tinted glasses from the softening of history through the passage of time is a wild thing.You conveniently leave out his numbers during his prime. From 95 on reed was 31.
Here are the numbers prior
Diggs 2 tds. 47 catches for 600 yds
reed 9 tds 78 catches 1116 yds
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45 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
You understand that he and the team knew that he had far more value being healthy and available than proving he was a touch guy by taking unnecessary hits right? He's remained remarkable healthy during his time here considering we've shoveled him 644 targets in 4 years while Andre reed had only 941 IN 15 YEARS as a Bill.
Nobody wants their #1 $20M dollar WR taking punishing hits. That's what Tight Ends and inexpensive slot receivers are for. There are a lot of terrible arguments that Andre Reed was better than modern day receivers, and this is probably the worst one. His ability and willingness to catch passes over the middle doesn't nearly make up for his lack of production. Reed's best quality as a player was longevity. 16 years for a receiver in his era was insane and it's the only reason he had the aggregate stats necessary to eventually get a nod to the HoF. If he's not part of the "4 straight super bowl appearances" story, there's no way he ever gets in, because there were better players during his era and after that still aren't.-Oh 100 percent. I have zero issue with Diggs and his style of play. I understand it.
-That is where we disagree. Back then a running attack was more predominant than passing for most teams. Exception being Houston. This is a passing league now. With rules where u can’t touch wrs. A game made for offense and scoring. Much less clutching, grabbing, head hunting etc.. Reeds numbers would absolutely be much better.
-outside of rice not too many. Carter/irvin maybe-and playoff football? Reed over Diggs all day.
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1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:
That's not what you said tho. "Imagine Diggs going over the middle" means he doesnt/wouldnt do it.
Definitely not as much or as well as Reed. But Diggs was a warrior out there. Regardless of how poorly Bills fans want to speak of him now that he is gone.
Fair enough. I should have reworded to “rarely goes over the middle and makes business decisions after catch as to avoid injury”. I am also not speaking poorly of him. Awesome wr and loved his passion. But some people need a reality check when we start throwing out terms such as best bills receiver ever. It’s like saying Mario Williams was better than Bruce smith.
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1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:
If you dont think Diggs has ever gone over the middle of the field then you havent been watching Bills football the past 4 years.
Any where near Andre reed? Who did it for a living? If your not able to understand that then you have not been watching football period for a very long time.
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14 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:
He was far better than any Bills receiver from the 90s onward. he accomplished things Reed and Moulds never did.
imagine Diggs going over the middle? Yeah me neither. Diggs in many cases catches ball and falls down to avoid getting hit. This is fine I get it. This is how he plays. But Andre was fearless in an era where they were still allowed to take your head off. Don’t get it twisted. He was a true alpha receiver. It was Jerry rice and him. 1a. 1b. Diggs isn’t even in the top 10 today. And has certainly never been 1 a or b at any time.
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1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:
The most lukewarm take ever - Andre Reed being in the Hall of Fame is more ridiculous.
Talk about a lukewarm take. 😂
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19 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
He was far better than any Bills receiver from the 90s onward. he accomplished things Reed and Moulds never did.
The guy played four seasons here and people want to anoint him the bills best receiver ever? That’s crazy talk. Over someone who is in the hall of fame? Ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong he is a great player. But to say he was better than Andre Reed is ludicrous.
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Those 10 people who voted for “bills best receiver ever” must have been born after the 90’s.
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59 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
We'll likely have a large amount of cap space, however, so we will be able to sign good defenders. The idea is to build up the offense for THIS season and take advantage of a generational WR draft. Thomas/Aiyuk and McConkey?!? Sign me up for that.
This exactly.
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1 hour ago, SCBills said:
I’m willing to move 28, 60, next years 1st and next year 2nd if that’s gets us Nabers or Odunze.
Really conflicted on a trade up for Brian Thomas.
Would really like to keep the 2nd we got from Minny via Houston though. If we invest in WR through the Draft, next year we might not have a 1, but should have a high 2 and cap space to spend for the first time in years.
I like Nabers the most of any wr. I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes before Harrison.
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On 4/6/2024 at 10:58 AM, Mr. WEO said:
sure, they might. That's not the topic.
Outside of O-line (assuming flat earther QB can play), the Jets are loaded.
Well then I guess we should all be thankful that games are not won on paper.
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1 hour ago, ToGoGo said:
He’s not that bad now. Watching him with the Ravens he would be a rich man’s Emmanuel Sanders circa 2021.Admittedly I have not watched him. However I am totally on board for a youth movement. I am so done with older players, ridiculous contracts, oft injured, and underperforming prima donnas that get by on name recognition and not true performance. 1 year at 11 million for obj. This might explain why we early exit each year because these guys over 30 start to break down.
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5 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:
Rebel, with what $ on Adams. Don’t get me wrong, I love the idea if we had cap space. We need an established WR and also trade up in the draft. We basically have $10 mil. In June. That’s why I suggested OBJ as we don’t have to trade for him, amd he wouldn’t be that expensive.
I would absolutely hate that idea. He is not even an average wr. 1400 yds receiving with 11tds over the past 4 years combined is horrific. Any rookie especially in the first two rounds would surpass that.
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1 hour ago, BBFL said:
3-4 years ago? I’d even take the player we saw last year even if it was primarily the first 9 weeks. That’s just me though.Not for that kind of money I wouldn’t. Add on being a total pain in the a$$.
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20 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:
I’m sorry but to say the Bills are going to be better on offense without Diggs and Davis is crazy too me. I like Kincaid and Shakir but you’re not going to convince me having Diggs on the field didn’t open up things for them. I think Kincaid will be a stud for sure…but Shakir let’s pump the breaks on that.
