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23 minutes ago, Bills757 said:
Hahaha. You’re hilarious. So Andy Dalton is the reason the Bills made the playoffs? The same Andy Dalton whose team didn’t make the playoffs? Okay. Got it.
You can tell by your screen name how bitter you are that your prediction didn’t come through. So sad.
Yes. Andy Dalton threw the TD pass that LITERALLY put the Bills into the playoffs.
He's not THE REASON they made the playoffs, but he's the guy that PUT them there.
This shouldn't be so difficult.
My screen name is not a prediction... but a nod to the Bills record back when I was a young lad, just starting out.
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14 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:
You know what. I was wrong. Silly me. With that being said....
i guess i should have just simplified it and taken all translation out of it. Joe Webb being even a viable option is a silly notion. And using a couple of Taylor’s worst outings to try and illustrate a broad picture of how he plays isn’t a great way to try and prove your point.
My point is based on Taylor's horrible performance specifically at that point in the season.
The 56 yards and a FG against the Saints created a situation where the offense had become so bad that literally anyone with QB experience on the roster became a -- wait for it -- "viable" option.
However, Joe Webb was NOT a viable option at any time during the season until that Saints game. After another Tyrod dumpster fire under center, all bets were off.
By the way, it wasn't such a "silly notion" after the guy came in and pulled off the W in the Colts game, was it?
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17 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:
You claimed “even joe Webb is a viable alternative to Taylor.” In the initial post I responded to.
Claiming he’s a viable alternative to what we have is in fact claiming he’s at least on par with Taylor. I’m annoyed I even need to explain that to you. Geez.
And im not gonna humor the post with a response becuz it’s a god awful notion. ESPECIALLY when you clearly just stated he’s not as good as Taylor. So no... he’s not a viable alternative.
"Viable" does not mean "at least on par".
"Viable" does not mean "equal to".
"Viable" is an entirely different concept.
I can see this is causing you some confusion, so I'll illustrate the difference with this totally hypothetical and not-at-all true example:
My girlfriend accidentally came across my internet search history, so a tent pitched in the backyard became a "viable" living arrangement for me.
Living in a tent in the back yard is obviously no where near as good as living in the house, but it's better than sleeping out in the rain.
Now do you see the difference?
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1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:
This guy claimed a couple days ago joe Webb was a more viable option than Taylor at this point.
Just so everyone knows what you’re dealing with if you get into any sort of spat with him.
JOE MF’ing WEBB.
I sure did. Also, to clarify before my man here moves the goalposts again, it wasn't that JW was a "more viable" option than Taylor. It was simply, he was a "viable" option at the position. Obviously, Taylor is a better QB than Joe Webb. But that wasn't the question.And, oddly enough, you never responded to my explanation. This game isn't much fun if you're not going to play along.
I'll go ahead and re-post it here for your convenience. Feel free to respond at your leisure.
Is it really though?
Remember, we're talking about "viable", not "ideal" or even "good".
Tyrod Taylor is responsible for creating a crisis at the most important position on the field. There is no argument against that. There is no BS obscure stat that can excuse it. He was terrible against the Saints. The offense was terrible as a result. It also wasn't the first time this year that he has run the offense right into the ground.
So yes, even ol' Joe Webb became a "viable" option at the position... because he has taken NFL snaps before and the production couldn't really get much worse than 56 passing yards and a FG. That is what Taylor had done to the Bills passing game and offense as a whole at that point in the season.
Joe Webb also happens to have playoff experience as a starting QB in the NFL, as I'm sure you probably know. Taylor does not have that, by the way. I had to look it up, but interestingly enough, his stat line from that playoff start should look awfully familiar.... 11/30 180 yards 1TD and 1INT. Around here, there are guys who are ready to put a bust of you in Canton for putting up 180 and a TD.
Let's also give JW credit for taking the wheel in a historic blizzard and leading the Bills to a win that will go down as one of the most memorable ever at the Ralph.
At the end of the day though, he's not a good QB. He probably shouldn't ever take another snap.
So yes, I will absolutely claim that after Tyrod's multiple abysmal performances this year, culminating with the 56'er he put up against NO... all options at QB became "viable", even Joe Webb. That's what happens when things get desperate.
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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Not really because his .535 winning percentage equates to about 8.5 wins a year. One year is 8-8 and the next 9-7 (on average). That’s the difference between the playoffs and being home (again). In a league where 11 teams finished between 7 & 9 wins, a half game matters.
Super. You have fun with Tyrod and the 7 to 9 wins you'll get every year. But at least he won't throw many INTs.
I'm looking for a QB that can win 11,12 or 13. Safe to say, that isn't happening ever for Taylor.
