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9 hours ago, BigDingus said:
But college stats don't really mean much when it comes to NFL production. Anyone remember how negative many were on using a 3rd round pick on Dawson Knox?
What was special about a guy whose best season was 300 rec yards, or having 0 TDs through his entire college career? Thankfully, Beane knew better than I did.
Knox is not special in any way and is ridiculously overpaid.
He scored 9 tds one season because he was Josh Allen's main RZ target but he's scored a total of 13tds in his other 4 seasons, 3.25 per year. He's gained less than 400 yds in 3 out of his 5 seasons and has never gained over 587 yds.
He made over $14 million last year and gained 186 yards with 2 tds.
Probably not the best endorsement for what you're selling.
People had good reason to question that 3rd round pick imo, and even more reason to question that extension.
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The article says " they added speedster Gabe Davis" 🤣
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Davis hit the 4th highest top speed among all college rbs last season, 21.7 mph vs Florida. People don't think of him as fast but only 3 rbs ran faster.
He ran for 280 yds that game and won me $ on FanDuel. 🙂
This guy is a legitimate 3 down back and will not be pigeonholed as a short yardage back. He'll be able to sub for Cook on any down and run the full playbook.
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Hate to burst bubbles but the narrative that he has fast in-game speed and that he is a beast at contested catches is not supported by the data.
His contested catch win rate of 45% was 11th among prospects. His top in game speed of 19.6 mph was 15th.
Even though he has good size, he's not good at beating press or single man coverage either.
I'm not saying he won't be good, I'm just saying that these assumptions many are making were not backed up on the field. If they were not strengths in college, expecting them to be strengths in the pros seems completely unrealistic.
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These are the top speeds hit by the top prospects during last college season from Reel Analytics
Colemans top speed of 19.6 mph, he achieved during a punt return, was the lowest among the 15 wrs they posted.
Ray Davis with the 4th highest top speed for rbs of 21.7 mph vs Florida
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6 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said:
Yeah, that's not right. I am sorry I can't pinpoint it, but you can find it pretty easy on Google. There is also a great article you can find on the fading reliance on draft 40 times in favor of GPS-measured game speed. Beane is quoted in it a couple months before the draft. Headline is something like "Are 40 times becoming obsolete" or "Is the 40-yard dash archaic." I will jump on Google and try to find the Coleman stuff and post it if I do. Cheers, and Go Bills!
Here is a link - NextGenStats.
Those speeds are from running those route drills in shorts at the combine.
Not in game speed last season.
Reel Analytics tracks and posts top speeds in game each week of the season. Coleman's top speed in game last year was 19.6 mph, last among the 15 wr prospects the article covered.
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9 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said:
And I was distraught because Keon Coleman is "slow" - until I read that he was top 4 in the draft in GPS-clocked game speed for EVERY route form, and second fastest in the draft on "GO" routes. That means faster than Odunze, faster than Brian Thomas. Breathe. We are in a golden era of Bills fandom. We will get there. Before I die.
Where did you read that?
His top game speed last season was only 19.6 mph
Here's a list of the top speeds of the top prospects. Coleman is last among the 15 wrs they posted.
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You can blame Diggs for being the same guy he's always been but the Bills knew who he was; and still they put themselves in a position where he could damage the team.
Giving him the large guaranteed money extension with 2 years still left on his contract was an unnecessary, self-inflicted mistake; especially with Allen about to sign his huge 2nd contract.
That contract with the 2 years left would have expired after last season. A perfect time to move on and $31 million more to spend winning a SB this year. $31 million more this season could have made a big difference in their chances. Instead they have the biggest non QB dead cap hit in NFL history.
Blame Diggs for being himself ...but Beane and the Bills should have known better, they did this to themselves.
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22 hours ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:
I thought 40 times weren’t relevant and that game speed is what mattered? His game speed looks slow to me still after rewatching that video.He had the 4th highest top in-game speed among all college rbs last season, 21.7 mph vs Florida.
