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It would be very much like the time the bills gave Marcel Darius to Jax For a fifth rounder when he didn’t make economic sense for the bills and he was more of a distraction than he was worth.
Jacksonville was a contender at the time and the bills weren’t. They paid pennies on the dollar for Darius and the bills or any other team they traded for Leonard Fournette today would likely do the same. They are just cleaning out their cap anyway they can because the roster is a mess and they need to start over.
I loved Fournett coming out of LSU. While he hasn’t quite lived up to what I thought he was going to be, he still a bruiser that caught 76 passes last year. If the bills could get him for a fifth it will allow them to use that second rounder on an edge player that could step in for Hughes in the next year or two (They wouldn’t have to contemplate taking a running back in the second).
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I seem to remember an interview that Brandon Bean gave talking about needing more homerun hitters. He said something like, it’s nice to get yardage in chunks, but it could all get ruined by a holding call and you’re starting The drive over in the hole.
With homerun hitters that can score in one play, you minimize the chances that a drive will get stalled by a penalty call.I have watched all of these videos on all of these top running back’s. There are things to like about a lot of them. But I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a running back highlight tape showing one guy break off as many long touchdowns as Jonathan Taylor. It’s pretty crazy.
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People will look at what the Bills paid for Diggs and compare to the 2nd and 5th that the Vikes would pay and automatically say it’s an overpay by the Bills.
Trades shouldn’t be judged in a vacuum. There are other factors.
OBJ had all his good years with Eli and the Giants when he was the focal point of the offense. He was much less productive w/Baker and on a team where the targets needed to be spread out a bit more.
OBJ has a cap hit that’s about $3MM per year higher than Diggs.
Not a big deal, but OBJ is a year older than Diggs.
Diggs has had some quasi-diva situations, but nothing on the level of OBJ who might be heading to his 3rd team, which means two NFL teams would have believed his antics were worse than what he brings to the team (that’s saying a lot considering how talented he is).
Diggs was better last year than OBJ. He might actually be the better player. The shine of being picked in the first round takes a while longer to come off. OBJ will automatically be thought of more highly than diggs who was a fifth rounder because he was hampered by injuries late in college. I think he was just as highly recruited though coming out of high school. Situations impact productivity.
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From a bills fan perspective, the way I look at it is there is a greater chance multiple teams will make a mistake because they’re not working in a war room. The likelihood of top talent getting pushed further down into the second round exists due to the situation. (Always an optimist)
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I think Watson would go #2.
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Minshew. Uggh. I’d freak if my team had the 11th pick and took Minshew. Burrow and Tua would be in the mix and then some left tackles and defensive ends.
Corner is a premium position too. Maybe Tre white goes before pick 32.-
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If every team’s roster had zero players and a draft was held, with all current players as well as incoming draft eligible players, what would the first round look like?
(Age is a factor. It’s not a 1 year redraft like a fantasy league).
Would Josh Allen go in the first round? I think he would.
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New D line coach must have “banged the table” for this guy. It is a lot of dough based on production. He was a 1st rounder... obviously has talent.
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With all of the new defensive lineman brought in, I wonder if they could unload Star’s contract for Gurley? What is the net impact to the salary cap for both teams?
I know about Gurley’s knee problems, but he is still 25 years old and he was still very effective last year. With Singletary, he wouldn’t have to carry as much of a load.
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1 minute ago, Tesla03 said:
team still needs to improve our offense
We need a #2 RB, antother quality WR, and oline help. Drafting a WR with the 2nd pick isn't a bad idea. Brown and Beasley are both aging and drafting a young promising WR to learn and won't have pressure to be the #1 guy here will be good.
imagine drafting a guy like Pittman in the 2nd round. would completely elevate our offense
Or if Shenault falls. Perfect gadget guy for jet sweeps/wildcat/4 receiver sets. With so many receivers, it’s actually possible.
Wouldnt mind kJ hamler either to learn under Beasley for a year.-
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24 minutes ago, BigDingus said:
The idea that you are already anointing Josh Allen as a franchise QB is absurd.
Franchise QB's are those like Brady, Mahomes, Manning, Rivers, Wilson, Roethlisberger, Brees, Watson, Ryan, Rodgers, etc.
Throwing for 3,000 yards, 20 TD's, 9 INT's, and under 60 completion % is NOT a franchise QB yet. That's closer to Tyrod Taylor than it is Drew Brees. That was against the weakest schedule in the league too, so let's not pretend he's already there.All fair points. But sometimes you need to put the right people around a QB to help them take that next step.
As a GM you should operate with conviction and stand by your decisions. I believe that Beane and McDermott and everyone on the roster is confident that Josh is the guy. When that’s the case (and when the QB is on their rookie deal and you have the most cap flexibility you might ever have), you kind of have to take your shot...
The other option is to do the bare minimum—draft whatever player comes to you and hope for the best.
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2 firsts used to get Watkins. Only 1 to get Diggs.
Traded for Watkins without a franchise QB in place.
Traded for Diggs with a franchise QB in place (along with many other pieces to the puzzle).
so, gave up less & timing much better.
oh, 2 more things...
Diggs is better
Diggs is proven
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He did win the Nagurski and Bednarik in 2015 as best LB in college fb.
