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13 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:
I still need an explanation of what the heck the above bolded claim actually means, before we move on to sorting out what the below means.
Do you need an interpreter? It means exactly what it says. Cook’s first three years are better than any back making more(Henry, Barkley and McCaffrey) with his production and health (availability)and team accomplishments.He should get a second deal soon.
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10 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:
If we can sort of set aside his ridonkulous rushing TD total in '24, Cook was actually more productive overall in '23 in 3 fewer starts, and especially more productive in the passing game. In 2024, Ty Johnson really ate into Cook's passing volume following his own tantalizing 100% catch rate in limited 2023 action: 7/7 (LOL) for 62 yards, 2 1sts, and a TD. Johnson still has not recorded a dropped pass in 2 seasons with the Bills, despite an uptick in targets and a jump in depth of target. And he can pass block, apparently, at a higher level.
The RB room in 2025 is probably as close to McBeane's ideal vision as we're going to get, unless there is some absolute RB UNIT (big Wisconsin/Alabama style back) available on late day 2/early day 3 of the 2026 draft...to replace Cook and spell Davis on early downs and short yardage.
Name the Alabama/Wisconsi back not named Henry, who’s incidentally 32 and making 15million, in the NFL the last 10 years, who is as productive and as durable as Cook. Don’t be misled, Beane’s reluctance to pay Cook is because he played fast and loose with FAs on PEDs and extensions to CBs who could lose a season with one more concussion or TEs who have no receptions but are good friends with Josh. If Cook plays on the same trajectory as the last 3 seasons he’ll be more expensive than extending him now.
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15 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
Well, that's a big if.
IMO the reason he didn't get more snaps last year was because of the deficits in his game. He's not a true smash-mouth short yardage hammer and he can't pass-block well. And Johnson's a better receiving back.
If Cook improves his pass-blocking and pass-catching, maybe he'll get more snaps. And if that does happen, you could easily be right that he might get his 15M. Far from a sure thing that he'll make those improvements, though.
Nor is it a sure thing that he ends up with a similar amount of TDs next year. Last season was a wild outlier in terms of TDs. My guess if given the same opportunities again next year he'd end up with closer to 7 - 10 TDs. Which is still damn good. But it's no 16 TDs. We'll have to see how it all turns out.
But there's no particular reason to think that if we get rid of Cook that our run game would be "underachieving," your word there. I'd agree they'd have less of a threat to break one big, certainly. But our offense was still exceptionally good when our RBs were Singletary and Moss.
Why such a critical bent towards a guy that has been better each year with tremendous production. He’s not a traditional smash mouth runner but what back in football was better in the red zone. Instead of acknowledging his nose for pay dirt you prefer to call his season an aberration. Please don’t compare Motor or Moss to Cook. Cook has been better than any back in football his first three seasons considering health and production. I’m so tired of using his pass blocking as a knock against Cook. Josh had 8 sacks the whole year. If we want to take advantage of Cook’s skills, Brady has to isolate him on LBs and safeties in the passing game more, get him out more on screens and make him feel wanted. You’re deluding yourself thinking you can just insert another back and not take a step backwards. Singletary and Moss were just OK and any success we had was due in large part to Joshcentric offense with Diggs,Davis and Beasley producing in their prime. I think 2 to 3 more attempts a game for Cook is the sweet spot to maximize production and keep him fresh for the postseason.
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On 6/29/2025 at 8:00 PM, Mister Defense said:
I agree.
It is something that has not been part of the conversation enough, though there are a slew of posts and threads--doesn't almost everyone who has been watching think Cook will have a monster year this year? Love me some Brady, maybe the next great offensive coordinator/offensive minded head coach in the NFl, but the one area he dropped the ball on a little last year was not riding Cook, and his other excellent backs, in both the running and passing game. This year he gets it from the get go, is my prediction. Josh Allen, the best quarterback in the league, may have the best running game too. Yikes, for the rest of the league if so.