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15 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:
Except if we did that this year we'd have been 7-7 in games he started and mulling over an 18 year drought. Instead we were 8-6 and PLAYOFFS!. And in his career as starter he'd be 21-22, but actually is 23-20.
But,nice try anyway.
Except if we did that this year we'd have been 7-7 in games he started and mulling over an 18 year drought. Instead we were 8-6 and PLAYOFFS!. And in his career as starter he'd be 21-22, but actually is 23-20.
But,nice try anyway.
This is practically the definition of "splitting hairs", ladies & gentlemen.
17 minutes ago, Bills757 said:At this point, you’re just making stuff up to try and make a point. We get it....you don’t like Taylor. But one thing you can’t deny is the fact he’s the first Bills QB in the last 17 years to lead them to the playoffs. That’s undeniable.
This is true. Taylor was, in fact, the starting QB of the first Bills team to make the playoffs in nearly two decades. I give Taylor full credit for that.
It's also undeniable that Andy Dalton -- a legitimate starting QB -- actually threw the 49 yard TD pass that put the Bills in the playoffs.
So, it's not quite the same as a real starting QB "leading his team" to the playoffs... but I'll gladly take what I can get after all this time. Taylor did what he needed to do yesterday and everything worked out for us all. It's a nice change of pace, right?
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25 minutes ago, QB Bills said:
It's starting to make sense now. You have decided what side you stand on and nothing will make you change your mind because "it's my opinion and this is America and it's my right"
Little things like receivers, scheme and protection do not matter because "Tyrod sucks. And he sucks because he doesn't throw into tight windows (he does), he doesn't throw guys open (he does) and you can't win with him (you can)"
1. If by "tight windows" you mean "the receiver's shoes", then yes, you are correct.
2. Yes, he does "throw guys open" -- Taylor does consistently find the NFL Films camera men and/or team trainers standing out of bounds on deep throws, even when there are players from the other team nearby.
3. I agree, you can "win with him" -- as long as your own defense scores a TD in the game and doesn't allow the other team to score more than 21 points. You should really plan on not allowing more than 13, just to be on the safe side though. This approach, combined with Tyrod Taylor's ability to play QB should win you 1 out of every 2 games.
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12 minutes ago, DaBills51 said:
In his make believe land, teams are allowed to tamper and make offers to players who are under contract. I have yet to see one statistical based, logical argument from any of the extreme anti-Taylor group.
Tyrod Delusion Syndrome, or TDS, is a very real and very serious cognitive disorder.
Fortunately for you, I am here to help.
Start here by reading the first post in this thread three times a day for the next two weeks:
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44 minutes ago, LA Grant said:
Fail to see why Tyrod's winning record doesn't count the same as Aaron Rodgers' winning record. Do wins count differently for some QBs?
Keep seeing Haters saying they'd rather have Kirk Cousins. Now here's what a QB should look like for you, right? Tall, white, multiple 300+ yard passing games...
Only thing is Cousins' record, though, is 26-30-1... hmm, so not quite a top-end back-up quality QB then, huh? Guessing we're hoping to bring him in as 3rd string? Might be pricey!
He limits the offense all the way to the playoffs.
There is a huge difference between 94-48 and 22-20. Yet, both are still "winning records". I don't think that requires any further explanation.
As for Cousins, no one needs to cite secondary or obscure stats to support the fact that Kirk Cousins is a Top 10-12 QB in the NFL.
However, Taylor's game is so flawed and so limited that you need it to try and ustify his place as a fringe starter.
57 minutes ago, LA Grant said:Fail to see why Tyrod's winning record doesn't count the same as Aaron Rodgers' winning record. Do wins count differently for some QBs?
Keep seeing Haters saying they'd rather have Kirk Cousins. Now here's what a QB should look like for you, right? Tall, white, multiple 300+ yard passing games...
Only thing is Cousins' record, though, is 26-30-1... hmm, so not quite a top-end back-up quality QB then, huh? Guessing we're hoping to bring him in as 3rd string? Might be pricey!
He limits the offense all the way to the playoffs.
I didn't even catch your subtle accusation of racism in there the first time. You should run with that one though, it definitely helps to make a stronger case for Tyrod.
When you're done, make sure you put that card back in your pocket. You're probably going to want to use it again, I'm sure.
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6 minutes ago, LA Grant said:
Interesting, I didn't realize 300 yard passing games were what determined Wins and Losses. I thought it had to do with the amount of points scored versus the other team. Really bizarre how Taylor ended up having a winning record as a QB with those 300 yard requirements.
You said to look at his stats. So I did.
The Tyrod fangirls like to throw around that "winning record" thing. Aaron Rodgers has a "winning record" is not he same thing as Tyrod Taylor has a "winning record".
Taylor's record is barely above .500 -- exactly what a top-end backup-quality QB should have.
