[McDermott Growth/Expectations]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

I think that's very optimistic tbh

 

considering we very nearly missed the playoffs this past yr w a better roster

I feel the same way.  I hope everyone else is right. Because if they do not make the playoffs there are going to be a lot of upset people. 

[McDermott Growth/Expectations]

45 minutes ago, mrags said:

Right? 
 

for a defensive “guru” he sure has a terrible defense in the playoffs EVERY SINGLE YEAR. But apparently I’m an idiot because I don’t know how to cover Travis Kelce. Well, he doesn’t either so I guess he’s no better than me. That’s it, I’m coaching the team this year. 

Can I be your assistant?  I promise I will not call a fake punt at our 30 yd line utilizing Damar Hamlin.

[McDermott Growth/Expectations]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

Yeah, he’s got the 2nd most wins in the last 5 years behind only Andy Reid, he’s won the AFCE 4 years in a row and he has the best winning percentage in franchise history.  That gets you a smoldering hot seat?  I think thought beats emotion in terms of outcomes. My Big Picture with no anger says we are in good hands. 

 

The “fire the bum” crowd are delusional about how hard it is to do better.  I prefer to let him keep doing a great job, and getting better every year. It took Andy Reid a while too. 

Regular season champs.  Great I guess. McDermott is not horrible or a bum. His in game coaching decisions especially in the playoffs at critical junctures vs. other well coached teams leaves a lot to be desired.  I would also counter that many average head coaches would have an outstanding record with josh allen as their qb.  Is McDermott the one to take us to a Super Bowl or afc championship game moving forward?  I’m skeptical. I also take issue with the quote “and getting better every year”.  I see the same coach with same philosophy making critical mistakes in high pressure situations during the playoffs.   I’m glad the bills are relevant, however how much of that is because of josh and beane.  13 second ridiculous, fake punts at your thirty in 3rd quarter with score 20-17. Absurd. Up 13-0 vs Houston only to blow it.  Totally pushed around by Cincy at home.  I’m just not a fan of his at all.  I respect your opinion though.

[McDermott Growth/Expectations]

6 hours ago, Gregg said:

The good - turned around the franchise along with Beane to end the 17-year playoff drought. Lots of successful winning seasons as 6 playoff appearances in 7 years prove.

 

The bad - Zero Super Bowl championships along with zero Super Bowl appearances. 

 

At some point his seat "should" get hot despite the regular season success. I just don't know if Terry will make the change. 

You forgot to add 1 afc championship game appearance. Which he single handily blew. The seat should have been smoldering hot that very day. 

[What kind of season are you expecting from Josh Allen this year?]

Wow!! 95 % polled expect Allen’s stats to be every bit as good or better. In what world does a qb who loses both of his starting wrs have better stats.  I hope all of you are right.  I love Kincaid and shakir.  Not sure about the rest of them. 

[WR Candidates - Who Does Beane Keep?]

38 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

MVS isn’t learning to catch between here and September 

Especially with Josh’s cannon

[Ray Ray Davis pick receiving praise]

4 hours ago, NeverOutNick said:

This is great research and another reason McD needs to be replaced by an offensive mind that will stay with Allen throughout his career like Reid and Mahomes. McD doesn’t bring any value and in most cases restricts Allen from his overall dominance. He’s the coach you bring in for a shift in culture, not to start a dynasty. I’m sure my take will get its share of dislikes and disagrees as per usual but it’s the truth

You sir are spot on.

[Bills Rookie Minicamp]

3 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Keon is the difference between draftnicks and actual scouts rhis dude is going to be a pro bowler within three years 

Here are the last nine receivers drafted in the first round who haven’t reached 600 yards in a season:

John Ross (9th overall pick in 2017)

N’Keal Harry (32nd overall pick in 2019)

Henry Ruggs (12th overall pick in 2020)

Jalen Reagor (21st overall pick in 2020)

Kadarius Toney (20th overall pick in 2021)

Rashod Bateman (27th overall pick in 2021)

Jameson Williams (12th overall pick in 2022)

Jahan Dotson (16th overall pick in 2022)

Treylon Burks (18th overall pick in 2022)

After crunching the numbers, all the wide receivers listed above fall into one of two groups. Except for John Ross.

