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1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:
If Kelce was so dominant in the playoffs, how did KC only score 23 ppg? Why was the offense not just humming?
That’s what their O did all year… think you’re proving my point? It’s not about speed speed speed.
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6 minutes ago, Brandon said:
I don't care whether he is or not. He's averaging 80 catches for over 1,000 yards in his first three seasons in the league. If that's a #2, I can still live with that.
He won’t because he can’t get off the line. He is not Davanta off the line. Davanta is special off the line which is why he’s having a good few years.
1 minute ago, section122 said:Why do you keep bringing up johnston? Hes 6'4 and ran in the 4.5s. He and worthy are completely opposite style receivers.
Evaluation of talent bubba.
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3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:
Travis Kelce at age 34 is not an elite or dominant playmaking TE anymore. The Chiefs scored 23 ppg last year as an offense last year and in the playoffs.
We also have Kincaid entering his prime years while Kelce is starting to decline.
He isn’t Kelce yet. He can be. He isn’t yet. I agree on kelce but to look at his numbers in the play offs.
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Just now, Royale with Cheese said:
Do you need a true #1 WR to win a Super Bowl?
I would consider Kelce the Chiefs #1. Yes, you do. We don’t have Kelsey at TE, yet. Again if we had a dominate #1 or a Kelce… I’d be all for the worthy pick. We don’t have that.
3 minutes ago, Low Positive said:This is what obsessed fans do at draft time; they "scout" and "grade" college prospects, form strong and unmovable opinions and then throw temper tantrums that would put a 3-year-old to shame when the team has a different draft board than they do.
No ones doing that bud. But go ahead.
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2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:
DeVonta Smith is and he ran a 4.3
Worthy is 21, he can add muscle.
If we had a bonafide #1. A big bodied guy, Worthy would be PERFECT. But we already have small guys. We do not need Worthy. We need a #1
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Just now, Royale with Cheese said:
DeVonta Smith is and he ran a 4.3
Worthy is 21, he can add muscle.
Is he a number 1?!
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Just now, Royale with Cheese said:
Jamar Chase ran a 4.38
Tyreek Hill best was 4.29
DK Metcalf ran a 4.33
Jaylen Waddle 4.37
How many of those guys are 170 pounds?
1 minute ago, TOboy said:Why are you so concerned what other people believe?
Personally I agree with you on Worthy. I wouldn’t love him and would far prefer BTJ or Mitchell as I think they can be true #1’s.
That said, why worry about what others think? The only opinion that matters is Beane (and arguably others in the organization). If they go with Worthy we’ll just have to hope they knew better than us and root him on. At least it is tantalizing to imagine him catching 70 yard bombs from Josh.
It’s a forum that we talk about the Bills and our feelings about the team. The draft is tomorrow.
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8 minutes ago, Logic said:
I'm not doing this with you today.
It is my opinion that you're fixating on and exaggerating Worthy's negative qualities and completely ignoring his positive qualities.
The fastest 40 time in combine history, to go along with a freshman breakout season, three straight years of quality production at Texas, and a likely 1st or 2nd round draft position, all indicate that Worthy is a legitimate weapon, and that NFL teams view him as such.
It's fine that you don't like the prospect. I do. Like I said, we can agree to disagree. We'll see in a day or two where he winds up, and we can check back in with each other as his career in the NFL goes along.
People get far too certain about draft prospects and far too emotionally invested in their success or failure. I like him. You (very clearly and evidently) do not. C'est la vie.
How fast was the Chiefs team last year? (We were faster at every single offensive position)
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1 minute ago, Logic said:
I'm not doing this with you today.
It is my opinion that you're fixating on and exaggerating Worthy's negative qualities and completely ignoring his positive qualities.
The fastest 40 time in combine history, to go along with a freshman breakout season, three straight years of quality production at Texas, and a likely 1st or 2nd round draft position, all indicate that Worthy is a legitimate weapon, and that NFL teams view him as such.
