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On 4/10/2019 at 1:14 PM, Jumpsuit Jim said:
TJ will be off the board before any wide receivers are taken.
Wouldn’t be surprised at all! Or if it’s the Pats moving up to do it!
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I like where we are at 9! At least, we can end up with a big improvement in the trenches or at lb! 9 seems early to take Hock but how long do you wait? He’s the best all around nfl ready TE. Maybe we can get back into the first round but not too much later.
Can’t wait!!!
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Years ago I wouldn’t be happy with a TE at 9. But something to consider is that the TE position in college differs more and more from the NFL, almost on a yearly basis! It’s increasingly more difficult to get an all around TE from the draft. Hock is as close as it gets.
Still, I’m not saying that we have to draft Hock. IMO we need to get a big impact player almost every time you draft in the top ten whether we stay at 9 or spend draft capital to move up some!
Something else that that has me thinking about this particular draft is that we may not pick this high again for a decade or more. At least not very often. As long as Josh continues to improve into what we all hope for! I tend to be conservative but this year if there is a really good player still on the board at 4-7. Go get him!! In the Super Bowl years we had great players all over the field! Kelly,Bruce, Thomas, Reed, Bennet,Tasker etc....
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On 4/6/2019 at 7:55 AM, Inigo Montoya said:
I wanted to put together all the reasons why I think McBeane will grab T.J. if he is there at #9 when the Bills are on the clock.
1.) It has been stated many times on this board that the success or failure of the entire McBeane Era will come down to just one thing, does Josh Allen become a true franchise QB. Helping Allen continue to develop is the single most important factor in this franchise turning the corner. I think McBeane wants to give Josh Allen a go-to-guy that he can lean on and bail him out when needed. They believe in that so much that they were willing to chase Antonio Brown in FA and bring him into this locker room, with all of Brown's attendant drama, and shell out some serous cash to get him into a Bill's uniform. They understand it's critically important for Josh Allen to get some weapons on the offense.
2.) T.J. Hockenson is widely considered the best TE in the draft. He won the John Mackey Award as the nations top collegiate TE. He is the best blocking TE in the draft, has great route running skills, soft hands, and the size to go up and grab those 50/50 balls. He is a complete TE, he can catch and block. He is a three down TE. He is a process guy.
Combine: "Hockenson is currently seen as the better overall prospect (over Fant), due to superior blocking abilities. Still, his athletic ability left nothing to be desired. At 6-foot-4 3/4 and 251 pounds, Hockenson’s 4.70-second time in the 40-yard dash is very good. The same goes for his 37.5-inch vertical and 10-foot-3 broad jump. However, his agility numbers are the equal of many of the better wide receivers in this year’s draft class, with a 7.02-second time in the 3-cone drill and a short shuttle time of 4.18."
3.) Some say you should not select a TE at #9, it is not a premium position. I disagree. The NFL game is evolving on offense and many teams have built their offense around a great TE. Gronk and the Pats for years, Ertz in Philly, Kelce in K.C., Olson in Carolina, and recently Kittle in San Fran. They are offenses that scheme to create mismatches with their TE, too big for a corner to cover well, too fast for a LB to keep up with. You don't need a true WR1 if you have a great TE. We don't have a WR1 and we are not likely going to draft a WR who is going to be a WR1 this year.
4.) The kid can block. For years Shady feasted running behind the left side of our line, Glenn-Incognito-Woods. Now imagine running behind the left side of the line with Hockenson-Nsekhe-Spain-Morse (I think Nsekhe beats out Dawkins). I think Shady will be back in business. Better yet, the defense won't know if Hockenson is there to block on a running play, or going out into the flat or up the seam as a receiver. In this alignment, which should be our base offensive set, it will be hard for a defense to guess run vs pass. In Hockenson we are drafting a great TE and a solid O-lineman in one pick. I think there is some extra value there.
5.) Of course, for this to work you need to have an offensive coordinator who understands how to utilize the TE creatively. Enter Brian Daboll, formerly of the Rob Gronkowski Patriots. Not only was he there to see it, he was actually the TE coach for the Pats from 2014-2016. Gronk had 82 catches for 1,124 yards and 12 TDs in 15 games in 2014, 72 catches for 1,176 yards and 11 TDs in 15 games in 2015, and was injured in 2016 but still posted 25 catches for 540 yards and 3 TDs in only 8 games, two of which he was knocked out of early, and two others he was limited in. I'd say Daboll understands both how to scheme for a TE, and understands the value of the TE position.
