YodaMan79
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I'm always a little surprised that people still listen to this crap, or watch it on ESPN. So much better content is available now to all of us, with hosts/journalist/entertainers/ex-atheletes that are rational and grounded in sound thought. There primary objective isn't to polarize half their listeners. These entertainment sports networks are all cloaked in a veneer substance. No different than what is being passed off as news, when it's really just inexpensive opinion content that changes with the wind.
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With the influx of young talent on offense, why would/should this team keep McCoy? He's done after this year. I know you could say the same about Gore, but for some reason they obviously feel he's a good option to help develop the younger guys. A guy like Gore has earned the right to say when he's done. He didn't sign here thinking he could be a camp casualty. Plus he's really inexpensive. At this stage McCoy isn't going to bring anything special to the table. Obviously he's expensive, too, but throw that out. Good to great teams seem to grow together at the core positions. Faulk was much better than McCoy has ever been and the Colts were willing cut the cord.
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Lots of really solid talent on the board. I know they won't draft him, but I'm still a little disappointed Miles Sanders won't be a Bill. He's not that far off from the talent level Barkley brought to the Giants. Very happy with Oliver, it's all good whatever they do from here out.
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3 minutes ago, Limeaid said:
A poster from Phily does not like him. What a surprise!
His talent vs headache quotient has tilted in area of he's not worth it. He's a documented idiot.
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When your not a premier destination in the NFL you have to do the little things right. When you lose the battle of location, location, location, you'd think they'd want to do anything they could to show themselves being committed to doing the very best they can for their players. That includes sports science, amenities and staff. This all is very important to organizational philosophy and culture. Why would the Bills not add funds to what Erie County is spending and not purchase peer reviewed high quality surface?
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Time to show MeSean the door. Way better in his own head than he currently is.
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It's the going market for elite QB play. He's way more worthy than the guy in Minnesota. He's been the Seattle offense since his second year. He should have two rings.
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15 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:
Finally watched his highlights. He is impressive, does it all, goes deep, good speed, goes up and gets it, great hands, blocks.
I would be OK with him at 9 or if we can trade back a few spots and get him still even better.
Show me a upper 1st round prospect with a bad highlight tape.
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3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:
It would be such a poor allocation of resources. The chances that he becomes Kelce/Ertz/or Gronk are less than 50/50. The position is more of a luxury than a need. He is not seen as a transcendent player. Why would a team want to use a top 10 pick on a TE who MAY be ALMOST as good as guys that were taken in the 2nd/3rd round?
Kittle was a 5th rounder!
Hock will be drafted closer to 20 than 10 IMO.
You get it. I've been banging this drum the whole thread. Like a d!ck, got so frustrated I lashed out in a couple of posts. I think we have a fan base like others have stated; buy all the hype and BS the NFL sells us on these potential busts, chumps and jackoffs. We just have to hit the lotto on a couple of these players, that's all the draft is. Every year we have to hear from the talking heads how some guy is the next big thing. How often do these predictions come to fruition?