I already know he is, saw it with my own eyes, but by the middle of this season, if all goes as planned, almost no one on here will be saying Cook is not an elite back--and one of the best players in the league. (Doc, they may take away your medical license for your poor diagnosis, evaluation!)
The Chiefs and other contenders without a Cook would be licking their chops...but they will go hungry because Cook will be signed, sealed and delivered, a Bill for years to come. If not, 20 million a year may be what he garners, as the running games take on even more importance than last year.
Maybe wishful thinking, but I hope not.
Great take, the idea of stringing this out just because his history is not resigning RBs for big money after their rookie deal is fine with questionable backs but Cook’s 3 years is better than any back in the league from the standpoint of production and staying healthy.
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5 hours ago, Mister Defense said:
Yup, and I think Josh Allen is extremely cognizant of how vital the running game has been, and Cook in particular, to his and the offense's overall success. When the Bills have run the ball more over the last four years they became almost unbeatable. When not, things get much less consistent. Dorsey's failures in that area were a major reason he was fired and why he cannot be an offensive coordinator in the NFL--and why Daboll will not be a head coach for long. He let Barkley get away!
I think this is why my concern that Cook goes into this season without a new contract have diminished lately, especially after Josh's words during minicamp. I strongly believe a new contract is coming soon, maybe before training camp, but some time before the season.
The last thing Beane, McDermott, and Allen want in the preseason and season is the major distraction that Cook-in-Limbo would cause. They believe this is their championship year and know Cook at his best, including mentally, is a vital part of that. My guess? A week before training camp.
A week before camp is fine because this window between now and camp is the cheapest Cook will ever be. It needs to happen before the season starts.
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My prediction is if Cook has a season with more carries and more production than last season, teams will be lining up to give him 15million plus. Beane is steadfast about not paying him now but when Josh has an underachieving running game with less of a threat to break a big run, the offense will be limited to mostly Josh and the passing game. That’s not the formula we used to make him the MVP and get to within a win of the SB.
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On 6/4/2025 at 12:48 PM, klos63 said:
He's very dangerous as a receiver. He's not dropping a lot of passes.
I've been watching highlights from last season. Cook is dynamic, one of the best backs on the league. I really want to see him signed to an extension.
He's worth big money.
Why is there anyone who disagrees? If we blow this and he leaves, we’ll truly be wasting Josh’s prime years.
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On 4/15/2025 at 11:20 AM, DallasBillsFan1 said:
He's the #2 offensive weapon on the team IMO. Maybe not worth $15m though. No new info here, but he'll be a Bill in 2025 then likely move on. I don't think Beane wants to spend on that position. Cook is not elite, but he's a very good RB. He hasn't been loud or annoying enough ... yet.
Stop worrying about Terry’s money. Cook is the best back in the AFC from the standpoint of youth/production. Beane hasn’t established he won’t spend on him, just not now. One more big year everyone on this board will be on board with a second contract. I say do it now and save cap space.
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22 hours ago, dcinmuncie said:
if king Henry is worth 15 million, james is not. that contract really hurt his value, IMO
Are you forgetting Cook is only 25 and he outplayed Henry in the divisional head to head in the biggest game of his career.Give Cook more touches and you’ll see more production in yardage and TDs. Beane is mishandling this negotiation. He could have had him for $42 for 3 years with $35 guaranteed. How many mediocre backs have we had since Thurman. Even Lynch, who was good, was crazy when he was here and had to go. Sign Cook before he has another great year and he becomes even more expensive.
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12 minutes ago, Simon said:
He was absolutely tentative in the first half of the season after missing so much time early. No confidence in his reads, flat-footed because he didn't trust himself, bad angles as a result of hesitation. But by the latter part of the year he was definitely showing the willingness to come downhill hard and attack ballcarriers. He was still making the occasional mistake because he was so dialed in on his assignment that he didn't have the confidence to play the whole field, but there was no lack of aggression in his game. He is absolutely willing to stick his face in the fan.
I have. Multiple times.
It was cool.
