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2 minutes ago, Kmart128 said:
Yeah and we weren't gonna get a guranteed starter with those next three selections. And we still needed a nickle Corner. At that point in draft your just not gonna draft a starter... That's the point to add depth and that's what we did.
Watching games last year it was clear that QB, DT, and WR were our biggest needs. We addressed two of the positions. We had so many holes to fill that you can't fill them all in one offseason. It's impossible. Especially when we traded up in first twice. I'm sure OLine and WR and gonna be addressed in next off-season or at trade deadline.
Hold on Kmart, don't get mad at me. I've been saying in every OL thread this offseason that Beane and McDermott have chose not to
address the OL situation at all this year.
I also said if the OL "blows" which causes the entire offense to play bad then so be it.
I got replies (and Dingus did too because both of us talk a lot about the OL) like:
Conor McDermott is great and will be the starting RT.
Miller is going to have a breakout year at LG.
etc.
Click on the Spotrac link to see how low at #32 the Bills OL really is, if you want to.
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15 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:
Bean overpaid for the two #1's.....gave up a slew of 2's and 3's that could have rebuilt some positions of need like OL. imho.
2 minutes ago, Kmart128 said:I mean they tried... Just didn't have the money. We signed Newhouse and Bodine... and drafted Tellar. We tried to address it with what we had. Trading up twice in the first round hurt our draft picks we had.
Let's look at some facts.
Over $115 million dollars of Free Agency contracts were awarded to new Bills players this year.
$8 million went to OL
Even IF you want to say the Bills used the 2 1st rounder's they had on "other" impact players they passed on drafting OL
with the next 3 picks.
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2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:
The whole starting OL is paid about $7Mil collectively...
The off season plan to improve was a couple of cheap unwanted scrubs in Bodine and Newhouse and a 5th round draft pick...
Should we really be surprised?
.............and the sad part is, they are being overpaid!
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5 minutes ago, prissythecat said:
I thought EJ was the best no 2 in NFL.
No, that's a misunderstanding.
EJ is the teams 2nd best backup.
LOL
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15 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:
It's kind of windy out...going from East to West might be a problem.
14 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:Josh Allen's throws are so strong they change the direction of the wind.
"When it's too windy for them, it's just right for Josh!"
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1 hour ago, McNubbins said:
War Josh Allen.
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9 hours ago, ganesh said:
And that is what I don't really get....It is insane..He is an All-Pro player and deserves to be paid a top-3 defensive player contract. The Raiders have to keep their cornerstone on defense if they wan't to go deep in the playoffs...Teams without a pass rush cannot do much in the playoffs.. For a decade plus, we paid Bruce Smith what he wanted because he showed up on *EVERY* Sunday
Usually I fall on the side of the team in these holdout situations but OAK has played this whole Mack thing pretty bad.
I mean, the 2 parties don't even seem to be talking and it comes down to the next couple of weeks for something to change.
They had plenty of time to plan for this and it must really come down to Gruden/Davis not wanting Mack for the money.
One thing some people are not considering is the timing of this whole thing.
It's one thing for a team during free agency to sign a player to a big contract and have all offseason to adjust your roster.
It's quite a different thing to do it a week before the season starts.
I don't think OAK is going to get as much for Mack as some people think.
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1 hour ago, Rc2catch said:
How are they gonna lose him?
They own his rights, he’s under contract this year, they can franchise him next year?? The year after?
These guys can threaten holdout all day long, but it almost never gets into gametime they aren’t losing checks.
OAK doesn't want to sign him to a big contract.
That's the whole problem. They could do what you say but the best they get is an expensive disgruntled player.
Their option is to trade him and get picks/player AND avoid his contract.
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6 minutes ago, purple haze said:
Who says they would need to give up any players? Maybe the Raiders don't want to take back salary. Maybe they want draft picks.
But If any player goes, to me it would be Shaq. He's a DE who can play now, he's still on his rookie deal so won't put a dent in their cap. He would not be the center of a deal, but he would be a piece that would possibly save giving up a third draft pick.
