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JohnBonhamRocks

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    Mock draft would be awesome,
    19. David Njoku TE Miami (TRADE WITH TAMPA)
    44. Cam Robinson OT Alabama
    50. JuJu Smith-Schuster WR USC (TRADE WITH TAMPA)
    75. Rasul Douglas CB West Virginia
    156. Nathan Peterman QB Pittsburgh
    171. Fred Ross WR Miss St
    195. Brendan Langley CB Lamar

     

     

    Robinson could end up being great value at 44. Similar to Glenn value-wise.

     

    Would love, if no trade, for Smith-Schuster to fall to 75. It happens a lot in my mocks, but I am trying to prevent false hope for myself. Ideal complement to Watkins based on style of game. Hope he's still targeted regardless of Holmes.

     

    The actual reason I wanted to respond though is that Langley has long been my target at 171 or 195. Love the value there, too, and he usually falls in my mocks. Would take him then even if we took one at 10, 44, or 75... or whatever our high picks end up being.

  2. He also got a starting slot corner at the end

     

     

    Took him more for returns than anything, if we're being honest.

     

    Yeah, if we have Tankersly, then our CB1&2 are Darby and Tankersly, with Seymour as the starting slot guy. I'd bet on Seymour in a Seymour v. Myrick battle. But then I was also looking forward to another season with NRC, so what do I know...

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    I'm still working on getting fanspeak's AI to make the Houston trade. They'll do it with their 2nd instead of next year's first, but not the trade I'm really looking to simulate. I'll keep trying and see if I can get it. In the meantime, here's what I got when I made the trade with their 2nd instead (Composite Big Board):

     

    25: R1P25
    QB PATRICK MAHOMES II
    TEXAS TECH
    44: R2P12
    S BUDDA BAKER
    WASHINGTON
    57: R2P25
    CB CORDREA TANKERSLEY
    CLEMSON
    75: R3P11
    WR ZAY JONES
    EAST CAROLINA
    89: R3P25
    TE JORDAN LEGGETT
    CLEMSON
    130: R4P23
    G NICO SIRAGUSA
    SAN DIEGO STATE
    171: R5P27
    WR RYAN SWITZER
    NORTH CAROLINA
    195: R6P11
    CB JALEN MYRICK
    MINNESOTA

     

     

    If we came out of the draft with Mahomes, Baker, Tankersly, and Jones... wow. Just wow. Can't imagine much better of a haul.

  4. I'm not really arguing against the success of Elliott or Bosa. Expected = college production, draft status, and DAL's amazing Oline. But Portis definitely had about the same year and was drafted much later in his draft. Bosa had a great year on a bad team.

     

    I choose to weigh QB more importantly in the NFL, but that's me. A lot of people would take the rookie Sanchez/Wilson/Mettenberger with their class over Jones and his class because QB wins in the NFL. I never said I expected Jones to be able to start in his rookie year, but a 4th rounder whose front office was clearly hesitant to even let him see the field has to raise question marks when grading the rookie year of a draft.

     

    Again, I'm not saying I even believe it (and I thought the original argument was based on careers, which was why I disagreed), but playing devil's advocate is fun. I do think that OSU'16 is in no way definitively better than MIA'02 or LSU'14.

  5. OK, gotta say that I thought we were arguing best careers of a class (based on "I don't think you can judge much yet." re: Lee), not rookie seasons, but no worries.



    Again, I don't necessarily agree with this, but I'll try:



    Jones, playing the most important position, hurts their class because his team didn't even think he was ready to play in the final weeks, and he was a 4th round pick! There's a definite argument that Sanchez (who was drafted with Matthews, Cushing, and Maualuga...) going to the AFC Championship game makes this not close at all. Similarly, that Wisconsin class is good given Wilson's playoff success in his first year. Still, gotta say the 2002 'Canes are arguably up there with last year's Buckeyes. So is 2014's LSU class, which boasted Mettenberger, who had a clearly better rookie year than Jones. On QB alone, other classes would have to be considered better. Ask half this board how they feel about the importance of the QB position.



    Elliot's season was great, but expected given his draft status. Portis had just as good a year and was drafted 51 overall. Jeremy Hill and Alfred Blue both had great production out of LSU and were drafted much lower than Elliot.



