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    Kaepernick Black-balled?

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    11 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

    Am I stuttering again?

     

    Let's take a look at your resume again.  Were you drafted in the 2nd round or higher?  Ooops, I thought so:

     

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    And don't piss me off.  I am out of Scotch® tape!

     

     

    Again, I've been black balled. I wasn't drafted because the NFL has me black listed.

    Mayfield and Mahomes

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    3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    Sometimes thought that is only turning a 4 yard pass into a 26 yard play if the pass is thrown with perfect precision to a guy who can catch it in stride. A pass which is still catchable but requires the receiver to just slow his route slightly means that 4 yard pass turns into a 6 yard play. So that precision has real genuine value. I guess I just don't agree that the right judgment of a Quarterback is how deep he throws it. Tom Brady, the majority of his career has been a precise short and intermediate thrower. And he has been elite doing that. If you just gave credit for air yards you would find some very questionable people above him in your pecking order. Being a top end QB is about a lot more than the deep ball. 

    I don't think so because you still have YAC counted on the skill players for that team and you could still tally that as YAC for the QB as well. Not to mention you're still looking at completion %. 

     

    Look at some of the arguments over the years against Bills QB's and some comments on this board about Allen, people asking when will we see a 300 yard game from Allen. That right there is part of the issue, it's not about yardage. 

    3 hours ago, Sundancer said:

     

    Look, I love Josh because he's ours but let's not pretend he doesn't make too many bad throws at this stage of his development. He does. He's getting better at not playing hero ball and throwing the ball away (TN game was his best yet for this) but he's got a ways to go to show he will make consistent good decisions. 

     

    Mahomes has 1 INT so far this season to 14 TDs. He has no O-line and no RB.

     

    He's elite. 

     

    Long term, I would love for Josh to exceed Mahomes but right now, Josh's best game as a pro is Mahomes's 2019 average. 

    I'm not saying Allen is perfect, I'm simply saying I don't like Mahomes and if you actually watch his games not just the clips of scores, you'll see he just heaves a ball down field knowing someone will make a play. I don't like him as a QB and I'm glad the Bills didn't pick him.

    Mayfield and Mahomes

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    5 hours ago, Sundancer said:

     

    Every GM would take Mahomes over Allen right now and probably over every QB. Every one. 

     

    And I love Allen. But this is stupid. Mahomes is averaging Allen's best game. 

    You can have him, I can't stand the love for Mahomes and I'm not impressed with a guy that consistently throws off his back foot and just chucks a ball in the air and has great play makers adjusting to the ball and making circus catches. I'll take the slow and steady growth of a QB that has sustainability in the league. 

    Mayfield and Mahomes

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    8 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

     

    Smith is only one example. On the other end of the spectrum you have a guy like Brady who makes tons of short throws but can also make the intermediate and deeper throws when called for? Good QB's like Brees and Brady use the entire field and that includes short, high percentage throws where their backs and receivers can get yac. They are able to do this because they have proven overtime that defenses must cover the entire field when playing against them, opening things up underneath.

    This is only supporting what I'm saying. I'm fine with QBs hitting the short stuff, but if that's all they are doing then they aren't hitting the intermediate and deeper throws. Actually keeping track of how far they are throwing the ball instead of adding in the YAC would help give a better view of the QBs progress and ability. 

     

    If you have a guy who throws 30 passes in a game and ends up with 350 yards and say 78% completion percentage and 3TDs - you'd say that's a great QB, 

    then looking into that you see he actually only threw the ball over 5 yards 5 of those 30 throws and hit on say 1 one of them, really how good is that QB? 

     

    Now if you had the actual numbers and the removed the YAC perhaps that QB only threw for say 110 yards and 0TDs and a 78% - Not that impressive now is it? 

     

    I know this maybe an extreme case but guys like Smith and Dilfer had great careers and many fans in Buffalo would have been delighted to have a guy like Smith as the Bills QB and yet a guy like Taylor was in Buffalo and would only take the short stuff and we can all agree they needed to upgrade. 