Watching him play the games.
Hughes would cost 6.35 million in cap hit for OAK after the Bills eat the signing and option bonus.
That's pretty cheap for a guy of his talent.
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56 minutes ago, McNubbins said:
If he's bad, it's simple.
Fire everyone and move the team to Antarctica.McMurdo Fur Seals.
Talk about home field advantage!
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19 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:
1. The Raiders can wait for the Jets to cut Bridgewater.
2. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I read somewhere that Connor Cook is amazing.
I would think there would be a number of teams wanting to sign Teddy.
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2 hours ago, Limeaid said:
Craig Bohl knows coaching but not how to correct a QB. Not sure Bills' coaching staff does either but hopefully Jordan Palmer can continue to work wish Mr. Allen and there is an ironclad no information release clause in contract AND that information is not in a database easily hacked like mine was at OMB within first month of filing paperwork.
2 hours ago, Limeaid said:Craig Bohl is a good football coach but only been in Wyoming for 4 years and I am sure it is hard for him to pick up a good staff.
It is clear that Allen had fundamentals down right unlike some spread offense QBs.
While it is true Craig Bohl was both HC for Josh Allen and Carson Wentz and can take some credit for their development, both QBs had the same
Offensive Coordinator/QB Coach.
Brent Vigen is that coach. While I do not want to diminish Coach Vigen's expertise, but his entire player/coaching knowledge has been limited to
North Dakota State and Wyoming. I'm sure he helped both QBs but I'm willing to bet there was plenty of things not addressed as well as a Jordan Palmer
and/or NFL coaching staffs could provide.
If anyone is interested this is from the Wyoming site about Brent Vigen.
https://gowyo.com/staff.aspx?staff=121
Brent Vigen was elevated to Associate Head Coach in the spring of 2017. He will continue in his roles as offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach for the fifth consecutive season in 2018, and will be entering his 21st year as a college coach and his 10th as an offensive coordinator.
Vigen coached and developed junior quarterback Josh Allen, who became the highest NFL Draft pick in Wyoming school history when the Buffalo Bills selected him as the No. 7 overall pick in the 2018 NFL Draft. Allen was also the second highest selection by any Mountain West Conference player in history behind only Alex Smith of Utah, who was selected No. 1 overall in the 2005 NFL Draft. Vigen’s 2017 offense was extremely efficient in the red zone, scoring on 33 of 34 red-zone opportunities to rank No. 2 in the nation. The offense also did an excellent job of protecting the ball, committing only 14 turnovers to rank No. 19 in the country. UW’s offense combined with its defense (38 turnovers forced) to rank No. 1 in the nation in turnover margn, with a +24 turnover margin.
The 2016 Cowboy offense averaged 35.9 points per game to rank No. 2 in the Mountain West and No. 25 in the nation. The passing game, averaged 15.3 yards per completion to rank No. 8 in the NCAA, and in red-zone offense the Pokes converted 90.6 percent of their red-zone opportunities into scores to rank 14th in the country. Wyoming’s offense ranked No. 1 in the MW and No. 22 in the NCAA in first downs (312), was No. 32 in the nation in time of possession (31:34), ranked No. 33 in the country in passing efficiency (143.82 rating) and No. 36 in the nation in rushing offense, averaging 205.4 yards per game. Running back Brian Hill earned Third Team All-America honors from College Sports Madness and center Chase Roullier was named Second Team All-American by USA Today. Tight end Jacob Hollister joined Hill and Roullier as First Team All-Mountain West selections, and quarterback Josh Allen and wide receiver Tanner Gentry earned Second Team All-MW honors. Hill was one of 10 national semifinalists for the Doak Walker Award. Roullier was named to the Outland Trophy and Rotary Lombardi Award Watch Lists, and Gentry was named to the Biletnikoff Award Watch List. Hill was selected in the fifth round of the 2017 NFL Draft by the Atlanta Falcons. Roullier was drafted in the sixth round by the Washington Redskins. Gentry signed a free-agent contract with the Chicago Bears, and Hollister signed as a free agent with the New England Patriots.