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You're a man obsessed. I give you credit for persistence. The production you're referencing isn't something that has just come along. TE isn't just becoming a premiere position! ANYONE WHO CATCHES THE BALL HAS SEEN AN INCREASE IN PRODUCTION IN THIS NFL!!! Any analyst willing to spend 5 minutes looking into things would see this has been ten years in the making, Look at the individual seasons going back 10 years to more recent that these players had. This isn't the second coming of Bill Walsh's philosophy and the WC offense. What you are saying is common knowledge amongst anyone who really watches the game. I though you'd find this interesting too:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/08/nfl-non-mock-draft-first-round-fmia-peter-king/
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Rk Player Team Pos Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st 1st% FUM 1 Tony Gonzalez KC TE 99 1,172 11.8 73.2 31 5 14 0 59 59.6 0 2 Jason Witten DAL TE 96 1,145 11.9 71.6 53 7 12 2 56 58.3 1 3 Kellen Winslow CLE TE 82 1,106 13.5 69.1 49 5 17 1 56 68.3 2 4 Antonio Gates SD TE 75 984 13.1 61.5 49T 9 15 1 54 72.0 0 2009:
Rk Player Team Pos Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st 1st% FUM 1 Dallas Clark IND TE 100 1,106 11.1 69.1 80T 10 11 3 59 59.0 1 2 Jason Witten DAL TE 94 1,030 11.0 64.4 69 2 11 2 48 51.1 0 3 Tony Gonzalez ATL TE 83 867 10.4 54.2 27 6 4 0 54 65.1 0 4 Antonio Gates SD TE 79 1,157 14.6 72.3 56 8 18 1 61 77.2 1 2011:
Rk Player Team Pos Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st 1st% FUM 1 Jimmy Graham NO TE 99 1,310 13.2 81.9 59 11 18 2 74 74.7 1 2 Rob Gronkowski NE TE 90 1,327 14.7 82.9 52T 17 22 3 69 76.7 0 3 Brandon Pettigrew DET TE 83 777 9.4 48.6 27 5 7 0 37 44.6 0 4 Tony Gonzalez ATL TE 80 875 10.9 54.7 30 7 8 0 53 66.3 0 5 Aaron Hernandez NE TE 79 910 11.5 65.0 46 7 12 2 46 58.2 1 Top 10 in 2015:
Rk Player Team Pos Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st 1st% FUM 1 Delanie Walker TEN TE 94 1,088 11.6 72.5 61T 6 13 2 52 55.3 0 2 Jordan Reed WAS TE 87 952 10.9 68.0 32 11 14 0 54 62.1 3 3 Gary Barnidge CLE TE 79 1,043 13.2 65.2 40 9 16 1 52 65.8 0 4 Greg Olsen CAR TE 77 1,104 14.3 69.0 52 7 20 1 52 67.5 1 4 Jason Witten DAL TE 77 713 9.3 44.6 35 3 4 0 36 46.8 1 6 Zach Ertz PHI TE 75 853 11.4 56.9 60 2 11 2 39 52.0 1 7 Benjamin Watson NO TE 74 825 11.1 51.6 46 6 13 1 42 56.8 1 8 Rob Gronkowski NE TE 72 1,176 16.3 78.4 76T 11 22 5 52 72.2 0 8 Travis Kelce KC TE 72 875 12.2 54.7 42T 5 10 1 40 55.6 2 10 Heath Miller PIT TE 60 535 8.9 35.7 27 2 5 0 29 48.3 0 -
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1 hour ago, cage said:
I was actually going to disagree with you, but then looked at the value chart for the Bills 2 first round trade-ups last year. In the Allen trade they moved from 12 up to 7 and gave up to 2nds. Per the chart, one of the 2nds should have been enough. Then in the Edmunds trade they moved from 22 up to 16 for first pick of 3rd round and a 5th. The 3rd by itself should have been enough for that trade. So we paid a premium in both trade-ups even as they were down in the area of #16 pick.... I'll bump you a beer on your post!
I like this post. Throw the chart out, extract what you can if others want your spot. The picks are worth what others are willing to part with, not what an antiquated spread sheet says. I'm also a proponent of drafting the BPA at 9. Who knows when they'll have a pick this high again? I hope they'er not drafting this high for a long time.
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Yes, I was being an #######.
Inigo Montoya --- The TE position has been evolving. But it isn't something that just started, go back and look from 2014 to present. 2011 was pretty good, also.
The fact TEs haven't been drafted that high does mean something. You proved my point, too. Where were those highly productive TEs you mentioned drafted? It's similar to the evolution of RB value, position production & where they can be drafted/acquired. This kid could be the second coming of Gronk, if so that would be amazing. But Gronk's the best all-round TE ever. Those odds are slim. DL seems to be where elite teams can make their mark. Please give be F. Cox, Donald or a JJ. Watt type. We need to stop the ball from being thrown so easily. I think 5 years of control over an DL prospect or game changing WR does more for the team in the long run.