6.) Daboll is not the only one who recognizes the value of a great TE. These are quotes from Sean McDermott at the owners meeting two weeks ago about what Greg Olson meant to the development of Cam Newton and to the offense overall. "I liked it when we were on offense and it was third and about five because I knew we were going to get a 1st down because we had Greg Olson." Talking about watching Olson in Carolina and Chad Lewis in Philly play, "I feel like I learned at an early age about how important that tight end position is to a quarterback, and particularly a young quarterback, it becomes a security blanket." Who else watched the impact Olson had on Cam Newton as his security blanket in Carolina? Some guy named Brandon Beane.
7.) Signing Tyler Kroft does not preclude them drafting Hockenson at #9. Once again at the owner's meeting McDermott stressed the importance of player leadership, of having a veteran leader in every position room who would hold the young guys accountable and show them the ropes. I think McDermott learned this lesson the hard way seeing the impact a lack of veteran leadership in the QB room had on Allen's development. I think this will be Kroft's main role, to mentor Hockenson, and hopefully Kroft will also bounce back to his 2017 form where he had 42 receptions and 7 TDs, but that would be icing on the cake. McDermott said it plainly "Ideally, you have a leader in every room (position room), and a competition in every room because competition brings out the best in all of us."
8.) Right now we only have three TEs on the roster, Kroft, Croom, and Jake Fisher from Cincy who is a converted O-Lineman. We rolled into the season last year with four, Clay, Croom, Logan Thomas, and Khari Lee on the roster opening day. We definitely have space for another TE or two on the roster to take into camp. We had six TEs in camp last year with O'Leary and Towbridge there as well. We will be drafting a TE in this draft.
Do we go DT or EDGE in the draft at #9 and hope we can trade back up into the 1st round to grab Fant or Irv Smith? We can try, but there is no guarantee we will be able to do that, and neither of those guys are getting out of the 1st round. If we don't grab Hockenson at #9, we may not get an elite TE prospect in this draft at all.
9.) And lastly, to circle back around to the first point, there will be some great defensive players available when we draft at #9 that would immediately upgrade the defense and address a need at DT or EDGE. At the end of the day, the Bills will rise or fall as a franchise over the next three years based on what Josh Allen becomes. If you have a weapon like T.J Hockenson sitting there who can be the go-to weapon that Allen needs, possibly the next Kelce, Ertz, Kittle, Olson, or even a Gronk, develop into Allen's "security blanket", be a beast in the run game, and a be high character Process kind of guy to boot, I don't know how you pass him up especially considering the lack of any WR1 on this team for Josh Allen.
Will there be a learning curve for a rookie TE? Of course, but I think McBeane sees the 2019 season as a stepping stone for 2020 (I still think we will be much improved and make the playoffs in 2019). 2019 will be the season that Hockenson learns the pro game, gels with the O-line, and develops a rapport with Allen. I believe the plan is for this team to be good enough to contend for a Super Bowl in 2020 if Allen continues to develop. I think Allen having a weapon like T.J. Hockenson around him is more impactful to this team taking that next step than adding another great defensive player this year.
Great reasons for drafting Hock! I’m on board if it helps Josh and Shady be better!
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20 hours ago, TOboy said:
DK scares the crap out of me.
I'm terrified we draft him and he's a total bust.
I'm terrified we pass on him and he's the next megatron/Julio kind of receiver.
I’m right there with ya! Probably how he turns out will depend on Josh!
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Ultimately it is totally up to Mcbeane, probably more McDermott, to find out what kind of attitude and work ethic these prospects have. QW is dominate,now! Have to admit my thoughts did go to Dareus! But that’s not really fair to QW.
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6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:
Yeah he’s just much smaller than he was when he played. And Allen is giant
Makes him hurdling Barr that much more impressive!!
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Unless there is a gamebreaking difference maker available at 9 then take a player that makes a significant upgrade to a position. Even when a team has needs at other positions.! So yeah BPA does apply but if a real game breaker is there then take him.