In 2015, Vigen’s offense had two individuals earn All-Mountain West honors as sophomore running back Hill and junior offensive lineman Roullier both earned Second Team All-Conference honors. Hill was one of 11 semifinalists for the Doak Walker Award in 2015 and was the only semifinalist from a non-Power Five conference. Junior wide receiver Gentry was also named to the Biletnikoff Award Watch List in 2015. The 2015 Wyoming offense ranked sixth in the Mountain West in passing efficiency, with a rating of 135.0.
Vigen’s 2014 Cowboy offense featured Biletnikoff Award Watch List receiver Dominic Rufran, who was invited to a free-agent camp by the Atlanta Falcons following his senior season. Another Cowboy senior, offensive tackle Connor Rains, signed as a free agent with the Denver Broncos following the 2014 season. Vigen’s Wyoming offense was very effective at protecting the ball in 2014, committing only 18 turnovers to rank No. 4 in the MW and No. 33 in the nation.
Vigen served as the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at North Dakota State under current Wyoming head coach Craig Bohl from 2009-13. He began his college coaching career at his alma mater, NDSU, in 1998.
Vigen was the offensive coordinator for each of North Dakota State’s three consecutive FCS National Championships in 2011, ‘12 and ‘13. In 2013, Vigen’s offense at North Dakota State ranked No. 10 in the nation in scoring offense (38.7 points per game), No. 7 in rushing offense (257.3 yards per game), No. 14 in total offense (457.5 yards per game), No. 1 in third-down efficiency (55.4%), No. 3 in passing efficiency (164.9) and No. 6 in red-zone offense (89.2%). The 2013 NDSU offense also was one of only 12 FCS teams to average 200+ yards rushing and 200+ yards passing per game. The 2012 Bison offense ranked No. 7 in the nation in third-down efficiency (50.7%) and No. 16 in red-zone offense (89.2%). Vigen’s 2011 offense ranked No. 5 in the country in red-zone offense (91.1%).
From 2011 through 2013, Vigen helped NDSU to a 43-2 (.956) overall record and a 22-2 (.917) Missouri Valley Football Conference (MVFC) mark on way to its three consecutive FCS national titles. The 2013 NDSU squad became the first undefeated (15-0) FCS National Champion since Marshall went 15-0 to win the 1996 title. That 15-0 record by the Bison also set a North Dakota State school record. NDSU extended its winning streak to 24 consecutive games with the 2013 FCS Championship. That tied both the FCS and NDSU records for consecutive victories. The University of Pennsylvania set the FCS record of 24 consecutive wins from 1992-95. Montana later tied the record from 2001-02. The NDSU record was originally set from 1964-66.
Vigen coached quarterback Brock Jensen, who earned Third Team All-America honors from the Associated Press in 2013 and went on to sign a free-agent contract with the Miami Dolphins in the Spring of 2014. Jensen was named the Missouri Valley Football Conference Offensive Player of the Year in 2013. He also was named the: 2012 and 2013 NCAA Division I Championship Game MVP; the 2012 and 2013 College Sporting News FCS Playoff MVP; and the 2013 College Sports Journal FCS Playoff MVP. Jensen ranked: No. 4 in the country in points responsible for in 2013 (264 points); No. 5 in the nation in passing efficiency (167.4 rating); No. 5 in passing TDs (34); No. 9 in the nation in completion percentage (66.3 percent); and No. 23 in passing yards (2,793). Jensen set North Dakota State single-season passing records in 2011, throwing for 2,524 yards and broke that record with 2,793 passing yards in 2013. He concluded his career as North Dakota State’s career passing leader, with 8,598 passing yards.
The 2013 Bison offense featured three All-Americans. In addition to Jensen earning Third Team AP All-America honors, offensive tackle Billy Turner was named a Consensus All-American and fullback Andrew Grothmann earned First Team All-America recognition from The Sports Network.