For comparison, Coleman's top speed last season was 19.6 mph
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I see a lot of fans are labelling him a short yardage back.....Davis hit the 4th highest in-game top speed among all college rbs last season, 21.7 mph vs Florida.
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Brenden Rice had the 5th highest top speed in college football last season and nobody says he's fast. He scored 12 tds and avg 17.5 per catch and nobody wanted to draft him. That is mind boggling to me.
Troy Franklin with the 2nd fastest top speed and his 4.41 40 at the combine was a disappointment.
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More data from Reel Analytics from 2023 season
College Football’s Fastest Players: Most Appearances at 21.0+ mph
Trey Benson, RB, Florida State: 3 times
Dylan Edwards, RB, Colorado: 2 times
Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State: 2 times
Troy Franklin, WR, Oregon: 2 times
Xavier Worthy, WR, Texas: 2 timesNo other player has hit 21.0 mph or higher more than once in 2023.
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Fastest in game top speeds for rbs wrs in the draft from '23 season:
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2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
why botherClueless
"We need to get more explosive"...
Ya right
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Just now, Putin said:
You’d think the 49’ers out of the respect for Jerry would use a late rd pick on him
I'm just wondering why teams think he isn't any good. He looked impressive the few games I saw him play.
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Rice avg 17.6 yds and scored 12 tds last year, #1 target for the #1 pick in the draft....he's also Jerry Rice's kid and nobody wants him?
Not even worth a 6th round pick?
Puzzling
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Cmon
Take Rice
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2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
I’m tired of reading about 40 yard dash stuff. Jerry Rice would have dropped based on that. Coleman is fluid from what I’m reading and can win contested catches. Let the kid play.
Coleman was 11th among draft wrs in contested catch % at 45%.
Not sure why everyone keeps claiming he's great at contested catches.
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These are the only guys who topped 21 mph more than once during 2023 season
Harrison Franklin and Worthy the only wrs on it
College Football’s Fastest Players: Most Appearances at 21.0+ mph
Trey Benson, RB, Florida State: 3 times
Dylan Edwards, RB, Colorado: 2 times
Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State: 2 times
Troy Franklin, WR, Oregon: 2 times
Xavier Worthy, WR, Texas: 2 timesNo other player has hit 21.0 mph or higher more than once in 2023.
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1 hour ago, Heitz said:
This guy sucks can't separate and never makes plays. Other than the 85 catches on 87 targets 🤔 🤷♂️ 🤣
He caught 50 of those targets, not 85. That's only 57% of his targets....good drop % though
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1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:
Justin Shorter was a top WR recruit coming from H.S. and he was picked late in the 5th round. I don’t like Franklin’s route running, contested catches ability or ability to play strong on the boundary. FWIW, Greg Cosell didn’t exactly articulate a ringing endorsement today on Buffalobills.com
Your Shorter comparison is beyond ridiculous. Shorter never gained more than 580 yds in a season or scored more than 3 tds.
Franklin was one of the most dominant wrs in the country, gaining almost 1400 yds with 14 tds.
His yprr metrics are elite across the board, vs press, single, double, zone
You don't like his route running?
He is clever and deceptive and runs a full tree attacking all 3 levels. He's one of the better route runners in the class.
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Troy Franklin was a top 3 wr recruit coming out of high school, rated higher than every single wr in this draft. Joe Brady was a big fan and tried hard to get him to LSU.
Franklin's college career reaffirmed that he was one of the very best. If he had been healthy at the combine he would be off the board already imo. I consider him a top 4 wr in this draft and would rather have him than Thomas, Worthy, Mitchell, Legette, etc.
I hope he's the target
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Franklin was a top 3 wr recruit coming out of high school, rated higher than every single wr in this draft. Joe Brady was a big fan and tried hard to get him to LSU.
Franklin's college career reaffirmed that he was one of the very best. If he had been healthy at the combine he would be off the board already imo. I consider him a top 4 wr in this draft and would rather have him than Thomas, Worthy, Mitchell, Legette, etc.
I hope he is the target
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Bills sign Chase Claypool, Smoot, Jones
in The Stadium Wall
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Scary bunch...
Secondaries are trembling with fear