It's fine that you don't like the prospect. I do. Like I said, we can agree to disagree. We'll see in a day or two where he winds up, and we can check back in with each other as his career in the NFL goes along.
People get far too certain about draft prospects and far too emotionally invested in their success or failure. I like him. You (very clearly and evidently) do not. C'est la vie.
You're not doing it because you said speed speed speed and it's UTTERLY false. The best WR's in this league other than ONE don't run below a 4.4
Your speed claim is inaccurate. I didn't even talk about Worthy at all in my previous post. Again, what did you think of Quentin Johnstone coming out of TCU?
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9 minutes ago, SWATeam said:
He doesn't even look nearly as fast as his timed speed to be. He's high cut with those long legs. Once he gets going he's electric but I don't see him as very sudden or elusive. I'd hate the pick.
I would be MISERABLE with the pick.. There is NO WAY Beane sends a card in with Worthy.
I would bet he is blowing smoke to get someone else to take him and get his guy to drop.
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43 minutes ago, Logic said:
As for him being a massive bust: I disagree. All this "he'll never get off the line" stuff completely ignores the way modern NFL offenses scheme receivers open. It completely ignores the recent success of guys like Tyreek Hill, Zay Flowers, and Hollywood Brown. It ignores the success of offenses like the Dolphins.
The modern NFL game is all about speed. Speed, speed, speed. It's one of the hardest things to defend. Having a guy who can both take the top off a defense and open things up for the players underneath AND be explosive in terms of RAC is hugely important. It's not just me saying it. Beane and McDermott both spent the offseason talking about adding speed, explosivity, and RAC to the offense. Worthy has all of those things. He also has three years of quality production at Texas.
He is NOT a "straight line speed only", one trick pony. He has lateral quickness, route running ability, toughness, and smarts.
We can agree to disagree on the issue. I think Worthy is gonna be a very good player, and I think he would make perfect sense as the Bills' preferred choice.You can love a 6'1 170 pound WR. BUT the bolded is ABSOLUTELY and UTTERLY false. That is A HORRIFIC take.
Zay Flowers ran a 4.42 and is 4 inches shorter than Worthy and weighs 10 pounds more. HOLLY WOOD BROWN?!?!?!?!?!?! REALLY?
Sure Tyreek has been great but so has: Mike Evans, Davante Adams, JJ, CeeDee Lamb, AJ Brown, Aiyuk, Chris Godwin, Amon-Ra St. Brown, Kupp, Keenan Allen, Puka, Deebo, Cooper, and the list goes on.
only ONE has ran under a 4.4....
Your little fast guys are FAR out numbered. Be honest, what did you think of Quentin Johnstone coming out of TCU last year? Assume you loved him?
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40 minutes ago, Brandon said:
I don't think he's a 'one trick' type by any stretch. The size issue is definitely a real concern, IMO, but he's otherwise a real receiver prospect, not just a track guy running vertical routes. He's been a 60+ catch guy three years in a row at Texas. He can run routes.
I'm not sure he's their first choice or anything, but I definitely think he's in play for the Bills.
He wasn’t asked to do much at Texas. If he can’t get off the line in the NFL, he will relegate to just that. Speed sweep guy and occasionally catch a nice deep ball.
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41 minutes ago, section122 said:
I disagree strongly that he is a 1 trick pony. He is indeed fast but he was the leading wr for texas with ad mitchell on the team. He can play the position. Being fast is the cherry on top.
I just don’t see it. He was a superior athlete, rarely pressed, wasn’t asked to do a ton. If he has a successful career (even similar stats to what he had at Texas) I’d be STUNNED. It’s incredibly rare that undersized guys like that make it in the NFL. We also need a bigger receiver. We don’t need worthy. We have Samuel and KS
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12 hours ago, Logic said:
I think it's down to what Tyler Dunne said today:
The two scenarios for the Bills are either:
1) Trade up for Rome Odunze2) Xavier Worthy
It's gonna be one of those two things.