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19 hours ago, Rebel101 said:
I would love to see the Bills get Williams whether he drops to them or they move up. I really don’t think Ed Oliver is going to great. He is a great athlete but that only gets you great stats in college. Once he gets to the NFL I think he will be an average rotational player. Quinnen Williams is a beast bills need to find a way
Yes and no. If QW somehow is still available at say the #5 pick then if Mcbeane think his attitude fits buffalo then yeah. Go get him, he is too talented not to spend some draft capital on. Especially a big man that dominates!!
Would be happily shocked if he was there at 5. I’m thinking the Jets at 3.☹️
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I’ll take Brown. Big, powerful, shifty, had to be gang tackled, break away speed, ball security and could run either between the tackles or outside!!
Sanders had all the moves and was great to watch. Classy guy!! Just flipped the ball to a ref after scoring! Loved that about him!
Would have loved to have seen Bo Jackson play longer!!! He was dominating and could do it all.
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On 3/8/2019 at 11:49 AM, Irv said:
Yes - we've had some terrible GM's. But, he seems to have a solid plan in place. We have the 4th highest cap space available this year and are projected to have the highest in 2020. He arguably got the franchise QB we needed. The fans seem engaged. If we make the playoffs this year, I'd argue that he is one of the best GM's in the league and the best since Bills GM since Polian.
Tough to say because the owners were different as well. Pegula definitely is more willing to spend money although Beane has proven to be frugal so far. I don’t have proof but I think the AB issue was that we weren’t willing to pay what he wanted. But Beane like Polian recognizes a game changer when he sees one and at least tried to get him without hurting our future cap too much!
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1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:
I picked other: Trading up THREE times inside the first round of ONE draft and NOT giving up any future picks while landing the QB and LB for our future.
I’m thinking that some day it will be viewed as a genius move!! All depends how Allen and Edmunds turn out!
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19 hours ago, purple haze said:
1. Police have an exponentially difficult job. That job is made infinitely harder by bigoted cops or cops who are simply bad at their job. Just like some people working at a plant or in an office setting are good at their job and others aren't. Being a police officer doesn't make one infallible from incompetence, and it surely doesn't make them, by virtue of being simply being a police officer, a good person. Bigots go to work like everyone else. What might help good cops, aside from weeding out the bigots or power trippers in their midst, is for county, state and federal governments to stop having police officers be a catch all for every circumstance. Sometimes a mental health expert or a social worker is what's really needed, and money needs to be put into paying that personnel and for the needed services. Mental health is a true national emergency. But, hey, tax cuts and walls and whatnot...
2. Veterans had nothing to do with why Kaepernick or Reid or any other player was kneeling; that was a conflation made by politicians and conservative talk show pundits to distract from the stated reasons for the protest. Why is that? Because those people are fine with the status quo. If not one NFL player ever knelt, but instead mentioned in interviews the issues as they viewed them, or wore, for instance, the same yellow wristbands that some NFL players wore in the '91 NFL playoffs as a symbol of solidarity with the military, people would still complain. There are those who are uncomfortable with protest, in general, and they will attack the means of protest as opposed to the issue being protested.
They will attack the bus strike as opposed to people being relegated to riding in the back of one or having to give up, even those seats, due to their color - while still paying the same fare. They will attack the sit-in as opposed to the reality American citizens are not allowed to eat at the same establishment or shop in the same store. They will ask why "those people" have to move into this neighborhood and cause trouble, even though it's some people who live in neighborhood that deface property, kill pets and generally cause the trouble -- all in efforts to run "those people" out of it. As opposed to having a problem with Kaepernick or others, do you ever ask why they feel a need to protest?
For some of you non black, brown, yellow or red people, in my wickedest thoughts, I wish you could spend time in the same skin and have to deal with or listen to all the soft hostility, slick "jokes," hypocritical double-talk that belies centuries of history or outright blatant vitriol that you would have to deal with and listen to. Then I think better of it and wouldn't wish it on you.
Well said! Although I don’t agree with everything.
I mentioned race in my post , maybe I shouldn’t have. Kap was protesting unjustified shootings by cops not necessarily only white cops. But it was pretty clear that the shootings he was addressing were toward black men. Other players joined in and although I can’t remember who, they referenced killing of black men by white cops.