 

Way too early to make a proclamation one way or the other.  Scouts get it wrong every bit as much as the best draftniks.

 

 

[This Will Be The Make Or Break Year For This Regime]

9 hours ago, H2o said:

I'm not looking for your affirmation, so 

 

The Chiefs did dismantle us in that AFCCG appearance. Even though it was close at halftime, you KNEW which way it was going to go. They dominated from start to finish. They had Allen so frustrated he was chucking the ball at people while on the ground. 

 

The 13 Second game was the next colossal flop by a McDermott led squad. It is one of THE biggest flops in Playoff history. To deny that is to live in delusion. 

 

I like how you mention nothing about how we were completely dominated by the Bengals. Out coached, out played, and ran out of our own house. 

 

Did we not just lose by a FG attempt that went wide right? Yes, yes we did. The difference this time? It was to our arch nemesis at home in the Divisional Round, and not in the SB. And our defense couldn't stop a nose bleed that game. Nothing McDermott schemed really worked, at all. We were only in the game because of Josh and the Hardman fumble at the goal line. 

 

Have we not had 3 OC's on 3 years? Yes, yes we have. I know Daboll got a HC job. There were many people at the time who said they would have rather kept Daboll than McDermott. That we should have made Daboll HC. The relationship he and Josh has been the biggest difference in what we have seen from this offense the last couple of years. The mention of the 3 OC's is talking about the constant change, and instability in that room. Josh is a generational talent, yes, and could probably run an offense himself at this point. Still, I hope Brady is the guy who brings stability and innovation back to that room for everyone else. We shall see. 

 

I'm not throwing crap at the wall. I'm speaking the truth. I believe this entire off-season is going to make or break this regime. If the guys we drafted don't look like any of them are going to be impact players, if Worthy becomes a monster in the KC offense, if our WR group ends up as bad as it looks in comparison to the rest of the NFL right now, if Coleman flops, if we are a middling team that ends up 3rd in the division while missing the Playoffs, if other WR's we passed on look good on the field for their respective teams, then this regime's seats will probably be blazing hot in 2025. It will put on full display the questionable choices they have made, as well as everything prior ending back under the microscope, and the talk will be how they are wasting Allen's prime years. And that's  IF things play out on the wrong side of the "if's" just like I said before. 

Well I will give it to you anyways. 😂 spot on 

[This Will Be The Make Or Break Year For This Regime]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Boy said:

BINGO

And it’s so perplexingly sad

It’s definitely not a champions mentality mindset, that’s for sure.  Bills fans should expect and demand more.  Unfortunately that’s what 20 years of suck does. McDermott and Beane are not horrible.  They are just not good enough.  But then again with josh as your qb he would make many gms and coaches look not horrible.  Yeah I get it beane drafted him.  But at some point something needs to give here.

[This Will Be The Make Or Break Year For This Regime]

4 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Think Jeff Fisher.

Sadly McDermott does just enough to inspire hope.  Yet 0-6 vs division winning teams in the playoffs.  I’m not really sure why anyone would expect something different.  Josh allen put two back to back epic virtually flawless playoff performances and it still wasn’t enough back in 2021.  This is a huge problem. Fake punts at your 30 last year in the 3rd quarter with the score 20-17. Really?  Absolutely absurd. And this is the guy you think is going to exercise good judgment in the future come playoff time?  I guess ignorance is bliss. 

[This Will Be The Make Or Break Year For This Regime]

9 hours ago, H2o said:

We have all seen how things unfolded the last few years. A dismantling in the AFC Championship game by KC, 13 Seconds, the flop against Cincy, and then the recreation of Wide Right. McDermott has had friction with multiple coaches because he can't stop meddling. We've had 3 OC's the last 3 years. Frazier was sent packing, McDermott officially took over the defense, and now Babich is going to be "running" things. We've had some questionable draft choices when there seemed to be better options at the time, usually involving selecting defensive players. Now, because of the way they tried to build this squad, and the unnecessary drama, we are in what Beane calls a "transition" phase. 