In 2011, ‘12 and ‘13, the NDSU offense featured a pair of 1,000-yard rushers. The 2011 season was the first time in NDSU school history that the Bison offense featured two 1,000-yard rushers and a 1,000-yard receiver in the same season. Sam Ojuri rushed for 1,105 yards, and DJ McNorton tallied 1,020, while receiver Warren Holloway had 1,003 receiving yards. In 2012, Ojuri (1,047 yards) and John Crockett (1,038) each rushed for 1,000 yards. The 2013 season saw Ojuri (1,398) and Crockett (1,277) duplicate their 1,000-yard seasons of the previous year, while Vigen’s 2013 offense also featured 1,000-yard receiver Zach Vraa (1,191 receiving yards).
Vigen began his college coaching career as a graduate assistant for the Bison from 1998-2000. He became a full-time coach in 2001, coaching the NDSU tight ends in 2001 and the quarterbacks in 2002. He remained at his alma mater as the running backs coach in 2003 when Craig Bohl became head coach of the Bison. From 2004-08, Vigen was elevated to passing game coordinator and quarterbacks coach, and in 2009 he was named offensive coordinator and continued to coach the Bison QBs.
He coached two-time All-America tight end Jared Peck in 2000 and 2001. Peck went on to sign a free-agent contract with the Denver Broncos.
Vigen helped to develop two-time Great West Football Conference Player of the Year, quarterback Steve Walker, who earned the honor in 2006 and 2007. North Dakota State was 8th in rushing offense (219.82 ypg) and 19th in total offense (400.09 ypg) in the 2009 NCAA Division I FCS statistics. Running back Pat Paschall led the FCS in rushing yards per game (139.7) in 2009.
As a player, Vigen was a tight end for the Bison from 1993-97. He was part of three NCAA Division II Playoff squads in 1994, ‘95 and ‘97. In 1994, he helped lead NDSU to the North Central Conference (NCC) Championship. The Bison advanced to the NCAA Division II Quarterfinals in 1994 and ‘95 and the First Round of the 1997 Playoffs.
A native of Buxton, N.D., Vigen earned his bachelor’s degree from NDSU in 1998 and completed his master’s degree, also from North Dakota State in 2000. He and his wife, Molly, have three boys, Jake, Grant and Luke. Molly played basketball at NDSU and was a member of the 1996 NCAA Division II National Championship team and three NCC title squads. -
4 hours ago, Putin said:
The eye Chico the eye ? never lies !!
Man, that's the boss's lady, you're gonna get us killed.
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7 hours ago, schoolhouserock said:
Where’s Marv?! He had some good ones, didn’t he?
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10 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:
We didn’t give up two first round picks for Watkins. We swapped our first round pick with Cleveland’s first round pick. Then we traded them a future future first round pick.
2014 Bills 1st Round Pick + 2015 Bills 1st Round Pick - 2014 Browns 1st Round Pick = 1 First Round Pick given up for Sammy Watkins.
Don't forget the 2015 4th round pick!
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2 hours ago, Bisonbreath123 said:
I grew up in the Rockpile. I was around 12-15 years old in the mid 60s and fought (got the crap beat out of me by adults) trying to get XP's and FG's that went into the Dodge street endzone seats. This was in the days before they put nets up to stop the footballs and Genesse beers in bottles! were sold by the case.......Yes, by the CASE !!! I actually had 6 footballs in my hands but only got out of the stadium with 1 as the cops took back 5 and gave them away to their person of choice. The football I got out of the stadium with was called "The Duke" and it was the ball that was shared the NFL and AFL as it was close to the 2 leagues merging. Like a dumb pre-teen, i played catch and touch football in the streets with neighborhood kids, left it in the yard and <poof> it disappeared. My bad but kids do stupid things.
It was a great time to grow up being a Bills fan in the old Rockpile and 50 years later I cherish the memories.
A good friend of mine John ("Rocky") got a "Duke" in the rockpile around '69 or so.
That thing was like a "holy relic" for us when we played with it.