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1 hour ago, DaBills51 said:
1) That argument makes no sense and does a laughable job at ignoring what I presented to you. Facts are tough to argue with though when you are coming from a point of sheer stupidity. I get it. Answer the question - do the Bills make the playoffs if Taylor threw 15 ints like Mariota this season? You can't. You'll ignore it again because you can't argue with logic and reason.
2) If Taylor isn't on the Bills next year he's starting somewhere else. If you can't see that, then its clear you don't understand what the QB situation is like in the league. Maybe ask the Browns how Kizer was for them.
But have a happy new year filled with delusion and illogical rantings.
Was the QB situation much better last year? Because Taylor had so many offers to start elsewhere that he decided to take a pay cut to come back to Buffalo.
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3 minutes ago, LA Grant said:
Go ahead and take a look at Tyrod's stats when he had all those guys healthy at the same time. It wasn't often, if you recall. But when it happened... well, just go take a look, and merry christmas.
Must have been one of the zero times Taylor threw for 300 yards in regulation, right?
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5 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:
Wow, this is bad. What makes you think any of these QBs would be any better than TT in Buffalo? You're not making the team better by doing this. You're swapping one thing for another - big deal.
LOLOLOLOLOL!
What has AJ ever done to make you think he could be better than TT?
What has Tyrod done that makes you think AJMcC would be any worse? Taylor has been running the worst passing offense in football for three straight years. If AJMcC can get you to the 29th or 27th ranked passing offense, that would actually be an improvement.Regardless, I don't particularly care. McCarron would be here to bring up Peterman & the rookie. I also think Fitz would be good for this role as well.
Taylor is a great pro, but the key to his game is found in his special skill set. It's of no use for any other young QB, because they don't have his athleticism. We need the young guys to read defenses, attack coverages, and identify NFL passing windows.
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40 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:
Please god no, Taylor needs to leave, I outlined this scenario of the Bills making the playoffs. Shady has a good year along with the defense getting turnovers = a possibility of the Bills sneaking into the wildcard. We could find any QB that can throw for 2,799 and 14 TD's. I would rather go into next season with AJ McCarron and a top rookie. I think fate is trying to tell us something, with the McCarron trade falling through and a Bengals QB getting us to the playoffs. We need to get AJ McCarron.
I could get behind this plan.
Yes. I like it -- go with AJMcC and run the two kid QBs behind him for a year or two.
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9 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said:
I cant believe the lengths to which you will lie and violate your own integrity to throw negativity on Tyrod. Hes attempted passes like that quite a few times. Literally yhtere are only a few qbs in the league that have that as a staple go to throw in normal situations let alone end if the game needing to score situations.
4th & 12... Tyrod has Tyler Boyd deep and Mike Tolbert in the flat. Where do you think that ball is going?
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11 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:
I'm a Tyrod fan but sometimes he sucks. The second throw is to OLeary he HAS to make to be a good QB because it's an easy throw. And he misses too many. And he needs to not be the sucky guy more than he is now in order for us to believe or invest in him.
BUT...
There are several QBs that are better than him that would be worse than him on the Bills. Tyrod haters ignore the ten plays a game he eludes the rush and either throws a bad pass or makes a great completion. Guys like Cousins and Flacco and maybe even Matt Ryan would get killed on the Bills under the rush they get. Even Brady would get killed. Our OL stinks at pass protection. Our WR suck at getting separation. Our OC stinks. Tyrod camouflages our glaring deficiencies. Be careful what you wish for.
This is wrong.
The Bills line grades out pretty well actually. Tyrod Taylor's indecisiveness and mobility in the pocket make pass protection far more difficult for the linemen -- they have to hold off defenders longer and they never know where Tyrod is going to end up on a given play.
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12 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:
Do you remove rookie seasons when you look up career stats for any QB? No, I bet you don't. No one does unless they are looking to skew stats. As for Tyrods previous stats it's disingenuous to include mop up duty stats when you are breaking down stats on a per game basis. Do you know how much it skews stats to use 5 pass attempts and call it a full game? You may not like my answer but it is the correct answer.
If you want to add worthless play time to Tyrod and remove real playtime from a QB to skew crap in your favor and be disingenuous be my guest. It still isn't worlds different btw except in yards. Tds per game is still not even half a TD a game difference and Bortles turnovers are still double Tyrods.
I was simply pointing out that your particular argument had a major flaw.
I will say this -- while Bortles is a far more capable passer with better handle on the modern NFL offense, he is also more likely to blow up at a crucial moment and cost you a game.
Taylor won't put up big passing numbers and won't commit turnovers. So as long as your offensive gameplan is built on the defense scoring a TD and a strong running attack, you should be in good shape to grind out a 16-10 win.