I like the idea of both. A true alpha X receiver would be great. A truly electrifying Z receiver with terrifying speed to open up the middle for Kincaid, Shakir, Samuel, and Cook is great. Either one would improve the Bills offense greatly. Two different flavors, but both would make us more dynamic.
I really believe it's down to those two options as the most likely.I don't understand why people are enamored with Worthy. He is sooo skinny and one trick and that is NOT the kind of receiver we need. We lose to the Chiefs because we can't get off the line. We would probably have the smallest receiving corps in the NFL if we draft him. He will be a monumental bust, IMO.
There is next to 0 chance Beane takes Worthy.
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how did they take Atlanta's uniforms and make them worse? Those are ..... so awful.
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1 minute ago, Starr Almighty said:
Cuban is trying to get a casino and new arena built so he can make even more money. His best bet was to sell to Sands Casino to get the ball rolling.
Oh I'm aware. I live in Dallas and am FULLY aware of his future plans .
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8 minutes ago, Logic said:
It's more and more common for sports owners to do this.
Tax reasons, stadium cost overruns, etc, etc...
Graham lays it out well in the article.Yeah Mark Cuban recently did this with the Mavs.. but he actually did the majority
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"Hey, in my opinion, I think we're going to be worse because we got rid of 4 30 year olds and a very injury plagued corner who was 3rd best on the team anyway. I have no basis as to why our expectations are lower other than they are getting rid of players who I like.
Because of this: let's trade our generational talent at QB who is on par with the best in the league and who has carried this team for 3 years by himself. I think we should trade him for a guy who wears lip stick and dresses, and is very unproven and can be a bust. Get other receivers who I think are good but can also turn out to be busts. This makes a lot of sense"
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6 minutes ago, julian said:
I’ve seen plenty of people agreeing with your idea of Baker eventually becoming a #1, lots of respected talent evaluators, yet I always see him late 2nd,3rd rnd and in some cases a day 3 pick.
Why the disconnect ?
So That's why in my reply to him I mentioned his instincts and football IQ.
I have to wonder if his positioning, route running, etc leaves a lot to be desired. I'll watch some film and get back to you. I'm interested as well.
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2 hours ago, mannc said:
Except in the playoffs, where offensive holding is legal…
Just for 1 team.
3 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:Javon Baker in round 4 would be an absolute steal. I doubt he's still available. He could be a potential WR1 type eventually
100% agree here.. he is an athletic freak. With Josh.. I dont doubt he would be a super star. I just dont know much about his "instincts" or "football IQ"
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27 minutes ago, FireChans said:
All those bum Tim Settle-esque contracts add up. Pennies make pounds.
Literally none of them affected our salary cap or what we wanted to do. They're adding up?
Please tell me one move we couldn't make last year because of Hardy/ Settle's contracts..
Go to Spotrac, go to every team and you will find depth players with higher salaries than they deserve. It happens on every team. Those dollars are used for depth players.
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On 4/10/2024 at 9:40 PM, FireChans said:
This is the real reason the Bills cap was a mess. You simply cannot spend this much money on guys who cannot contribute.
Yeah man, that 4M is REALLLLLY screwing the Bills.. how will we EVER recover?
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On 4/11/2024 at 8:05 AM, uticaclub said:
Stop it with the “narrative”. Can this team contend for a Super Bowl the way it's coached and constructed?
Coached, no.
Constructed, yes. Chiefs have proven as long as you have a QB, the rest doesn't really matter. Our QB is on par with that QB. Our Head Coach is not on par with their HC.
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3 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:
A 4th or 5th rounder is a ton of value? Roquan is as get as it gets at the position and went for a 2nd rounder at age 25. McCaffrey went for a 2nd rounder too. Non-rush LB’s are in same boat as RB’s
Lol what? Where did I say that? Did you even think about reading the post? I said "I never suggested that nor would I do that"
A second rounder is a prettttty high return for ANY player. Diggs just went for a second? LOL.
Rumor: Bills trying aggressively to move up for a WR in round one
in The Stadium Wall
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EXACTLY.. Tyreek is put together like a brick sh** house.