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    Little Danny Snyder doesn’t like Redskins success…

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    2 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

    Such a beautiful thing that the Commanders are having a great year as soon as this jerkoff was forced to sell the team.  Very good article!
     

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/43538463/snyder-hates-commanders-success

    This is a horribly written story.  Absolutely no content and doesn't even get a first hand account from Snyder.  I grew up in Washington so I know they don't think much of it but getting a person that knows Snyder to comment about what he thinks about Washington's success must mean they are out of content

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    Christian Benford in concussion protocol

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    9 hours ago, Reks Ryan said:

    Benford & Rapp both missed the divisional game against KC last year

    So did Milano.  I think our defense as a whole is better this year. I could be wrong but I get the sense Benford will play.  The play seemed harmless enough when he got injured.  I get a feeling that if it was earlier in the game he would have been cleared to go back in.  

    We don’t have a number 1 WR

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    Just now, Buffalo716 said:

    Tom Brady says he was their number one

    Fair enough.... 

    1 minute ago, MJS said:

    Amari Cooper is the #1 receiver. Shakir is the slot receiver. The Bills offense does not feature the #1 receiver. They spread the ball around and target whoever is open and focus on specific matchups week to week.

    I think for the sake of argument he is I think the true X receiver (or whatever they called it when he was coming in).  The question is probably what do people think is a #1 receiver.  Some think its most receptions, so think its most yardage but more importantly for me I think it's who the defense worries about and gameplans against most.  That could have been Kincaid with Shakir helping out but Kincaid I don't think progressed the way they wanted him to.  

    We don’t have a number 1 WR

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    Just now, mbs said:

    Still think they can get there without him, but I agree. I'd be much more convinced by the everyone eats mantra if he showed what I expected when he was signed and I still think he may.

    I would feel much better honestly if Kincaid progressed more.  That's the killer right there

    Just now, Buffalo716 said:

    So then it's also not gronkowski LOL 

     

    You're actually proving my point that Tom Brady can win with James White and Julian Edelman getting the most targets lol

     

    But James White is running to yard routes and he's not even a wide receiver or tight end.. he was Tom Brady's checkdown specialist

    So I absolutely don't disagree with that at all.  Only thing I was saying was Edelmen isn't a #1 

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    We don’t have a number 1 WR

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    2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

    I’m back-  go ahead-  tell me how many seasons that gronk out targeted Edelman per game from 2013-2018

    I'm trying to keep up are we talking per game and focusing on cherry pick years?  Just trying to understand your rules lol

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    1 minute ago, NewEra said:

     

    Oh man-  this is amazing-  guy cites me for cherry picking stats then talks about one year James white leads in targets due to an Edelman injury.  
     

    I was talking about a 7 year span. Not one season like you.  
     

    thanks for the laughs though.  I’m out


     

    You can still delete them!!

    Guess you don't like others playing your game.  James White was to show how insane your mindset is.

    We don’t have a number 1 WR

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    2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

    You apparently aren’t taking targets per game into the equation- not factoring in Edelman time missed as the reason White led the team 

     

    Edelman- 9 targets per game

    White- 7.6

     

    but whatever floats your boat to prove your point 

    LOL.  Go back and factor per game on Gronk then.  Might hurt your argument.  To say Edelman is the number one target is crazy when Gronk was on the team.

    We don’t have a number 1 WR

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    1 minute ago, mbs said:

    Love Shakir, but no. I think this team still needs a better receiver. I think they can win it all, but it is definitely a liability. "Efficient" is nice but it's also pretty close to cope.

     

    I think the injuries that have plagued them in the playoffs past have led the organization to prefer excellent but not elite starters and very good depth over elite starters and bad backups, particularly on oline and defense, but it looks like that at skill positions too. Their arguably league top 5-10 players are Dawkins, Brown, Cook, Benford, and Bernard who are, apart from Dawkins, draft picks that are on rookie deals or got locked up at what looks like a great value. Even Dawkins is maybe a bargain.

     

    I think that's a strategy, but I gotta believe --hope-- they would break the bank for a Justin Jefferson if they could. (Or Garrett/Crosby. . . please.)

     

    I think the players on offense can work as long as Samuel shows his old self.  I do agree better receivers would be nice though

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    1 minute ago, NewEra said:

    Is it not?  
     

    When becoming a full time starter in 2013, his 16 game averages: 104 rec,

    1132 yards, 6tds.

    If he had played full 16 game seasons, it puts him at totals of 728 rec, 7924 yards, 42 TDs from 2013-2019.

    From 2013-2019, those totals would put him 1st among WRs in receptions, 4th in yards, tied for 7th in TDs.

    Now, lets look at his playoff 16 game averages from 2013-2018: 131 rec,

    1645 yards, 3 TDs.

    Those totals from 2013-2018. would be: 786 rec, 9870 yards, 18 TDs.

    From 2013-2018, those numbers would place him 1st in receptions, 1st in yards, 55th for TDs.