Sorry you missed it.
Nice to be arbitrary, but do you think he’s been a good tackler or aggressive enough. You remember him on the biggest stage against KC , having control on an apparent INT, and watching the receiver taking it away from him with more want to. He hasn’t shown anything and his stats on tackles, breakups and assists bear it out. You want to ignore what’s plain to see, that’s ok.
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3 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said:
I feel a need to be reassured by the board. I get a creeping fear - which can only be based on some weird, deep-seated prejudice -- that Cole Bishop may well lack the toughness to be an NFL strong safety. Maybe he looks a little bit too much like a choirboy. Maybe he is too handsome and I am secretly jealous. I am 100% rooting for him. I know he has the height, weight and speed. But I look at him and think "likely to be scheme sound." No, please! I want to look at him and say "geez, I would sure hate to be a running back and see that animal flying downhill at me. Snot flying, drool dripping, that dude is going to wreck someone." I want to think - wide receiver over the middle? Not worried about it, Bishop will get there and lay the MoFo out. They may complete one, but it will be VERY expensive for them.
Tell me I am stupid, a hater or just off base. I really liked the pick when they made it, I am hoping he grows into a silent assassin on the back-end. Even if he is scheme sound too (and I know he wasn't always that last year either). Let's go Cole - cheering for you, and want to feel stupid for doubting you. I may have to buy a Bishop jersey just to exorcise my doubts. Thoughts?
The reason you feel that way is because Bishop doesn’t pass the eye test. He’s soft and often out of position on pass coverage. I’ve yet to see him put a hard lick on a TE coming over the middle or plug up a hole against a big back like Henry or Mixon. The reluctance of oblivious fans to accept what they see, not withstanding, we need a more physical and aggressive safety. Beane hangs his hat on the Allen pick and he’s had some other great picks and acquisitions(Cook,Brown, Benford, Shakir, Oliver,etc) but he’s also had some clunkers. Elam, Miller, Kincaid, and Bishop come to mind. I haven’t given up on Kincaid but Bishop just doesn’t show any of the attributes of the kind of safety we need.
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Get ready for an injury riddled experience with Bosa. He never plays in the latest iteration of his career. The reason he is here is because he signed a one year deal at a reasonable price, but this is justification for Cook demanding an extension. Cook has done nothing but perform at a top 5 RB in football level for 3 years without injury and he’s only 25. You want to say an edge rusher is more important to a team than a guy who scores 16 TDs and runs for a thousand yds on 200 carries and averaged 5 yds a rush and is a weapon that in the passing game. Only if that edge stays on the field and produces.
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Josh Allen is the epitome of the Clint Eastwood, Stallone unstoppable force Everyman hero, dressed in a Bills uniform. From the time he hurdled that LB against Minnesota.Every fan who endured 3 decades of substandard QB play and seasons ending in the middle of November, saw this young mega talent as the savior of family’s hopes and dreams for the next 10 to 15 years. Sure enough he delivered.
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If Kincaid is a talent that warranted a first round pick it’s now or never. There is also the troubling fact that after paying Knox as a top tier TE, Brady hardly ever designs plays for him in the passing game. What a waste if you’re going 12 personnel in a meaningful percentage of plays. Kincaid has been ok but his college performance was exceptional so what has been the problem. Is our coaching the problem because the TEs have been lacking?
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29 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:
More power to him. If we sign him to the contract he is looking for, which high priced player on our roster do you cut? In mho he is no Derek Henry.
He’s not Henry but he’s a big part of our offense. He’s also 25 and plays every game. If Brady uses him in the last two drives against KC, we might have gone to the SB. You think nothing of paying Benford $20 million and he’s a concussion away from being in danger of losing his career. Since Thurman, how many game changing backs have we wasted high draft choices on who were either injury riddled and mediocre or head cases like Lynch. We can have Cook for 3 or four more years at reasonable rates compared to the increased price structure greatl RBs will be demanding after Barkley and Henry’s deal. It’s because of the threat of Cook that Josh has been so prolific.
