[Peterman pros and cons...]

5 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

Did you watch the Chargers game?  Did you see the dropped pick six in third preseason game against second string DB?  How many INTs do you think this team can withstand and still win?  

He threw two outside gifts in the pre season

[Peterman pros and cons...]

Can the O line hold up and offense pay mistake free ball?  Peterman doesn't strike me as a big play type QB.  With this offense is he going to be able to dink and dunk and assemble long drives?  I just don't see it. Ravens dbs are going to be squatting on everything short and gambling for picks. He has to make them pay early over the top.  Were going to find out quick just how good of a playcaller Dabol is.  Gailey made Fitz and a bunch of scrubs work, anything is possible

[Judging Beane’s decisions so far]

2017 draft gets credited to Beane or Whaley?

[Who is Beane’s next trade chip?]

If he could get a 2nd for Shady pull the trigger.  Were not going anywhere till they groom a qb.  He's getting up there for  rb and has a fairly big salary. If you are gonna rebuild then rebuild.  I'd love if they traded Clay  get that bloated contract off the books.  His knees were shot when we acquired him

[AJ gone and no vet QB, are your expectations lower?]

He had no affect  coming or going.  I figured he was the insurance plan if the draft didn't work out  Peterman improving made him expendable. No more place holders.  Play Allen , he doesn't work out go draft another till you find the guy. Meantime now that the old  roster debris has been cleansed start on building a young nucleus of above average starters with the draft.  Last years draft they got Tre and Dawkins might end up being pretty good.   2016 a wash unless Lawson gets it going. 2015 draft we got nothing. 2014 draft nothing.    Till they start hitting and retaining 2/3 quality starters per draft were going nowhere. 

[Judging Beane’s decisions so far]

I have no problem with the moves to get Allen and Edmunds.  We'll see how they pan out in the next 2-3 years but both had huge upside. Bills fans have been clamoring for a 1st round qb for over a decade.   Free agency is tougher to gauge because it seems like far more of the deals don't pan out than do and all the teams seem to overpay.  Sammy got 16 mill a year  .  That seems absurd.  

[77% were wrong believing our HC wouldn't be fooled by the mirage of preseason, but the Allen Era begins week 2!]

Honestly I lack patience so lets get the Josh Allen show on.

[Judging Beane’s decisions so far]

The judgement will come from what he does with all that cap space and picks plus Josh Allen.  Clearing all that cap space is nice but if he whiffs on all these free agent moves he'll be gone and we'll be rebuilding yet again.  Realistically what is the core of this team right now going forward?

[Sal Carpaccio: Corey Coleman Is In Trouble]

He must be a real meathead.  It was unusual to see the Browns cut that high of a pick so soon and now we know why.  Given the state of the Bills WR core he must be a mental basket case not make this team  .  Kind of bummed, I was hoping we'd get lucky and get a starter WR out of him

[Fitzpatrick may keep the starting job!]

Winston continues to do stupid things he'll be out of the league.  Fitzpatrick is easy to root for. 

[Bills @ da Bears 1st Half Thread]

McCaron is pretty awful.  Given the Bengals never even considered giving him a shot even when Dalton had his struggles what did we expect

[If McCarron plays the whole game it has to be Allen day 1]

Not sure I understand the logic of AJ for the entire game.  I would understand Peterman or Allen not playing because they are the starter..  What is McDermotts thought process on this?

[Looks like AJM might play the whole game?]

pretty lame  I want to see Josh Allen

[Michael Lombardi: Start Josh Allen; 'Ridiculous' to play Nate Peterman because offensive line stinks]

Lets bubble wrap Josh Allen put him in a box that says don't open till 2020 and put him in the closet. That should be about the time the O Line gets fixed.

[Ian Rapoport: "Josh Allen is not quite ready" to start]

9 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

This.  The OL was terrible but Allen was, as one lineman put it, "shook" from the jump.  Understandably so - but it won't help him to start right away, especially given the brutal schedule.  He'll take a beating and they'll be losing games.  Better for him to sit and get ready to come in and help them finish the season strong, which will build more confidence heading into 2019.  Sorry, that's just the reality of it.

