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he was still a threat, and how good was Denvers defense that season?

clearly i never wrote "never". Pats go through defensive backs like we go through QBs. that tells me they find the spot plug and play. the majority of their secondary players are no names, sure a few stick. and every once in awhile they open the bank for one. but none of that made me fear their defense last year when we played them. and if it wasnt for a colossal fail on the falcons' defense, we'd be talking about how much fun it was to watch the Pats lose that game and how their defense stunk.

How many game manager QBs have won Super Bowls without a Hall of Fame caliber defense? How many run first QBs have won one? of course people werent expecting Tyrod to be a gunslinger. Kinda why half of Bills nation wants him gone, yesterday. The goal is to win it all, not be happy we made the playoffs. You honestly think Tyrod can take you to the promised land?

it worked just fine, sure our running game was #1, did it equate to wins? nice to be great running team when u have a lead, didnt happen often last year. when youre down points late in the game and have to throw, are u counting on Tyrod to bring home that win? when defenses shut down our running game last season, and they did quite a bit, regardless of the numbers, we were screwed. anybody that watched the games could see it. balance is needed. and no, defenses didnt stack the box all the time, they didnt need to. but when they did, bye bye running game. but this all comes back to our poor defense, if only they had turned the ball over more, or scored more, or etc etc. our d didnt make Tyrod fail in the passing game at key moments every game.

6 ints is a nice number if your throwing for over 4k yrds and high 20s in tds. 43 sacks taken didnt help either. sure hes careful with the ball. thats nice. u know what opposing defenses thought last year? load the box, try to stop McCoy hope Tyrod doesnt connect on a long fly route or break the pocket. play 1st and 2nd down like that, keep the Bills in 3rd and long, win. u cant honestly tell me that the lack of a passing game doesnt hurt the offense. and remember, alot of his passing stats came in garbage time. lotta garbage time last season.

17 tds, 6 ints, 6 rushing tds. 3k yrds. pedestrian numbers. 22nd ranked QB in power ratings. u claim this high scoring Bills offense, your QB is sub 20 passing tds......cmon. 23 tds responsible for isnt a playoff QB. little over 1 per game isnt winning anything. and u cant argue that he helps McCoys numbers in the running game when defenses stack 8 in the box knowing that your QB isnt a passing threat.... Tyrod having to complete passes over 5yrds on 3rd down last season absolutely killed this offense. meanwhile a defense that admittedly was subpar couldnt ever get off the field, and when they finally did, got put right back on. Did u watch all the games where Tyrod failed repeatedly on 3rd down? was mbe 1 where he didnt.

not impressive at all, youre bringing up teams from 10+years ago, last year they may have been #1 in points allowed but they were mediocre in everything else. you could move the ball on them. and yes, Belichick is a hall of fame defensive minded coach. They won the Super Bowl last year, but boy was the defense in that game terrible. none of his teams have been known for their secondary. relevant considering we're discussing Gillmore. lets not forget, Patsies had the easiest schedule by far last year.

^this, sums up Bills 2016 season. running game A passing game C- defense D special teams D coaching D playoff chances F

wasnt aware that Cleveland had sold off all their good players in the effort to land the top rated QB prospect every year. i dont remember them taking any top QBs over the span of their recent ineptitude. you are correct however in their never ending rebuild. they still lack any consistency at the most important position, same one the Jets are tanking for, same one half of Bills fans are unsure about, QB.

if this upcoming QB draft class is to be believed as amazing, then the rebuild should be now. clearly not in rebuild mode. clearly not in playoff push mode either. just kinda muddling around like usual.

am i missing something? was Gilmore a game changer? he was ok, but my feeling about him was, make a play, blow a play, make a play, blow a play. not worth what the Pats paid for him. sure he'll probably be above average for them, they have an offense that can support a defense. they have a hall of fame coach/QB. Pats defense has never really been all that impressive imo. Seems to be huge turnover in their secondary every year. Willing to bet that the Pats get exactly what we've seen all these years with Gillmore, meh, hes ok.

they get bent outta shape cuz hes a Patriot now. Its just that simple.

now if only Brady would retire.....

air-raid offenses scare me, QBs (Falk/Washington St) from those systems rarely pan out in the NFL. I havent looked at the possible QBs for the next draft yet, but i would like to see the Bills find a guy who can read defenses, the whole field, and throw with anticipation. Dont care about arm strength (anything above a noodle for an arm is fine). Guy has to be intelligent enough to understand all the variables on the field. Even a mediocre passing threat will create offensive balance. One trick ponies at the QB spot let defenses off easy. You have to run and throw to win in this league.

Tyrod has significant holes in his game. end of story. no skewed stats will convince me that he can read the whole field, throw recievers open, or read defenses correctly. Hes a work in progress, hes not terrible, hes not a playoff QB either. Hes a running QB with little experience as a pocket QB. Can he take the next step? we shall see. Hes overpayed by a team desperate for anything that doesnt look like the next terrible Bills QB. Go Bills!

i see no rebuild here, sure turnover in the depth spots and coaching staff. A good coaching staff will mold its philosophy around the players it has, so there shouldnt be a huge dropoff. saying that i realize what Rex did to the defense.....still, trying to be positive

i sure hope they can run screens effectively, as any bills fan should know, its been over a decade since we've not sucked at any kind of screen, be it a pass or run. i get very jealous watching the pats run successful screen plays against us every year.

lol.......JM2009, get ready Bills fans, this thread is what u can expect all season when he posts. Now, on topic, meh, camp injury. Dareus needs to prove something this year, this hammy tweak isnt too much to worry about at this point. It rolls into the season then we can all spew out our frustration with him. Till then, yawn.

wait till the season starts, when tyrod is missing open recievers, still cant read 2/3 of the field, and people start calling him out, JM2009 will be starting forum fights all over the place. He has a history of it. Pretty much all he did on the other forum.