    Thomas' season was great. Shockey's was just as good. Beckham and Landry were both about as good, too.



    Decker's season was great. McKinnie started half the year. Trai Turner was a rookie Pro Bowler.



    Bosa didn't play half the year, which hurts him. You want the 3rd overall pick there for the full offseason and season (the best ability is availability). Ego Feruson played all 16 games for the Bears. Lamin Barrow of LSU helped the Broncos make it to the Super Bowl and played in all 16 games doing so.



    Apple didn't start most of the year, which hurts him. Ed Reed? Pro Bowl rookie year. Phillip Buchannon had significant playing time and returned an 81 yard touchdown. Mike Rumph played in all 16 games and had 49 tackles.



    That ABC article stands for my argument, which is that it's not clear-cut which is the best: "At the very least, it's safe to say that the Ohio State Buckeyes just sent one of the best draft classes the league has ever seen into the NFL."



    So, while I don't think any class is definitively the best, Sanchez and Wilson's rookie years blow Jones' out of the water, while the 2002 Miami and 2014 LSU classes are both ridiculously stacked, just like last season's Ohio State class. Given that Mettenberger resembled an NFL QB for that 2014 LSU class, I'd be tempted to give it to them.



    This is fun.

  6. fun one. both top safeties and wrs as well as lattimore were gone

     

    10: R1P10
    TE O.J. HOWARD
    ALABAMA
    44: R2P12
    TE EVAN ENGRAM ( drafted as wr. )
    OLE MISS
    75: R3P11
    TE BUCKY HODGES
    VIRGINIA TECH
    156: R5P12
    S JOHN JOHNSON
    BOSTON COLLEGE
    171: R5P27
    G JERMAINE ELUEMUNOR ( rt maybe )
    TEXAS A&M
    195: R6P11
    QB JEROD EVANS
    VIRGINIA TECH

    now trot out 13 personell ^^

     

    Not a huge fan of the draft overall, but love drafting Engram as a WR.

  7. you are kidding, right? Might want to find something else to play devils advocate against :lol:

    https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/ohio-states-best-rookie-class/story%3Fid%3D45009435

     

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000756305/article/top-five-2016-rookie-classes-by-school-ohio-state-no-1%3FnetworkId%3D4595%26site%3D.news%26zone%3Dstory%26zoneUrl%3Durl%253Dstory%26zoneKeys%3Ds1%253Dstory%26env%3D%26pageKeyValues%3Dprtnr%253Dcollege-football%253Bplyr%253Dmichael_thomas%253Bplyr%253Djoseph_bosa%253Bplyr%253Deli_apple%26p.ct%3DCFB%2B24%252F7%26p.adsm%3Dfalse%26p.tcm%3D%2523ffffff%26p.bgc1m%3D%2523000000%26sr%3Damp

     

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2017/02/80075/six-members-of-ohio-states-2016-draft-class-make-nflcom-all-rookie-team%3Famp

     

    I've seen you bring up Darron Lee before - he didn't even turn 21 until like week 5 of his rookie season and had played LB for all of two years of his life prior to entering the league. He was clearly drafted on potential. I don't think you can judge much yet. Cardale was osu's backup QB and was not even expected to play for years in the NFL, also drafted on potential. Did you really mean to use those two examples to show the class wasn't great?

     

    Not kidding, just playing devil's advocate like I said. Never said the class isn't great. Clearly, it is.

     

    If you want to join the argument, then you'd have to be arguing for KJ's statement: "They just produced the greatest rookie class a school has ever produced." Which it might even be! Just not clearly so at this point.

     

    Yes, Lee is still young, but he had the year he had for how high he was drafted. Jones barely saw the field. Everyone is drafted on potential. Everyone is judged on production, or lack thereof. These 2 haven't done much. Washington as a 3rd round pick really didn't do that much either. Bell? Eh. Miller? Ok. I dunno much about Vannett and Perry to say either way.

     

    Elliot, Thomas, Decker, Bosa, and Apple all had decent to stellar seasons. No denying that. Just saying pump the breaks on "best ever."

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