     

    I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this. 

    8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    The problem with that is the GOAT also has never been a big chuck it down the field guy. Brady has made a living out of being so precise with his ball placement that a yard throw is a 26 yard gain. Unless you don't think Brady is elite? I agree with you there are conservative guys like Smith and Ryan Tannehill whose numbers are totally flattered by YAC but it isn't true of everyone. 

    Brady has proven he can get the chunks - see the Moss years. 

    I'm not saying a QB that dinks and dunks can't be great, what I'm saying is show us the actual numbers and not a skewed number that includes a players ability to run after the catch. This would also help evaluate the skill players as well, you can see a QB is actually delivering a ball 4 yards to a skill player who has the ability to break tackles and turn that 4 yard catch into a 26 yard gain on a consistent basis. Now the question becomes is who is more valuable? 

    Mayfield and Mahomes

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    28 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

    I disagree because it eliminates what makes some QB's so good in their ability to scan the entire defense both pre and post snap.. Sometimes, and maybe even more often than not the correct play is to make the short pass knowing: 

     

    1. More likely to complete

    2. Receiver has room to run

     

     

     

    I disagree, over time if you have a QB that consistently throws a 1 yard pass that a skill player breaks for 10+ and ends up with a high completion percentage that doesn’t really translate to an elite QB (see Alex Smith). I think it would be a better judge of accuracy 

    Mayfield and Mahomes

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    9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

    Minnesota is by far the best. Good call. I’m sorry I’m not that excited about 14 points last week.  But Philly will be a great test. 

     

    Jackson’s passing numbers are skewed last year because he played in every game but wasn’t the full time starter. Allen probably still averaged more but there was so narrative that he was a far superior passer. I always argued that they were a lot closer than our fans wanted to admit.  And Jackson has taken his game to a level that I wasn’t sure he’d get too.  He is definitely in the MVP conversation. 

    Game winning drives is starting to become an awful stat or needs to be adjusted.  Like if you suck all game but have a great defense and score a late td isn’t that impressive.  Also if you are on a good team and are a good qb, you stomp a team out early so you don’t have to comeback.  For example, Brady has 9 game winning drives in the last 6 years and zero this year. 

    Stats in general are horrible. I think a QB should only get credit for yards the ball travels in the air and then the receiver should get YAC credit after that. It really would change how people view QBs. 

    Mayfield and Mahomes

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    On 10/13/2019 at 5:34 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

     

    Good call.  Mahomes 54% completion today, 56% and 57% prev. 2 games.

     

    1st 3 games 76, 68, 72%.  

     

    10 TD 0 INT first 3 games, 4 TD 1 INT last 3 games including today.

    And who did they play in all those games? 
     

    1. Jags (40-26 win)

    2. Raider (28-10 win)

    3. Ravens (33-28 win)

    4. Lions (34-30 win)

    5. Colts (13-19 loss)

    6. Texans (24-31 loss)

     

    Out of those 6 games you’re looking at 3 playoff caliber teams and KC is 1-2 vs those teams. You can also see the quality of defenses they have faced has gotten better as Mahomes numbers have gotten worse. 

    Mayfield and Mahomes

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    On 10/13/2019 at 5:24 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

     

    Don’t forget the fumble lost.  3 TD 2 TO.

     

    Did you watch the game?  Perhaps I haven’t watched him enough but I was frankly startled.  He threw a number of incompletions that could have been picked, and perhaps should have been, and that would have been called out as inaccurate throws and poor decisions if he were Allen.  

     

     

    This is accurate. I watched this game at the sport book in Vegas and Mahomes did not look good at all. He had an early 56 yard play that should have come back as it was a pick play. He consistently throws off his back foot and his skill players make plays on a poorly thrown ball. It’s annoying because Mahomes fan boys will tell you foot work doesn’t matter, but if Allen were to throw off his back foot they’d scream and cry about it. 
     