This league is evolving, not just the TE position. Passing is now easier than ever. WR numbers are off the charts. The fact you mention 4 TEs having WR #1 numbers is a product of the league, as well, wouldn't you agree? It didn't just start this year either. Again, I could be wrong. But, Donte Whitner comes to mind. Not a bad player, but he had no business being drafted where he was. I guess the same could be said for a number recent Bills picks in Rd #1.
We both want the same thing...a watchable product that can be sustained for years to come.
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6 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:
I respectfully disagree TPS. If the success or failure of your entire tenure as a GM depends on Josh Allen becoming a franchise QB, I think you draft the All Pro TE. Imagine having Travis Kelce or Zach Ertz on this offense...
What rounds were those two drafted in? Hint....I've covered this in the thread already.
6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:That's fine and dandy...but in the past 18+ years only 3 TE's have been drafted in the top ten: Winslow, Davis & Ebron. In the past 10, only Ebron. So that doesn't mean sh!t to me, A majority of the rest were taken between picks 25-100. Quality TEs will be there later. Elite teams are built on the lines, go BPA in the foundational positions. The guys clambering for this kid are the same simpletons that are distracted by a shinny new coin and most likely entertained by ESPN and S.A. Smith.
1 hour ago, hjnick said:Hell, I really liked the offense Philly was running because they have 2 TE's that are very serviceable blockers/catchers.
That way you can basically have 7 blockers out there, 2 WR, 1 RB (normally). But with that set, you also have 4 pass catchers and a RB. With this set, you force LB's onto the field because if you they don't match the size of the TE's out there, the offense will just run over the defense. BUT with good TE's, that also makes a great mismatch of the TE's on LB's.
I'm not saying we should draft 2 TE's here. Only showing that have 2 good catching TE's could create a lot of problems on the defensive side of the ball and also help in the running game.
What rounds were these three stud TEs drafted? SECOND ROUND and Celek was the 5th. You use your draft capital to grab the highest valued assets. It's a lottery ticket for high value positions. If you're going to hit on one, make it a guy who you can get 10+ years of elite play out of.
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10 minutes ago, papazoid said:
TE is the weakest starting position on team.
Hockenson will be a perennial pro bowler.
a DL at #9 will be the 5th DL chosen
So he's worth being picked as the highest TE over the past 12 + years?
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A TE at pick #9 would be steep price to pay. I think you can find really good TEs after the 1st round, or earliest in the 20s. In the past 10 years only one TE has been picked lower than 19th (OJ Howard), Eric Ebron at 10 in 2014. The sweet spot to getting a really good TE is between picks 25-100. History would point to this being a really poor decision/value, and bring back memories of Donte Whitner. Hopefully this would be a former Bills FO type of move, and they don't prove to be this stupid.
For those who want to think a little:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?position=TE&type=position
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Conditional 4th with a floor of a 5th should get it done. Howard set the market. Get it done. I'd be thrilled if McCoy was set free.
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16 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:
One of my absolute favorite NFL players ever. I love all-purpose backs. It's a shame his career was cut short by injury, while he was on pace to break the league's single season TD record...again.
Everyone talks about how patient of a runner Bell is. Priest was that, moons ago.
Ricky Watters. A Hall of Fame talent that never gets talked about. He should have been in before Bettis or Terrell Davis.
I agree with both players. To think, Priest was being wasted in Baltimore. He was fun to watch. I think Ricky Watters is getting the baseball writers HOF treatment. I don't think he was a great guy to be around during his playing days, or that's the perception. Ricky does deserve it more than Bettis or Davis.
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^^^^ I see a difference in having a great career and being great. I give Gore credit for squeezing every ounce of talent he's got and putting it on the field. He must have one heck of a drive and be very disciplined. His injury history in college would have lead many of his peers to give up. He's proven that durability/availability is just as important as raw talent. I don't know how he could be kept out of the HOF? I don't think he's an automatic first ballot guy, but he does deserve the honor. I too was shocked at his standings.
