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    Tyrod Taylor's '16 season with context

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by cover1

    Re Sacks, if Tyrod is running either designed or doesn't see what he likes, and he's caught behind the line, is that a Sack?

     

    One thing I noticed last year that doesn't get much discussion... Tyrod is pretty good at trying to minimize losses behind the line, he often escapes an initial sack attempt, and either runs for a gain, throws it away, or get's closer to the line. Possibly reflected in yards per sack? Still, he does take too many sacks because he doesn't like to throw the ball away, and he doesn't like to throw to covered receivers that aren't named Sammy Watkins. 

    Name			Tm	Sk	Yds	Yd/sk
Ryan Fitzpatrick	NYJ	19	81	4.26
Tyrod Taylor		BUF	42	192	4.57
Derek Carr*		OAK	16	79	4.94
Alex Smith*		KAN	28	140	5.00
Philip Rivers*		SDG	36	188	5.22
Dak Prescott*		DAL	25	143	5.72
Colin Kaepernick	SFO	36	207	5.75
Blake Bortles		JAX	34	197	5.79
Tom Brady*		NWE	15	87	5.80
Matthew Stafford	DET	37	216	5.84
Trevor Siemian		DEN	31	187	6.03
Case Keenum		LAR	23	140	6.09
Matt Ryan*+		ATL	37	235	6.35
Andy Dalton*		CIN	41	264	6.44
Carson Wentz		PHI	33	213	6.45
Andrew Luck		IND	41	268	6.54
Eli Manning		NYG	21	142	6.76
Marcus Mariota		TEN	23	156	6.78
Drew Brees*		NOR	27	184	6.81
Jameis Winston		TAM	35	239	6.83
Carson Palmer		ARI	40	281	7.03
Aaron Rodgers*		GNB	35	246	7.03
Russell Wilson		SEA	41	293	7.15
Joe Flacco		BAL	33	243	7.36
Ryan Tannehill		MIA	29	216	7.45
Sam Bradford		MIN	37	276	7.46
Brock Osweiler		HOU	27	206	7.63
Cam Newton		CAR	36	277	7.69
Kirk Cousins*		WAS	23	190	8.26
Ben Roethlisberger*	PIT	17	141	8.29

    The other thing that people do talk about, but kinda gloss over, imo, is productivity in running. Sure it's not the same as being a prolific passer, but if you're getting yards and first downs, then that's better than not. Tyrod led the league in running attempts, yards, TDs, and in yards per attempt as a runner. Our offense was designed with Tyrod to have the flexibility to run a lot... I wonder if coaches tell him that it's fine to hold on to the ball for an opportunity to run, vs just throwing it away. 

    Name			Tm	Pos	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G
Colin Kaepernick	SFO	QB	69	468	2	30	6.8	39.0	5.8
Tyrod Taylor		BUF	QB	95	580	6	49	6.1	38.7	6.3
Cam Newton		CAR	QB	90	359	5	28	4.0	23.9	6.0
Marcus Mariota		TEN	QB	60	349	2	41	5.8	23.3	4.0
Aaron Rodgers*		GNB	QB	67	369	4	23	5.5	23.1	4.2
Andrew Luck		IND	QB	64	341	2	33	5.3	22.7	4.3
Blake Bortles		JAX	QB	58	359	3	27	6.2	22.4	3.6
Dak Prescott*		DAL	QB	57	282	6	18	4.9	17.6	3.6
Russell Wilson		SEA	QB	72	259	1	18	3.6	16.2	4.5
Matthew Stafford	DET	QB	37	207	2	24	5.6	12.9	2.3
Ryan Tannehill		MIA	QB	39	164	1	18	4.2	12.6	3.0
Andy Dalton*		CIN	QB	46	184	4	15	4.0	11.5	2.9
Jameis Winston		TAM	QB	53	165	1	14	3.1	10.3	3.3
Carson Wentz		PHI	QB	46	150	2	17	3.3	9.4	2.9
Ryan Fitzpatrick	NYJ	QB	33	130	0	14	3.9	9.3	2.4
Alex Smith*		KAN	QB	48	134	5	24	2.8	8.9	3.2
Brock Osweiler		HOU	QB	30	131	2	21	4.4	8.7	2.0
Matt Ryan*+		ATL	QB	35	117	0	18	3.3	7.3	2.2
Kirk Cousins*		WAS	QB	34	96	4	19	2.8	6.0	2.1
Tom Brady*		NWE	QB	28	64	0	15	2.3	5.3	2.3
Case Keenum		LAR	QB	20	51	1	13	2.6	5.1	2.0
Derek Carr*		OAK	QB	39	70	0	13	1.8	4.7	2.6
Trevor Siemian		DEN	QB	28	57	0	14	2.0	4.1	2.0
Joe Flacco		BAL	QB	21	58	2	16	2.8	3.6	1.3
Sam Bradford		MIN	QB	20	53	0	24	2.7	3.5	1.3
Carson Palmer		ARI	QB	14	38	0	16	2.7	2.5	0.9
Philip Rivers*		SDG	QB	14	35	0	10	2.5	2.2	0.9
Cody Kessler		CLE	QB	11	18	0	8	1.6	2.0	1.2
Drew Brees*		NOR	QB	23	20	2	7	0.9	1.3	1.4
Ben Roethlisberger*	PIT	QB	16	14	1	14	0.9	1.0	1.1
Eli Manning		NYG	QB	21	-9	0	6	-0.4	-0.6	1.3

    I haven't watched game tape or anything, but I think the above two metrics tell a better story of Tyrod than just simply 'he gets sacked a lot'.