    Mahomes is a good QB but that’s where it ends. People need to start watching his games and not the highlights of the great plays his skill players make. He consistently under throws his WR and they make adjustments and make the play. 
     

    Last year KC was the 2nd best team in their division and this year they are the best of a mediocre division. 
     

    If the Bills start running the ball more and take that pressure off Allen they will be a dominant team in the AFC. 
     

    what’s worse is this is a Bills message board and yet there’s so much damn talk about the freaking Chefs, makes me sick.

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    Reasons to not feel so bad about Patrick Mahomes

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    19 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

    Yikes. It’s hard to find a worse comparison. Rivers has one of the worst throwing motions, Mahomes is silky smooth with the ball. 

     

     

    Yea, throwing off your back foot is silky smooth. Rivers has done more with less than any QB over the past 10 years while Mahomes is chucking off his back foot to some of the best skill players in the NFL all while loosing back to back home games. 

    Reasons to not feel so bad about Patrick Mahomes

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    1 hour ago, BigDingus said:

    Until Allen has even 1 game where he looks in the same ball park as Patrick Mahomes, I'll always feel bad.

    Same goes for DeShaun Watson, but that doesn't hurt QUITE as bad, because we only passed on him instead of straight up giving the Chiefs a once in a lifetime QB (when we were desperate for a QB the entire time).

     

    It's not just the insane stats, the records being broken left & right, the amazing awareness, the great arm that can throw effortless deep spirals (on point and at any place on the field), the decision making, the lack of turnovers, etc. it's the feel when watching the games that you can tell one guy just KNOWS what he's doing in almost every situation, while the other guy you're crossing your fingers every time you see he's sensing pressure... There's a chance he could escape it, but there's an even more likely chance he'll run around trying to extend the play, hold onto the ball too long, not throw it away, take a bad sack, run into a defender he didn't see (resulting in a fumble), or just lob it up & turn it over.

     

    And when he does throw deep, the ball is often an ugly wobbler that almost always misses the mark, whether it's way past the intended target, or so underthrown it makes you question all the talk about his strong arm.

    Really? 
     

    mahomes was 19/35 for 273 3 TD and 1 isn’t.

    keep in mind 50 of those yards came off a pick play that should have been called back and another deep ball to Hill that was horribly under thrown and should have been picked but Hill made an incredible play on the ball. 
     

    I see no reason to be upset. 

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    Reasons to not feel so bad about Patrick Mahomes

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    I don’t get why this keeps coming up. Mahomes is throwing to the fastest WR in the game and the best TE in the game, both have excellent ball tracking skills. In today’s loss Mahomes under three Hill yet again and Hill makes a great play to catch and score. On top of that KC has lost 2 home games back to back and Mahomes hasn’t looked all that great. The book on how to handle KC is now available, it’s time for Bills fans to put this to bed. 

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    PFT Superlatives: More Talk that Bills are 3rd Best Team in AFC (maybe)

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    Schedule means nothing, KC each year has an easy schedule yet gets all the accolades of being great. 
     

    NE hasn’t played anyone other than Buffalo and they won that due to a cheap shot. Look at the stats, the Bills beat the crap out of NE. All things considered, Buffalo has the best D and yes they are better than NE. 
     

    let’s see what happens when the Bills play Miami. 

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    I know it and you know it, Josh Allen was about to take the game over.

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    47 minutes ago, dlonce said:

    That guy is why we lost today. Until McD learns we will always lose to them.

    No he is not. 
    The Bills lost the game because they had 22 rushing plays and 44 passing plays, while Gore averaged just over 6 yards per carry. 
     

    First half, had they ran the ball instead of the pass that resulted in a sack and loss of 7 yards, that’s a successful field goal instead of a miss. 
     

    Kicking the field goal in the 4th instead of going for it on 4th turns the game into a tie and NE offense was held in check, Bills rushing attack could have broken that team. 
     

    It’s simple, control the clock, play mistake free and the Bills would have won...heck even with the mistakes they could have won with better play calling. 

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