 

People love to talk about 2017, how we handed KC Mahomes. Beane wasn't here for that though. It was strictly a McDermott draft based off of the work Whaley and his scouts had done. That draft brought us White, Dawkins, and Milano. If not for the injuries that have derailed White's career, we could talk about the entire situation in a different manner. You can't deny that, right now, Mahomes is on his way to staking a claim at GOAT status. It is what it is. Now fast forward to 2024. Knowing what Allen needed, what this team needed, they traded with KC. With the situation that has unfolded with Rashee Rice, you have to believe KC was looking at WR. They take the WR with the fastest recorded 40 of all time. Me, personally, Worthy doesn't scare me. Yes, he's fast. But he has had some drops and the guy is lighter than my 16 year old at 165lbs. Let him get out there to get squared up by some of these LB's and S's who outweigh him by 30lbs-70lbs. I just don't think he's built to last in this league. I don't see him as Tyreek Hill 2.0 at all. Tyreek is 25lbs heavier than him and is a 4.2 guy in pads, as well as on the track. Still, if I am wrong, the Bills FO just handed KC a guy who will give us fits for years to come. It will be another black eye on this organization from something McDermott, and this time Beane, had hands in. 

 

The "run it back" mentality has bit them this time. Because we were so close in the 13 seconds game, they developed this "run it back" type of mentality. Sure, we changed a player here or there, but many of the pieces have been the same squad since then. The weight is always, squarely, on Josh's shoulders. People try to use KC as a comparison and say look at what they were able to achieve without big name WR's, or whatever else. Well, KC has Mahomes, Andy Reid scheming the offense for Mahomes (probably THE largest difference), one of the greatest TE's ever to play the game, has typically had a top tier OL, a REALLY good defense littered with talent across the board, and a DC in Spagnuolo who has been a part of 4 SB winning defenses. Gabe never developed, Edmunds never developed, Von's knee, Poyer got old, Hyde's neck injury, White constantly on IR, constantly cycling out JAG's to fill holes, constantly rolling with meh WR's (outside of Diggs, who became more trouble than he was worth), keeping together a middling OL because Josh makes them look better than they actually are, defensive instability, and have changed the guy calling the offense out 3 times in 3 years. Now, on top of that, we find ourselves in Cap purgatory and still no closer to the goal we wish to achieve. 

 

Going into the 2024 draft, a blind man could see Josh needed weapons on the outside. We had big shoes to fill in Diggs and we needed an upgrade on what Gabe Davis was in this offense. Shakir has shown promise, but he's primarily been used in the Slot. We signed Curtis Samuel, who has primarily been a Slot guy as well. After that we were left with a bunch of JAG's we already had. In the best WR class in at least 10 years, we come away with one WR. I'm not counting the camp fodder UDFA's. We drafted ONE guy. Opinions vary on that one guy. He is truly a boundary WR though. Still, you would have thought this team would have doubled up on boundary guys for the sake of giving their generational talent QB more to work with. Instead they throw all their eggs in one basket by going Safety, DT, and RB with their next 3 selections. Kirby mentioned it in another thread, and I have to concur, that this team looks to have a bottom 5 WR group right now. Until proven otherwise on the field, it is what it is. I think it is a failure, as well as a disservice to JA17, to only have come away with one WR out of this class. This doesn't mean I hate our draft, or grade it an F. I just think it's par for the course we've already seen from this regime, a course that has always seen us come up short.

 

In the end, I think this year will be the make or break for both Beane and McDermott. To continue to do things the same way and expect different results is madness. If the players they drafted become a foundational youth movement, if you can see the results on the field as to what they were drafted for, if Samuel, Shakir, and Coleman make for a dangerous group, if we can transition on the fly like KC did a couple years ago, and if we didn't just make the KC offense unstoppable again, then they'll be around for a while. But there are A LOT of "if's" in that statement. At some point you have to pull the plug if it's not getting you any closer to what should be the goal of every franchise in professional sports, a championship. We shall see. 