Thanks for the memory!
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5 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:
Mack is also coming off a disappointing season. I'm worried he may have already played his best ball, and may be a very good, but not top tier elite player on his second contact.
What statistic gives you that fact?
Mack just came off 10.5 sacks with 61 solo tackles and a combined 78 tackles. That's All Pro for a DE.
2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:Not really. Bosa, Chandler Jones, Campbell, Miller, Lawrence are all top tier with a lot more just behind them. You don't need the best, you need one of the best.
Don't bring up Lawrence. Him and Mack came into the league at the same time. Lawrence's numbers are no where close to Mack's and he signed a
one year contract (because he can't stay healthy) for over 17 million.
Von Miller, yeah he's great that's why he is the highest paid. Mack is in the same category.
Chandler Jones was a disappointment in NE, that's why he was traded. He is much better in Arizona but still not the all around player Mack is.
Bosa could be exceptional. If so he will command close to 25 million a year when his rookie contract is up.
If the Chargers wait to pay him the way the Raiders are doing with Mack, he will leave too.
So if your conclusion is Mack may not be the best because of Von Miller or maybe Bosa....................
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4 hours ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:
My Sundays in the fall used to be centered around the NFL. I'd wake up, watch the pregame show. Drive to the bar. Watch the Bills. Drive home. Watch whatever late afternoon game I could get on local TV, or RedZone. Watch the Sunday Night game. Then usually watch MNF.
Now, I'm just as passionate about The Bills as I've ever been. Go out to the bar, watch every game. New Year's Eve was probably the best day of my year last year. Pumped for this season. But I can count on one hand the number of non Bills games I watched last year. If anything, I'd rather watch a college game if I have no direct rooting interest.
I don't give a **** about the anthem protests. While I'm not the biggest fan of the new rule changes, it hasn't turned me off completely to the NFL. I just find myself less enthused to watch NFL football than I used to be. Even my fantasy players I usually just check the stats online. Anybody else feel this way?
Maybe you are just getting older.
My Fridays all year long used to be centered around going to work, coming home, cleaning up and going to the bar and running the girls.
Got up on Saturday, didn't have to go to work, had more time to rinse and repeat Friday night.
Now. years later I'm just not as passionate about doing that. Still like doing that, just not as much as I use to.
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31 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:
It would take more than that for sure. I think the Raiders wouldn't value Hughes as anything more than a throw in. The Raiders I imagine would probably come in asking for a 1st and 3rd in 2019 and a 2nd in 2020. If Mack wasn't demanding such a huge contract I might bite but that's a lot of money and draft capital to give up for one player. Even if you got the deal down to a 1st and 4th in 2019 plus a 2nd in 2020 that's still significant draft capital.
I hear you but it is dependent on what the other teams can afford too.
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11 minutes ago, H2o said:
If you ask me, it's destiny for Mack to be in Buffalo. Beane isn't afraid to wheel and deal plus we have a sh*t ton of cap room about to open up. Get ready people, Mack is coming home.
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19 minutes ago, ThunderGun said:
Hughes or Lawson and a first? Then if Murphy ever gets healthy, this defense will just be a Biscuit away.
I've said Hughes and a 1st.
Hughes nets you $6.35 million in cap savings.
Lawson nets you $1.38.
My question to all would be IF the trade goes down AND Hughes is still on the team, where does Hughes go?
Both play the right DE position.
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26 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:
Appreciate what Tyrod did for us, but dear god that 2 minute drill brought up terrible memories. He just doesn’t seem capable of getting up to the line quickly and making passes down the field.
Brought back bad memories.
Browns D looks legit. Don't feel as bad now.
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7 minutes ago, jimmy10 said:
Yeezus Christ...
"yes?"
"What?"
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It sure would be nice to have a Bills QB throw for over 25 TD's.
I'll take that even with a 59% completion stat.
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Why the hell didn't we address the OLINE?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I wanted them to sign Boone months ago.
We shall see if Beane thinks he needs to address the OL.