Josh without Diggs on the field is still an unknown. Just a lot of question marks on the offensive side of the ball right now to say they are going to be better.They may not be better, but they may not be worse. I think Curtis Samuel is actually an upgrade over Davis, who disappeared during long stretches of the season. Not to mention shakir actually outplayed Diggs the last 10 games of the season. Is it that far fetched that a rookie can’t come in and play very well? Also let’s not forget that Samuel and said rookie will add speed to the outside which we have been severely lacking. This will help Kincaid, shakir, and cook be more effective underneath. Some people on here lost their minds when Edmunds was not resigned. I knew then that he could be replaced. (Bernard was better) People need to stop being married to the “name” of a player and look at the production. Fact Bills were 6-1 without Diggs being the main focal point. This was absolutely the right call. As a matter of fact I am saying that the bills offense will be every bit as good if not better this season.
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6 minutes ago, LEBills said:
Yea I am fully in the trade back camp. I wanted to draft two WRs early this year but had resigned myself to the idea that 1 would be the max this year and the Diggs replacement would come next year. With that timeline pushed up, I think we have to get 2 early WRs this year and the only way to do that would be to add more day 2 picks. (Miscalculating that comp pick really keeps hurting more and more).Once you get past the top 3, I think guys 4-9 I’d be about equally as happy with and then once you get outside the top 12 non-slot guys it feels like the exciting talent is gone.
So getting two of this top 9 guys would be amazing and feel like 2 first round picks in my own mind. Though I think the third we pull in the trade back packaged with our second would probably be enough to move up high enough to pull this off
Exactly where my head is at as well.
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1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
I'd be good with all sorts of combos! I'd LOVE finding a way to get both Xavier's
Worthy at 28 or small trade up, then use the 2025 2nd and pick 60 to move way up in Round 2 for Legette100 percent. If there was any year to double dip this would be the year. Especially seeing some of these contracts that have been handed out to the wr position. I absolutely love the idea of getting young studs that have size, speed, and the opportunity to grow with an all pro qb. While at the same time saving money that can be used to address other need areas in the future.
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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Yep.
Option 1: Trade up big, giving up next year's #1, one of next year's #2s and some mid round picks and get into the top 10 for one of the consensus top 3;
Option 2: Trade up smaller giving up one of next year's #2s and a mid round pick for (most likely) Thomas;
Option 3: Take an X receiver at #28 (likely Mitchell or Legette) and a Z type / move receiver at #60;
Option 4: Take a Z type / move receiver at #28 (likely Ladd or Worthy) and trade up in round 2 giving up one of next year's #2s for an X receiver (likely Legette or Coleman) in the 40s.
I think we are going to see one of those 4 options.
How about option 5: two x receivers. Mitchell and Legette would look great in bills uniforms
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13 hours ago, sven233 said:
Diggs is going to be here for at least a couple more years. There is just no justifying anything else with the dead money on his contract. If Diggs truly wanted out, which I don't think he does, he just has to go to Beane and tell him that he will rip up his current deal, agree to one with no guaranteed money, and then get traded. But with the guarantees in his current contract, trading or releasing him would be flat out dumb.
All that said, it's the main reason we have to find our future WR1 in this draft. Diggs, even if he is here, is heading towards WR2 status sooner than later. We need to nail this pick and find a guy that could possibly be ready by the end of this season heading into the Playoffs that can grow into the new go to guy.
But is he though? That’s the real question
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29 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:
The guy is the best WR the Bills ever had. Thanks for this. McDermott better win this thing basically now or I don’t want to keep running this ***** back.
Umm yeah…. There was this guy once named Andre reed
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1 hour ago, TheWeatherMan said:
What we think McBeane will do:
1st: WR
2nd: S
4th: C
4th: WR
What McBeane will do:
1st: DT
2nd: DE
4th: S
4th: CB
And then we will hear the proverbial “beane is a wizard” “in beane we trust” and “big baller beane”.
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10 hours ago, MJS said:
Of course. The Bills are still, and will continue to be, a top 5 team in the NFL. They will likely be in the playoffs fighting for a championship again. We have a Superstar QB in his prime, promising young players, good coaches, and good depth all around. Are we missing some pieces? Probably, but we need to let the off season play out. There is the draft and Beane has until training camp to bring in more talent and retool this roster.
This is one of the premier times to be a Buffalo Bills fan. The team is well respected throughout the league. Players and coaches want to be here. The team has great facilities and is building a new stadium. Each year they reload and try to get better instead of having to make wholesale changes and start over. It's great.
But that’s just it. To me top 5 teams are playing in championship games. I think we are more in the 5-8 range.
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4 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:
End of the day he is just not wort the trouble, my biggest problem last season was his brother on numerous occasions was trashing Allen on twitter. There is no way his brother is doing this unless he is hearing Stefon say bad things about Allen himself. Beane screwed up, he should have traded him right after 13 secs rather than give him that stupid extension. That extension is the biggest reason why we cannot sign free agents
This will most likely be his last season as a Bill. What we do in the draft will likely highlight our intentions moving forward with Diggs. If I’m the bills I would still take two wr in the first four picks.
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Yeah I know right. Making 70 million guaranteed the next three seasons, playing with a generational talent in allen, being loved by the majority of bills fans, being one of the most targeted receivers in the nfl over the past 4 seasons, and reaching multiple pro bowls for the first time in your career. It must have been a real bitter pill to swallow. I feel real bad for him for what he may need to randomly read on twitter and instagram. 🤦 The injustice of it all.