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5 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said:
But Cook has an over inflated ego that puts him equal to Henry, in his own mind.
Inflated ego? He’s 25 and Henry will be 33 during the season. Cook had 1000 yards n 200 carries and 16 TDs. He’s getting better and more valuable to a team that played in AFC Championship,every year. The position has a 4 to 6 year window if you stay injury free. He’s got to get his money within the next year. You want him to say he doesn’t deserve to get paid? He plays 16 or 17 games every year and is a matchup nightmare out of the backfield in the passing game. If he goes for 1200 yds and they get to another championship game, would he be worth Henry money then?
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37 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
You can compare stats to historical output. The 2024 Bills had the fewest negative plays EVER. Not just for the Bills, of any team ever. Is it reasonable to believe that, for a 2nd consecutive year, they won’t do something that no team in history has ever done? Common sense says it regresses even if it’s still good. The Bills could be a top 5 turnover differential team and that would be a massive step back from where they were. They were a statistical outlier.
I believe that Coleman and Kincaid will improve some. I think Palmer and Moore are decent role players. They are as good as Mack was. But will that offset the regression in terms of “luck?” The pass catchers are near the bottom of the league. That’s not really debatable. The question is, “will it matter?” It didn’t last year but they had incredible luck and health on the OL. They were awesome. If any of that changes, the talent becomes more important. Is it enough?
I believe the defensive additions will make a difference there. I expect the defense to be better. I don’t expect them to turn the ball over more. I do expect more pass rush though. I expect better run defense too.
I expect the Bills to compete for the Super Bowl. That doesn’t mean that they are perfect. If they do fall short of their goal, what will be the reason? My guess is that it’s the lack of playmakers and questionable coaching. The defense will be better and Josh is incredible.
Historical output with bad QBs and offensive attacks doesn’t compare to Josh and our O-line. I agree we’re not expecting our two wideouts to be the Bengals receivers but expect Moore, Palmer and our 2nd year receiver (Coleman) and our 1st round drafted TE (Kincaid) to be markedly improved.
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26 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
You can compare stats to historical output. The 2024 Bills had the fewest negative plays EVER. Not just for the Bills, of any team ever. Is it reasonable to believe that, for a 2nd consecutive year, they won’t do something that no team in history has ever done? Common sense says it regresses even if it’s still good. The Bills could be a top 5 turnover differential team and that would be a massive step back from where they were. They were a statistical outlier.
I believe that Coleman and Kincaid will improve some. I think Palmer and Moore are decent role players. They are as good as Mack was. But will that offset the regression in terms of “luck?” The pass catchers are near the bottom of the league. That’s not really debatable. The question is, “will it matter?” It didn’t last year but they had incredible luck and health on the OL. They were awesome. If any of that changes, the talent becomes more important. Is it enough?
I believe the defensive additions will make a difference there. I expect the defense to be better. I don’t expect them to turn the ball over more. I do expect more pass rush though. I expect better run defense too.
I expect the Bills to compete for the Super Bowl. That doesn’t mean that they are perfect. If they do fall short of their goal, what will be the reason? My guess is that it’s the lack of playmakers and questionable coaching. The defense will be better and Josh is incredible.
Pretty good analysis, but the cap situation clearly prevented additional acquisitions. My hope is that we can find a way to retain Cook before he becomes even more expensive. He’s really good.
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49 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I think that this is a major part of the disconnect. Just because he doesn’t “need” a number 1 doesn’t mean that the offense wouldn’t be better with one. That’s obvious. The question becomes, can they keep winning with a bottom 5 WR room? We all hope so. Would they be better off if you plugged Metcalf at the top of the depth chart (for example)? Of course they would.
You need to remember that the Bills were +24 in turnover differential last year. No other team was more than +16. Other than that no other team was more than +12!! That’s a massive gap. If the Bills even fall to 3rd best in turnover differential we are talking about almost an extra turnover a game that they either commit on offense or don’t get on defense. This is often lost in these conversations. The Bills had the fewest negative plays ever (turnovers and sacks). We shouldn’t expect that again or even close to it. When that regresses, even if it’s still good, will the playmakers around Josh be good enough to overcome it?