Even if the Bills didn’t make the playoffs this year and Coleman underperforms, I doubt many of those in disagreement would still call for them to be fired. So I guess the next question is at what point should the plug be pulled?  Two seasons, three seasons, never?  I was done at 13 seconds. I think many are just happy to be relevent and entertained.  

[First look at Bills 2024 roster]

14 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

Our draft is over, so here is my first look at 2024 roster. I included 9 rookies, I guess all of them have a good chance. I know a lot will change; this is just a projection for fun/discussion.

 

51 players already on the roster. I am pretty sure we add veteran WR through FA or trade, and I also think we will sign some cheap vet CB. I listed some other relevant players who did not make it.

 

What do you guys think? Rookies are in green.

 

Offense (25)

QB: Allen, Trubisky (2)

OT: Dawkins, Brown, Van Demark, Collins, Grable (5)

IOL: McGovern, Torrence, Edwards, Van Pran, Anderson (5)

WR: Coleman, Samuel, Shakir, FA/trade, Hollins, Shorter (6)

TE: Kincaid, Knox, Morris, Gilliam (4)

RB: Cook, Davis, Johnson (3)

 

Not included – Doyle, Clapp, Clayton, Hamler, Isabella

 

Defense (25)

DE: Miller, Rousseau, Epenesa, Solomon, Jonathan (5)

DT: Oliver, Jones, Carter, Johnson (4)

LB: Milano, Bernard, Williams, Ulofoshio, Spector, Morrow (6)

CB: Douglas, Benford, Elam, Johnson, Hardy, FA (6)

S: Bishop, Edwards, Rapp, Lewis (4)

 

Not included – Toohill, Williams, Ankou, Hamlin, Ingram

 

ST: Bass, Martin, Ferguson (3)

Let me be the first to say it: “Super Bowl!! Beane is a wizard!!”

[The "who I would've drafted instead" re-draft, 2024 edition. Are you smarter than the GM?]

23 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

you should be able to undo a trade down, because that's some lame ass *****, especially letting KC go ahead. Might as well hold the door for them and bow

pathetic, he went to business school have some confidence

If that’s the case he may need to go back, after some of these ridiculous signings the past few years.

[Beane on WR "We worked out a guy today we are going to end up signing"]

12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Lol, this is the saddest thread on here in a while. There are people on here that think this WR room is good. We are now suggesting ways to make it even better!! People are talking about adding (in no particular order): Chase Claypool, Kenny Golladay, washed Michael Thomas, washed OBJ, and washed Allen Robinson.
 

What are we doing here? The Bills needed to upgrade the WR room. They needed 2 boundary receivers at the top of the depth chart. They added one guy that was the most polarizing WR prospect, in arguably the greatest WR draft ever. That’s a massive failure. You aren’t going to dig yourself out by adding Kenny Golladay. As it stands the Bills have the worst WR group in the NFL. The TEs are good and the backs can catch but the WRs are last IMO.

I agree with everything you said.  However I don’t want to underestimate Khalil shakir and dalton kincaid.  If both continue to improve and Curtis Samuel with josh allen clicks, the wr room may not be as bleak as we think.

[If you’re upset about the WR room - BLAME DIGGS]

11 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

I’m sorry what other way was there? Giving up a ton a draft picks for a rookie? Who says the teams that picked the top 3 WRs even wanted to trade down? You are the people making up these ridiculous unrealistic situations that aren’t based in reality. 

Here again that post was in regards to having both mcconkey and Mitchell. No one said anything about trading up in the top three.

[If you’re upset about the WR room - BLAME DIGGS]

2 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

Oh I know Beane should have traded the next 4 first round picks to the Vikings to get Jefferson lol. Some of you people are beyond ridiculous with the whining about not having a top 5 receiver. 