     

     

     

    I believe designed runs don't count as sacks, for what it's worth.

    They do tho, which is dumb lol for example in the SF game, we were charged three sacks. 2 by armstead and 1 by Buckner. Including this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeFKAFMcHyw

     

     

    Definition of a sack

    In order for a play to be considered a sack, it must be obvious that the quarterback either intends to throw a forward pass, or is still in the pocket without a clear, discernable objective for the play. If the play was a designed rush for the quarterback, a tackle of the quarterback behind the line of scrimmage does not count as a sack, but rather as negative rushing yards by the quarterback.

    If a defensive player makes physical contact with a quarterback who is then ruled down by contact that is also counted as a sack. The quarterback must pass the statistical line of scrimmage to avoid a sack. A sack is also credited when a defender causes the quarterback to fumble the ball and the defending team recovers the ball behind the original line of scrimmage.

    Quarterbacks often opt to throw the ball away to avoid getting sacked. This way, the result of the play would just be a loss of down, rather than a loss of yards and a loss of down. However, when the ball is thrown up-field in order to avoid a sack, there must be a reasonable chance of completion.

    Otherwise, the quarterback will be called for intentional grounding. Intentional grounding is a violation of the rules in which a pass throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion. This most often occurs when a quarterback is trying to avoid a sack.

    Tyrod Taylor's '16 season with context

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    i appreciate you coming back and adding more to it --- we have had plenty of folks that get their clicks and then ditch the thread. its definitely great that you enjoy participating in the discussions!

    No problem at all, I am going to have Rylan come discuss as he did all of the legwork on this one.

    The point NoSaint is making is that Mills was out there for both. It makes the reason he solely was difference between sacks allowed under center and sacks allowed out of the shotgun unlikely.

     

    But to your point NoSaint, could it be as simple as the gun, while worse for TT's passing ability, better for his elusiveness? Has to be easier to avoid the rush when they take wider angles, less up front pressure, etc.

    Furthermore, I think we need a contrast between 2016 and 2015. He was a much better producer in '15 and for all we know, he murdered it in the gun versus under center that entire year. Context and all that.

    Great points here, it does play into the elusiveness factor if no one is open which is built into Romans offense. But gun was also supposed to help him with his field vision. But it is our opinion they needed to do more deeper drops (which they did the last three games) to help him see over the line even more. Something that the hawks and Saints do for their QBs.

    Tyrod Taylor's '16 season with context

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by cover1

    Wow tons of questions...I dont know where to begin. One that caught my eye is the question about 8 sacks from the limited number of snaps from under center. That is a great point and something I will see if we can go back and analyze. For the record, 15 of TTs QB sacks were credited to him per PFF.

    I found a few..Ill add more as we find them.

     

    1-https://twitter.com/Cover1Bills/status/810152629456211968

     

    2-https://twitter.com/Cover1Bills/status/808793023719047168

     

    3-https://twitter.com/Cover1Bills/status/804138266941386752

     

    4. This counts as a sack believe it or not-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeFKAFMcHyw

     

    5. https://gfycat.com/AgonizingLividIrishterrier

     

     

    I also think the amount of time we spent in the gun does the O a disadvantage, almost anytime we were under center if almost guaranteed run. The Bills had 332 plays from under center, that means 246 plays were run plays (332-46passes). If that is not cluing the D, I dont know what is.

     

    I don't want people to think like we are saying the coaches don't know what they are doing, I KNOW they know much more than us. The point of this examination was to show what was asked of TT within the scope of the offense. I have personally studied the offense heavily the last two years. If you have been following me you know that I loved Roman and his run offense but have always felt the passing game was vanilla. Some may say its bc of TT, but I come to that conclusion on Roman since entering the league. His passing offenses have not been complex, have not been conducive to developing a QB. They have been very good with athletic QBs who stand back there and if nothing opens up then they take off. They have had WRs that can separate typically based on athletic talent alone, ie speed, or physicality at the top of the route. It has not been a scheme that has designed plays specifically to get guys open. It asked its QBs to find the best matchup, or if you see single high throw it deep or to the deep comeback bc they have 1 on 1 outside. Single high zone coverages jam up the middle of the field and underneath, so I can see why he decided to look elsewhere. Check out the numbers to the middle of the field tho.