You can’t compare stats from one season to the next because the roster will be different. Maybe Palmer and Moore improve the receiver production and Kincaid and Coleman do what they’re supposed to do. we’re talking about a different animal. I’m confident Cook will be highly motivated in his walk year. Offense will not be a problem with Josh making everyone better. If you believe in the defensive additions, we’ll be right there.
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7 hours ago, billsfan89 said:
I think another underrated aspect of this offense is that all 3 RB's are capable of catching the ball out the back field and even the Full Back Gilliam is a solid pass catcher. Meaning that the Bills unlike a lot of teams always have good pass catchers out of the backfield.
Great take, Josh doesn’t need #1s because we’re going to run the ball down team’s throats and make underrated receivers have the best yeats of their careers. With our defense improved, I’ve never been more optimistic.
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Kincaid was unstoppable in college but he has been a disappointment. He gets knocked around and doesn’t make the tough catches you want a blocking challenged TE to make, When you compare him to the top TEs in football, he seems timid.
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On 4/27/2025 at 3:50 AM, Pete said:
Who is our outside WRs? Where are they? Did Keon play so good that we can count on him to be WR2? Is Palmer WR 1? Can we count on Samuels to be healthy the entire season? Who is our 5th WR?
Palmer 1
Keon 2
Shakir slot
Samuels
Buffalo saw more man to man coverage last season, because no one respects our WR. We have had FA and the draft to correct that, and Beane has done Jack *****.
its going to take another Ravens curb stomping to make Beane panic and make another Amari like trade.
It’s the emperors new clothes. We have yet to replace John Brown. This offense needs a vertical component which it is sorely lacking.
I know Bills had great offense- after we acquired Amari.
We lose Mack and Amari, and added Palmer.
Name a worse WR group.
What happens if there is a WR injury? Is WR Beanes Achilles heal?
We have a run heavy offense with Cook, Johnson and Davis and good O-line. Our slot is arguably the best in football (Shakir) and with an underachieving Coleman and Kincaid we were bad officiating on a 4th down QB sneak away from getting to the SB. Amari was either hurt or shot,Mack was a nice 5th receiver but Moore and Palmer will be much more productive. What you are ignoring is Josh makes everyone better because of his arm talent and escape ability. We also have 2 good receivers coming out of the backfield in Cook and Johnson. You can be a doomsayer or you can accept reality.
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1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said:
I was a huge Moore fan coming out of the darft, and stoked to have him, but he is not a vertical threat guy. Hes a YAC on short routes guy.
I agree, maybe with Josh we can deploy him differently. I thought he was a primary target for Winston and Deshaun. My prediction is he plays his best football for us.&
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49 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Our most receptions last year was Shakir with 76. Next highest was Kincaid at 44... There's no way Moore is getting more than 80. First he has to make the team.
Make the team? Do you just rattle off frivolous , silly comments like that?. On a one year hometown deal with an opportunity to ride the greatness of Josh to a multi year deal somewhere, he’s the vertical threat on the team with experience and great motivation. He’s making the team. To me, he’s a better option than Coleman with more speed and separation. Josh spreads it around( everyone eats mentality) so Shakir will get his but I easily see Moore getting 41/2 to 5 receptions average.
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Is Cook worth it?
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Great runners/pass catchers are rarely great blockers. If a guy is a monster in the red zone(16 TDs) and gets 1M on 200 carries, and a matchup nightmare catching passes against LBs and safeties. you just live with his blocking deficiencies. Henry and Barkley both come out on obvious passing downs. If you’re a good fan, stop dwelling on blocking and acknowledge what this guy has accomplished and his trajectory. What do you care about whether he gets 14 or 15 a year. It’s what is guaranteed and we need a great running game in Josh’s prime(28-32).