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8 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:
yes and yes. I don't feel Tyrods previous mop up duty stats are relevant. Bortles actually started his rookie season to me its relevant.
Of course you did. Because those two data sets reflect two different things -- you are factoring Bortles' struggles learning on the job into his overall production, while giving Taylor an artificial 'bump' by only using his stats after 4 years in the league.
So, while you are trying to say that those numbers reflect similar players... in reality, they are further apart than you claim they are.
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13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Bro, it’s not 2007 anymore. Eli hasn’t been good the last few years. He’s become an average starter. You so badly want to hate on Tyrod and you sound like a fool today. I’m not sure why it bothers you that he’s an okay starter? I’m guessing that you spent the entire season complaining about him and hoping for Peterman. Now you are grasping at straws so that you can be “less wrong.” He’s okay and you can either accept that or continue to be wrong. I don’t care either way.
Yeah... 4000+ passing yards, 25-35 TDs.
Simply awful.
Even this season for Manning was way better than Taylor -- and it is universally agreed upon that this was one of Eli's worst ever.
What bothers me is people running around proclaiming that Tyrod Taylor is an "okay" starter when he's really not. I'm tired of watching Bills QBs run the offense into the ground every week and struggle to put up 185 yards passing and 17 points. The truth is that Eli is an "okay" starter now. Taylor isn't on that level.
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6 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:
Bortles has been the same as Tyrod statistically. No where near far and away better.
237 overall yards per game 1.5 overall TDs per game 0.6 overall turnovers per game
265 overall yards per game 1.6 overall TDs per game 1.23 overall turnovers per game
Which one is "far and away better?"
Two quick questions -- Did you include Bortles' rookie year stats in those numbers? Are your TT numbers just from his 3 years as a starter?
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2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Bottles has returned to being Bortles, Mariota has been AWFUL and Flacco stinks.
I’d have him ahead of the guys that I listed, so no. He is in a tier with guys like Dalton, Eli, and a few others. It’s the group of guys that you can win with but don’t win because of.
In no way, shape, or form does Tyrod Taylor belong in the same group as Eli Manning. The guy has multiple rings and has knocked off the Patriots, twice. He's put his team on his back and won championships. Eli is definitely in the winter of his career, but I don't think there is a sane person on the planet that would take Tyrod over Eli if you needed a QB to go and win a big game.
Taylor needed late game heroics from the aforementioned Andy Dalton to get his own team in the playoffs. Dalton is in another tier as well.
So, now factor in that there are several teams with multiple QBs that are better than Taylor -- like Minnesota and Indianapolis, and that places TT firmly in the 27-35 range as far as the league as a whole goes. He is a bottom-tier QB.
It amazes me that people argue this only because the guy doesn't throw INTs (he also doesn't throw for very many TDs) and can spin around in the pocket really fast.
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12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Denver, Jax, Arizona, Baltimore, Miami, Jets, Cleveland, Titans (and don’t debate this one Mariota has been AWFUL),
Ok, great -- I appreciate you playing along here.
I disagree with JAX, TEN, and BALT. Bortles has been far and away the better QB statistically for his career and Mariota had a bad season, but is younger with a much better skill set and higher ceiling. Flacco has a ring and could still conceivably run a more consistent passing offense better than Taylor -- however, that's definitely debatable and I can see going either way. However, I'll give those to you for the sake of this exercise.
Oh, and the Jets depends on whether or not JMcC comes back or not. He's also been statistically better than Taylor overall for the past few years -- and that was playing for Cleveland and The NYJ.
So this means thatTaylor doesn't even crack the top 20 for you, correct?
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8 minutes ago, QB Bills said:
NFL GMs are stupid for the most part. Why would I care what they would do?
Unlike you I am quite secure about my knowledge of football and don't need to reach for the "appeal to authority" approach.
Ok, lets play pretend then.
You are the Bills GM, very secure about your knowledge of football. Every other stupid GM in the NFL is calling you right now offering you their starting QB for Tyrod Taylor, straight up. How many would you consider saying yes to?16 minutes ago, QB Bills said:Lol
I'm more convinced than ever that the Bills could have picked any random jabroni in the draft as long as he physically looked like a prototypical/conventional QB and certain fans would be anointing him as the answer.
You mean like DeShaun Watson, Russell Wilson, or Cam Newton?
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10 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:
That question is not indicative of what a player is worth.
You're kidding right?
That question is literally "what is a player worth?"
Tyrod Delusion Syndrome is reaching new levels today.
Tyrod Taylor: Playoff QB
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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He was a big part of the team getting to the postseason. As the starting QB, that is true pretty much by default.
He was also a big part of it almost not happening. His inability to produce anything even remotely resembling a barely functional passing offense cost them several games, and that includes the Chargers game.