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If one of the top 3 Wr falls to 16 or 17, I think they try to trade up. If not, I think they would like to see Chaisson or Epenesa. If none of the 3 falls and neither edge player is there (and they don’t trade down) I’m starting to like Denzel Mims who is an elite athlete. More height. More hops. More straight line speed. Also very productive.
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Catches w his body way too much, which reminds me of zay.
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A lot of people bring up the Sammy Watkins trade as evidence of a trade up being a disaster.
I do seem to remember that one of the biggest criticisms of that deal was that the bills traded major Draft capital for a receiver when they didn’t even have a franchise quarterback. Timing was way off, many said. Obviously Sammy wasn’t as good as we had hoped, but he had his moments and who knows how much he suffered by having a below average quarterback.
So, if you believe in Josh Allen, Isn’t the timing different this time around? Would it be more acceptable to give up an extra pic to move up if you think one of those top two or three guys is a perennial pro bowler that could really help Josh Allen become a top-flight quarterback?
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Watching him running out of the wildcat makes me want to compare him to Alvin Kamara rather than an NFL receiver. What makes Kamara so great is his ability to catch 80 balls out of the backfield. They even line him up in the slot or even out wide sometimes. I think Kamara ran a 4.53, which is pretty close to Laviska. He’s also thick at 5’11” 215 compared to Shenault’s 222 (albeit 6’2”)
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It's a BS call, especially considering they called it on number 70. It's really number 72 that comes Close to possibly tripping.
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Who is old enough to remember Wesley Walker?
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1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:
No wait!
When I was 18, I invented the Snuggie. I was a poor college student and in the winter I wouldn’t use my heat to save money.
I went to WalMart and bought a XXL bathrobe ...put it on backwards so I could cover up and have sleeves.
Then I saw the Snuggie commercial a few years later and saw that it sold over 1,000,000 blankets. I was so devastated that I started drinking a lot and became a huge Nickelback fan. Those were some bad years...
Sick ending to that story.
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26 minutes ago, PUNT750 said:
A supposedly great draft, the same for free agent pick-ups etc., etc., etc. We're a better overall team ! A great defense. All is wonderful !
But, what it's all about is a 23 year old QB.
Can he be the team leader? I don't see it! He's immature. He looks it, acts it and it shows on the field.
Can he throw more TD's than Interceptions? I wouldn't bet on it based on his history!
A winning NFL QB can't have a 52.8 completion %. Can he do much, much better?
He's a nice kid but can he ever be the MAN?
Why do all of the major NFL polls predict the Bills will finish 23-25 out of 32 teams??? Is it because of Cole Beasley, John Brown, Ed Oliver, Tremaine Edwards, Mitch Morse or Tre White?
The days of the 4-5 year re-build are way, way over. Players demand trades and new contracts quickly! Two (2) years is a reasonable re-build time now IF YOU HAVE THE QUARTERBACK !!
DO WE HAVE HIM?
Why bother caring for this team at all if your lack of hope turns into something so damn sinister. You'd rather be right than see him improve, I bet.
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Incredible wide receiver draft next year. Probably at least 4 top 15 values.
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Holy Crap Man!
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3-way trade that seems reasonable:
Cleveland gets: #6 from colts, #22 from Bills. 2380 points.
Indy gets: #12 from Bills, #35 from Cleveland, #65 from Bills. 2015 points.
Buffalo gets: #4 from Cleveland. 1800 points.
Cleveland still might have a shot at saquon Barkley if the Giants pass and Denver passes on him. Even if they don't get him they could grab Bradley Chubb or Quenton Nelson at 6. All three are probably in the mix for the 4th overall pick right now and they would get one of them. I think that is the key to making a deal like this happen. They also get to pick 22nd instead of 35th. Cleveland comes out slightly ahead in point value by about 30 points.
Indy would move out of contention for Chubb and Barkley, but they only move down six spots and pick up 35 and 65. They have already picked up two second-rounders from the Jets this year and another next year. They would pick three times in a row in the early second round and also pick up the first pick in the third round. This is a huge opportunity for a team to build a roster that already has a championship-caliber quarterback, Assuming he's healthy. They come out ahead more than 400 points on the draft value chart, 1600 to 2015.
Buffalo moves into the top four and still has two second-rounders and a third-rounder available to them for use or to trade. If the Giants decide not to draft a quarterback, they would be crazy not to move from #2 to #4. And if they have made that decision, I'm sure Buffalo could jump the two spots by offering just one second round pick. It would still leave them with a second and a third. If the Giants decide they are going to draft a quarterback, it means Buffalo gets the fourth quarterback chosen in the draft. They would have to be comfortable with Baker Mayfield or Josh Allen in order to do this, making the assumption that Darnold, Rosen, and one of Mayfield or Allen will get picked before they are on the clock. The only other concern would be the Giants trading out with Denver or someone else like Arizona, but it still guarantees Buffalo with one of those top four quarterbacks. It would also be difficult for Denver or Arizona to beat a buffalo offer if the bills are sitting with the 4th pick.
Bottom line, it makes so much more sense to deal with Cleveland to get up to number 4 first, before going directly to the Giants. That would be way more expensive. Adding Indianapolis to the mix makes even more sense.
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Would anyone look at maybe calling the Jaguars about Fournette?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by mathja
Vegas doesn’t guess. It’s not fool proof but it’s got to be based on some information gathered.