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A lot of great names mentioned. Hard to pin down to just a few, but I've always been a big B. Westbrook fan. He could do it all, I thought he was just as good as Faulk when healthy.
I dont think these guys have been mentioned:
Thomas Jones
Terry Allen
Ernest Byner
Clinton Portis
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My vote is for Sanders. Imagine the records he would have broke if he was with Dallas or even a Bill.
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If Allen has a second season even 3/4 close to what Wentz was able to accomplish year two everyone here should be ecstatic. Wentz is a much better passer, but Allen has a certain "it" factor. Truth is, they both had crap surrounding them in their first year, and for what they had talent wise, they came out of it better. Carson had to throw the ball 600+ times because the team was so bad. It's amazing they were able to come out the college in the division they were in and compete year one. To the dim bulbs that think Wentz isn't that good, you obviously don't watch anything much other than the Bills. Like I said...I'd be thrilled with 3/4 of this production.
I guess Wentz is overrated ?
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10 hours ago, mannc said:
Larry Fitzgerald is a terrible comparison. He’s had 4 seasons with over 1400 yards receiving, 5 seasons with over 100 catches and 8 seasons with 90 or more catches. He was also selected first team all pro 4 times and second team twice. Gore was selected second team all-pro one time, in 2006. Case closed.
***He also had one of the most prolific playoff runs a WR ever had in the playoffs. In 2008 he put the Cardinals on his back. If not for a stupid play on the goal line before the half he could have helped bring a ring to what is considered a bottom feeder franchise. THE CARDINALS! It's the Hall of Fame...not the very good. Gore most likely will get in, doesn't mean he should. I'm of the opinion you should at least be considered the best amongst your peers during their time in the league. I can think of 5 RBs better than Gore in his prime, 30% of his peers. Times change and how the stats play out are different from era to era. Look at all the soft stats WRs have been putting up the past ten years for comparison. Guys with numbers should be and will be left out of the HOF.
Some of the people on here...between McCoy rushing for 1,300 yards in 2019 and Fitzgerald not a HOF? Not the brightest or best representing the fan base. DELUSIONAL
Playoffs Receiving & Rushing
Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb Career 9 9 85 57 942 16.5 10 75 6.3 104.7 57 16.5 942 10 1 2008*+ 25 ARI WR 4 4 42 30 546 18.2 7 64 7.5 136.5 30 18.2 546 7 0 2009* 26 ARI WR 2 2 16 12 159 13.3 2 33 6.0 79.5 12 13.3 159 2 1 2014 31 ARI WR 1 1 8 3 31 10.3 0 14 3.0 31.0 3 10.3 31 0 0 2015* 32 ARI WR 2 2 19 12 206 17.2 1 75 6.0 103.0 12 17.2 206 1 0 -
A lot of Shady love here. He'll be three years removed from the player a bunch of you remember him to be at the start of the season. His YPC in 17 wasn't anything great. Was his production last year on the O-Line? Yes, partly. But not all of the blame goes on them, he's lost a step, too. I'm more confident in what Gore can bring vs McCoy at this stage. Last year he was better than McCoy has been the past two years. I see a younger 2nd-3rd round option taking McCoy's place and the Bills pushing his cap savings to next year. Gore will mentor him.
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I like his running style. He punishes the defenders that try and bring him down. Also, very tough, he continued to play on that torn ACL. It wasn't until Monday or Tuesday he was diagnosed. I think his talent is worth a flyer at the low cost he's going to come in at.
Greg Gabriel Blasts Ed Oliver and Believes He Has “Bust Potential”
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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After the draft, what's the point of tearing these kids down? You can disagree with the value, position or spots they were picked, but go after the GM. My only caveat would be is if they are so low on character and have a track record of being a trash human being (think Mr. Crab legs, Hill, Mixon ect..) These kids have plenty of time as a pro to get criticized or called out moving forward. Once they start collecting a check they're fair game.