Who cares? You think Ladd and Mitchell are top 10 receivers? We drafted Coleman. How do you even know he’s not going to grow into his role. The whining is out of control. 

Now who is being ridiculous. Says the person making outlandish claims to substantiate a fake narrative. Oh I get it you just don’t like it when people have a different opinion than you, then you try to discredit them by making them appear unreasonable.  Genius. 

[If you’re upset about the WR room - BLAME DIGGS]

5 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

Yea Josh was on board because Diggs is selfish ####### 

Even if they drafted a 4th round rookie how does that make up for losing diggs? It doesn’t. We will figure it out by committee and running the ball this year. 

Who said it had to be a fourth round rookie.  Bills could have easily had both Ladd and a Mitchell 

[What picks did you like, said ok, and hate?]

Would have liked Ladd McConkey at 33 and a trade up for Mitchell in the mid fourties’.  I am just not high on Coleman at all. 4 years and 5 100 yd games. Way too much of a bust potential in my opinion. 

[Beane: "This team is in transition"]

1 minute ago, Beast said:

And if Diggs didn’t drop that pass….and if we didn’t have any injuries on defense…..

 

Are you saying the Bills team that takes the field won’t be as good as the one that left the field that night against KC?

Yes. Yes I am. 9-8.

[Beane: "This team is in transition"]

4 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Yeah and if they didn't fumble on our goal line they would have lost by two scores or more.

Exactly. People seem to forget that boneheaded call.  If he didn’t fumble people would be a lot more upset with McDermott. 

[UDFA signing thread. 10 Signed 5 camp invites as of 07:39, 28 April]

35 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Everybody happy now? We got a receiver named Xavier!

But is he worthy of being on the bills?

[Beane: "This team is in transition"]

14 minutes ago, julian said:

This roster hasn’t had the amount of blue chip players the other contenders have had the last four years, 2nd most wins in the league over that time, so it’s coaching or the QB and we all know it isn’t coaching carrying this team.

 

 I really hope this “transition” is quick and successful or Allen will have people whom he trusts in his ear telling him to go somewhere that will lean into surrounding him with real talent to win a title.

And early exits each and every year. Regular season champions. Greeeaaattt.

[Logic's Buffalo Bills Draft Review -- The more things change, the more they stay the same]

16 minutes ago, appoo said:

I guess I'm also a person who just wants my team to consistently contend. Maybe it's because I started rooting for the Bills in the early 80s, and thus spent my formative 20s in the midst of the drought and having the Rob Johnson/Dough Flutie Bills be the best teams since the SB years. 

 

At this point, I think coaching and GMs job is just to keep your roster contending for a championship, and anything after that is basically a crapshoot that's gonna come down to super specific matchups, luck, and the occasional transcendent talent coming through. 

 

This draft, the cap manuevers, and increased top 5 round picks, will keep the bills contending for another 5+ years, and that's all, I, as a fan, can ask for

Yes preserving one’s job is great. The goal should be to win the damn Super Bowl.  Let’s be clear when you are losing in the second round every year you are not contending for anything. A Josh allen led team should be playing in afc championship games and superbowls. I guess I was just spoiled from the bills in the 90’s.  Because those Super Bowl runs were magical.  They were truly in contention.  This team seems farther and farther from contention with each passing year. I guess I just expect more when I have a qb arguably better than Jim Kelly and most likely making the hall of fame if he stays healthy. Such a damn waste. It’s criminal. 

[Beane: "This team is in transition"]

6 minutes ago, zevo said:

5th lowest odds according to the sports books. People on here continue to cry. Reality is they are still players for the Super Bowl 

Oh boy 

Don’t confuse crying with stating some uncomfortable truths. Sometimes the truth hurts.

 

“First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. And then they attack you and want to burn you. And then they build monuments to you.”

― Nicholas Klein

 

They may not build monuments to people who question or criticize the front office.  But give it another three years of this and more people will want beane and McDermott gone.  People need to start being more objective when evaluating beane and McDermott.  People forget that it was beane who got us into this rebuild phase in the first place.