    Not to mention, he is 2nd all time postseason receptions and yards, only to Jerry Rice.

     

    https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/zMwNkimKtK

     

    He wasn’t an X (and neither was Gronk) but he was a focal point of the offense-  looking at those numbers- Gronk was the superior talent- but Edelman was a focal point-  I don’t think they had one focal point.  

    Cherry picking stats.  Don't forget 2011 and 2012.  Also how many games was Gronk out.

    We don’t have a number 1 WR

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    2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

    The whole point was there are slot guys who have been the number one option

     

    If you get the most targets on your team you are the top option 

     

    That's not the debatable even if Rob gronkowski is better

     

    Julian Edelman was the number one option multiple times for the Patriots

    So in 2018 the #1 receiver for the Patriots was James White, not Edelman or Gronk, is that what you are saying?

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    We don’t have a number 1 WR

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    5 minutes ago, Wizard said:

    I am not sure why there is a debate on this topic.

     

    Here are the facts.

    1. Shakir is a good/very good receiver, but he is not a #1

     

    2. The Bills do have some fairly good pieces in Coleman, Higgins, and Samuel.

     

    3. Regardless of one's opinion on Shakir, we need another quality receiver in this draft with one of our fop 3 picks and/or a trade.

     

    Alright...now let's move along. 

    Maybe Coleman can be that guy.  He has to keep refining his craft though.  I believe Higgins you meant Hollins

    Just now, Buffalo716 said:

    That's because gronkowski is more dominant lol

     

    But Julian Edelman got more Targets therefore top target 

     

    Gronkowski is just better 

    So not the #1 anymore just most receptions.... interesting

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    9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

    Edelman out targeted gronk every season by a fair amount.  
     

    what’s a #1 WR?  some say it an X that plays outside and get lots of targets able to beat man coverage on the reg.  
     

    neither Edelman nor Gronk were that.  If a team has neither, I’d have to say the #1 was the guy that got the most targets.  That was Edelman.  
     

    Doesn’t hurt that he’s an actual WR and not a TE- but that’s not my reasoning.

     

    Having multiple guys that a defense has to focus on rather than one guy that can be doubled and taken out of the game plan.  It may be difficult to amass the talent capable of this if you don’t have the proper QB-  but we do, so I’m not sweating it.  The progressions are similar to my favorite Guru (Gangstarr) lyrics-  “ex girl to the next girl”.  
     

     

     

    That's not accurate but for sake of argument Gronk had significantly more yardage.  But by that same logic Welker far caught more receptions than Moss and got more yardage.  

    We don’t have a number 1 WR

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    1 minute ago, NewEra said:

    Edelman out targeted gronk every season by a fair amount.  
     

    what’s a #1 WR?  some say it an X that plays outside and get lots of targets able to beat man coverage on the reg.  
     

    neither Edelman nor Gronk were that.  If a team has neither, I’d have to say the #1 was the guy that got the most targets.  That was Edelman.  
     

    Doesn’t hurt that he’s an actual WR and not a TE- but that’s not my reasoning.

     

    Having multiple guys that a defense has to focus on rather than one guy that can be doubled and taken out of the game plan.  It may be difficult to amass the talent capable of this if you don’t have the proper QB-  but we do, so I’m not sweating it.  The progressions are similar to my favorite Guru (Gangstarr) lyrics-  “ex girl to the next girl”.  
     

     

     

    If Edelman was on a team I wouldn't worry about taking him out of the game, Gronk was the key.  Targets is not a very telling stat as Gronk was less likely open most of the time.  I'm not sure this is the discussion we really want to have on this thread, though.  All I am saying is Shakir reminds me more of Welker.

    We don’t have a number 1 WR

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    4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

    Wide receiver I did not say catching option 

     

    Julian Edelman 100% had the wide receiver offense ran through him multiple times Tom Brady said it himself

     

    Welker had Randy Moss taking the top off for a few years..

     

    But they both were number one wide receivers at a point for Tom Brady

    Agreed Randy Moss was a force.  I do think Welker is more appropriate to Shakir.  Welker was a huge YAC guy and worked well with Moss as Shakir worked better with a Amari Cooper on the field

    We don’t have a number 1 WR

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    1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

    Wide receiver I did not say catching option 

     

    Julian Edelman 100% had the wide receiver offense ran through him multiple times Tom Brady said it himself

     

    Edelman had Randy Moss taking the top off for a few years

    That's just silly.  

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    7 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

    No, no, no…..no

     

    There are other guys higher on the depth chart. AFCC is not the time to have a guy play his first game of the year

     

    we all love Hyde, but stop 

    Hyde is the best safety we have.  The only reason he did not come back and start this year was him.

    2 hours ago, Brand J said:

    If Hyde was going to play, he should’ve got some time in the last game against NE. The game will move VERY fast for him if he gets out there, even with his years and years of experience. You don’t just walk back into meaningful time in professional sports like that. 

    I disagree.  If you have been doing it for years and as he has been practicing, he will have no problem if his body can stay healthy.

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