Kap certainly had every right to protest peacefully which he did so. Kudos to him for that and for his courage! IMO him timing it with the anthem was initially bold and certainly attention grabbing. But after publicly stating his reasons for kneeling and not his reasons for doing it he continued to kneel. I feel that was disrespectful( I didn’t need a conservative talking head for that) placing this issue over our country and that union of people itself. This country is not perfect to be sure. Never will be because it is made up of humans. The status quo should still not be accepted as long as some humans dehumanize others. I have had this conversation with non white family members. Thankfully the conversations have been respectful and somewhat enlightening !
Politics almost inevitably are brought into this. Which side has not at some point treated the other unfairly or ridiculed one another. Sadly that includes me too. Christ teaches grace in these situations. Something people are not familiar with!
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2 hours ago, klos63 said:
Kaeps final season had 16:4 TD:Int ratio, ran for about 500 yards.... 90 QBR. The vegan diet is the dumbest reason.... It's disingenuous to bring up these side issues as reasons he's not playing. The only reason he hasn't been given a chance is because of the protests. That should be clear to everyone, regardless of your stance on it's merits.
I haven’t checked your final season stats but based on what you said I agree. He was good enough to be given another opportunity in the league! But I also don’t blame any team for not wanting to invite controversy into their franchise. That doesn’t mean their was collusion within the league to keep Kap out necessarily. He kinda did it to himself regardless of whether there really was collusion!
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24 minutes ago, Gugny said:
Common man. You're smarter than this.
Proof I found in less than one minute: htedtps://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/29/police-killings-black-men-us-and-what-happened-officers/469467002/
Proof? No doubt that some of these killings are unjustified! But I’ve sat a jury enough to also know that the general public and certainly not the media hear all the evidence in a case. And yes one piece of evidence can change a lot!
Did Kap have access to evidence in these cases and others that most people don’t? We don’t know that either way.
I certainly don’t think that gunning someone down because of their race is right! But, I sure wouldn’t want to be a cop and have to go into some of these hair trigger situations either. No matter the color of the people involved.
I guess my problem with Kap is his kneeling whether intentional or not disrespected the many good cops that are out there. Along with our vets! Now he has profited from it. That leaves me disgusted!
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16 hours ago, Foxx said:
what a disgrace.
My feeling exactly!
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Interesting stuff! Thanks for putting in the work. I agree that Allen isn’t that inaccurate and doesn’t deserve the label as such. However he does have much he can improve on such as accuracy and touch on short passes. Maybe it’s the velocity on his passes is the reason for the drops?
The one thing that has stood out from other rookies is that he rarely puts his throw in a spot where the defender can get a hand on it. Definitely better than Darnold or even Mayfield in that way. And his yards per attempt is up there pretty good too.I have been very impressed with Josh so far!
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5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:
Happy we got Allen and his style of play, but it's way too soon to give up on Rosen. It will be interesting to see where he goes or if Kliff keeps him? And it wouldn't shock me to see NE work some trade to get him. Win or lose I see next year as Brady's last.
Hope you have inside info on Brady. I was hoping he would have retired on top after the SB.
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Way to early to tell! Rosen may pan out but our Josh has a great attitude and is a crazy good athlete to boot!
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48 minutes ago, eball said:
Nothing surprising here. Lots of stuff for Allen to work on, as most have said. Now, if you believe he's incapable of doing this stuff that's another story, but I certainly don't.
I certainly think Josh can improve in the short game. I don’t recall him doing a lot of it at Wyoming. Don’t know about Reedley College. His accuracy issues are almost all footwork and repetition!
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2 hours ago, Hammered a Lot said:
Are you talking about the 3 billion dollars Plus Mario and Andy owe the Workers Comp Fund??? I guess there will be more than one meeting of the Fans Stadium Focus group. I think Bills season ticket invoices we be sent out within a week.
Talking about the huge sum promised in the future such as state pensions. Promises made to get votes but where will that come from? Not sure if the state will be in shape to help with a new stadium that isn’t down state where the votes are!
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10 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:
....gonna be some ADVANCED tailgating..............
So true!
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16 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:
...he'll pony up $$$ from his new "weed tax"........oh boy..........
For sure. Everyone will want to be stoned to deal with the pain of what’s coming in NY
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No invite here. 2.5 billion is only a fraction of the real debt! Doesn’t look good!
2 picks in the first seems like a given to me...
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You’re probably right on with Hock. It seems strange to be looking at a TE at 9 but in today’s situation with college tight ends it’s necessary if you want an all around complete player! I’ll be happy as long as we get great talent somewhere!