That's laughable that Allen took the blame for the O line and Marshall Newhouse goes out and throw him under the bus  Anybody was shook it was the center of the O line where they got walked right back repeatedly

[This Was Always a Quiet Rebuild]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

There's only a few people on here that would tell you Peterman or McCarron are definite upgrades over Tyrod. Most probably feel the same way about it that I do. I already know Tyrod isn't franchise caliber. He had his 3 years. It's over. I don't know that about Peterman and McCarron yet. Well I'm pretty sure I know what McCarron is at this point, but definitely not Peterman. However small the probability he still has a chance to be a franchise caliber QB. I'd rather have that small chance than Tyrod's mediocre-at-best play.

You nailed it  Media clowns bringing up Tyrod is a joke.  If we had a top 5 defense and if we had a top 5 running game we could win with Tyrod and it would still be week to week depending on how well the other had a game plan. I'd rather have Allen and give him the next three years to show he can give the Bills a  legitimate chance to win any week against any opponent.  There were games the past three years that you knew it was over after one quarter once teams figured out Tyrod's limitations

 

Keep drafting the other holes and if Allen isn't the guy you go out and try again in 2021  Peterman is a stop gap of developmental #2 unless you can coach arm strength.  Drew Brees is one qb I can think of who came in with limited arm and a few years later could throw to the outside numbers

[Cover 1: Aaron Quinn's "Closing Arguments" Case for Starting Allen]

I figure Peterman starts. Coaching staff seems to have some hard on for Nate.  Think its a win/win if he goes out there day 1  He does well fantastic, Josh can sit back and soak it up on the sideline.  If Nate struggles we'll see Josh Allen soon anyway.  I just dont want the Bills to start Josh Allen and pull him for Peterman or worse AJ.  Once they make the decision to go with Allen that's it  Don't go back and forth and kill any chance the guy has.  Don't turn it into Losman/Edwards part Two

[Reality vs. hysteria]

Clay will be gone soon  Contract Whaley designed was terrible especially given Clay already had knee issues  On the bright side Bills backup TE's look to have some talent  Croom looks intriguing

[Do you keep Coleman just because of the $3.5 Million cap hit]

They need to find some long term answers at WR so the investment in a young player who was a high draft pick just two years seems a worthy one at its cost.  Benjamin wont be here in 2019 (I'd be shocked) Is Zay Jones the player who set records at college or the invisible man from last year  Rest are scrubs/special teams guys

[Lacanfora: Bills have reached out to Raiders about Khalil Mack trade]

19 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yup. You don't use high 1st round picks on O-linemen. You spend them on elite pass rushers. I'm still all in on trading for Mack although I highly doubt it will actually happen.

Left tackle would be exception  I don't see Beane trading away a ton of assets for Mack

[Every Josh Allen snap in Bengals Preseason Game 3]

I think Bills have more pressing concerns on offense that Allen or Peterman . 1st team OL has looked bad in each game.  1st team WR's and Clay look like they are running in sand.  Shady is one year older.

[Do you keep Coleman just because of the $3.5 Million cap hit]

 He's a reclamation project with upside  Let's see if the Bills can motivate him  Evidently the Browns said he lacked effort/preparation

[Every Josh Allen snap in Bengals Preseason Game 3]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

He had of sacks past 2-2.5. seconds, play not there throw it away.  He has to learn to throw it away, he tries to be a hero too often, escape backwards, that worked well at Wyoming, wont work as well in the NFL where all the defenders are quick. He worst pass which should have been intercepted was symptomatic of his day.    And if you are going to get sacked, learn to step up in the pocket and lose 2 yards not 10 or 15.

Step up where?  Bengals pushed the Bills interior lineman straight backwards immediately.  Atkins tossed Duccasse like a bean bag right into Allen

[OBJ Signs Record Deal]

Good for him  Hope he puts the money to some worthy use

[Every Josh Allen snap in Bengals Preseason Game 3]

No QB can deal with immediate pressure up the middle.  O line was horrible.  Really should have been 7 or 8 sacks but he was able to pull away from tackles. In a regular season game they would quickly put in one step throws and some screens/draws to help negate the pressure. There was no adjustment just three step drop with immediate pressure right in his face mask at the top of the drop. With that said,he didn't appear scared or rattled.  He'll be fine, he looks far more polished than what I expected .  They can roll out Peterman week one just don't have him throw any outs.  They better keep all 3 qbs, with this OL expect some missed games