    TT's % of passes to middle of the field (does not include behind the line of scrimmage passes)

    '16 Att 34% Comp 28% Yards 33% TDs 10% INTs 0%

    '15 Att 33% Comp 37% Yds 31% TDs 33% INTs 67%

    TT's completion % Middle of the field

    '16 70.5%, '15 71.4%

     

    In my opinion, based on my experience as a coach, player and from watching the prior two seasons TT looks better from under center. One of his biggest issues, or perceived issues-accuracy, gets cleaned up when asked to focus on a drop. This would also help his play action bc the second level LBs will flow downhill, instead of horizontally, which can open up passes to the intermediate area.

    Tyrod Taylor's '16 season with context

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    A lot of times we as fans criticize players on their play or style of play but fail to recognize the context of their play within the scope of the offense. I am currently going through scouting school at the Scouting Academy and the first thing they teach is context. So we wanted to analyze TT's play within the context of the offense-what it asked of him. Then to figure out where and how he could have been better or better utilized. Rylan charted the entire 2016 season and this is what he found. After reading this, I am sure you can see why he was brought back to be paired with Rick Dennison.

     

     

    http://www.cover1.net/2017/03/tyrod-taylors-2016-passing-campaign-misinterpreted-misused/

    Welcome Micah Hyde

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    I scoured through several games from 2015 and 2016 to see what kind of player Micah Hyde is. We got a hell of a player on our hands. Take his athletic ability, instincts, play speed, tackling and much more with the Bills new defense and the sky is the limit. He can match up with TEs, Big WRs and RBs..great chess piece..

     

     

    Full breakdown with a ton of film: http://www.cover1.net/2017/03/free-agent-signing-scb-micah-hyde/

     

     

     

    Enjoy

    Reason NRC was released

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    I do remember him getting ran over in that position a couple of times, unable to make a tackle.

     

    Easy guy to cheer for, thanks for the time as a bill

    He had tremendous competitive toughness, such a feisty player. But with all of the cuts we freed up 5 mill.

    Very much agree....

    Thanks!

    Reason NRC was released

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    No reason he should not have been kept for depth at the very least. You telling me we are going to lose Gilmore and Robey-Coleman and we are going to have 5 or 6 CBs on our roster next year better than him? I don't think so.

    This draft is deep, and lets face it DBs aren't valued as high in this cover 3 system. You can find production in many places with players that fit the scheme better.

    Reason NRC was released

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    At first I was surprised that he was cut considering that his contract was not a big hit and he made some plays for the Bills. But considering the scheme change and his 31 missed tackles in 4 seasons (23 of which were in '13 and '14), I get why they let him go. A deep draft at CB plus NRC not being a fit due to size and length I can now see why they let him go. Nickel CBs are utilized a lot to cover run gap responsibilities. Check out this play here:

     

    Alterraun Verner would be a good signing

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    Good question,

     

    But back to my mantra ala Darby ala Bills. Coaches need to make it work with the players. I think Darby can learn cover 3. and he might excel at it. I think Robey will come back to form .

     

    McDermott can mold the scheme to the players he has. Played a lot of zone with Ron Rivera in Carolina but remember back in Philly they were strictly man and a lot of pattern matching. Darby and Seymour are better man corners IMO.

    I learn a bit more each day reading your breakdowns honestly. Some good and smart folks do that here too but subscribed to your site has been a pleasure Erik.

    And Any other corner in FA you like?

     

    Havent gotten a chance to really browse the list. I have been super busy doing the Scouting Academy.

    Alterraun Verner would be a good signing

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

     

    NFL took video down

    Open the video in youtube, you will be all set!

    Did a little more digging on him. Looks like he could be a good starter on a team with a lot of cover 2/3/4. If he has help over the top his lack of top end speed will be mitigated and if he drops into a deep zone he will and be able to ball hawk (which he is good at). He would make a lot of sense in McD's scheme.

    Exactly, he needs to be in off coverage, bail technique.

    A closer look into Tyrod Taylor's 2016 season

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

     

     

    Thanks for this thread.

     

    I've generally brought up some of these more nuanced points in Tyrod discussions but it really takes the kind of detailed work that you do to both simplify and explain some of them.

     

    The defensive adjustments to Tyrod were fairly obvious this year.......and I was critical of he and the Bills early in the season because they should have known this was coming and because job #1 this season was to find out if Tyrod was the franchise QB and they had kinda' left Taylor exposed.

     

    But in the end he was productive and the offense was VERY productive despite a lot of factors working against him and when you are just a second year starter and you can produce thru defensive adjustments and MAJOR issues in the WR corps.......the arrow is pointing up.

     

    I agree completely that he should be a better passer playing from under center.......that's what he did for the 8 previous years before he came to Buffalo.......that should be a return to a comfort zone.

    Thanks! I think he can be better. We are finishing up some stats regarding him under center this season. Should have it posted soon!

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