wakingfane
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Hallelujah!!You said they died for the flag. They did not. They died for the Constitution, which specifies a system of government that by specific design allows the people to assemble, petition for grievances, and protest that government. That includes not just kneeling for the National Anthem, but burning the American flag (side note: I can't wait for an NFL player to try that on the field during the anthem.)
And yes, I understand what the flag "means." Nobody raised a copy of the Constitution on Iwo Jima. But I think the real question here is: why are you disrespecting your buddies' memories by arguing against the exercise of the rights that they took an oath to preserve, and died for?
A few thoughts:
1. I don't agree with Kaepernick's thesis but fully support his right to express his opinion and his right to protest, as I respect the right for anyone to protest whether it be fellow NFL players or Jim Kelly or Shady or skin head Neo-Nazis. I don't have to agree with your view or how you do it (I don't like what Shady did) but I'd hate even more being in a society where you can't protest at all.
2. The flag to me represents not just the military but our country and its values. And the key value is the freedom and rights we have guaranteed under the Constitution. If the flag stands for anything it stands for those rights. I have read enough pro and con comments from ex-military to know there is no universal belief by the military. So I think the idea that the military is being specifically disrespected is not well informed, as has been pointed out by the players taking the action.
3. I will always stand, take my hat off, and put my hand in my chest when the anthem is played. But I'm hypocritical because I don't do that in private. And if I see a veteran I will always thank him for serving. Because his or her service lets me enjoy the freedoms I and others have. Including the freedom to stand for the anthem or not.
4. I respect having the courage to take a stand at personal cost. I think Kaepernick is way off base but he has the courage of his convictions. I applaud the courage of Villenueva not only for his service but for being the only Steeler to step out for the anthem yesterday.
5. Our rights do not come with a dollar sign; they are guaranteed by the constitution. Football players have as much right to protest as did Rosa Parks. So spare me the stuff about why millionaire football players should just shut up and play.
6. Owners need to decide what they want their employees to do. The vast majority apparently think the players should express their views through this form of peaceful protest. I'd rather the owners restrict these protests by keeping teams in the locker room during the anthem, and by making sure some of their profits are used to help their regions deal with issues being debated (and some profits are). And if owners decide they want their players to stand during the anthem since that would be a job related function, then players should comply or look for other employment. Such are the perks of ownership
6. The president? He simply does not understand our constitution and what freedoms are within, nor does he understand the role of the president. I want to see some of his proposals on infrastructure, tax policy and trade enacted. But I don't need a guy who has mistreated women, veterans, minorities, gay and lesbian individuals, and anyone he happens not to like in the moment lecturing me or anyone on values. He forfeited any credibility on values or morality years ago.
Absolutely! I suppose I could have foregone my rant and just quoted oldman
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I support the players' choice to respectfully use the national anthem as their moment to make a statement. I agree with JK that Shady was disrespectful to the flag. I DO NOT see the players kneeling and allowing somber consideration to a National issue as disrespectful. Actions we agree AND disagree with are conducted under our flag and under the protection and empowerment provided by the government that flag represents. Yes it represents the people but it more closely represents the government: 50 States United in a Federal system. So yeah, using the flag for justice and freedom as well as consolidated power and authority is what happens every day all across this Country. Most of the players are making a serious effort to be part of that. Shady's choice was DUMB AT BEST
No responses?? Isn't this the reasonable viewpoint for anyone who wants to take this stuff seriously? No one American or group of Americans OWNS the flag or free speech. Or are the only hot takes the EXTREMES of one side or the other... I can understand the people who say it's all a joke, so I don't care what Shady wants to do. But if you take the issues seriously, how can you not accept both sides and move on? Or... Are we so entertained by arguing over it that we keep beating each other over the head with rhetorical bats until we are senseless exhausted, even though we might actually be ready to live and let live. None of that, Not on Twitter. It makes me nauseous. Sports please.
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I support the players' choice to respectfully use the national anthem as their moment to make a statement. I agree with JK that Shady was disrespectful to the flag. I DO NOT see the players kneeling and allowing somber consideration to a National issue as disrespectful. Actions we agree AND disagree with are conducted under our flag and under the protection and empowerment provided by the government that flag represents. Yes it represents the people but it more closely represents the government: 50 States United in a Federal system. So yeah, using the flag for justice and freedom as well as consolidated power and authority is what happens every day all across this Country. Most of the players are making a serious effort to be part of that. Shady's choice was DUMB AT BEST
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We can ignore Code of Conduct violations when they are this entertaining, right?Just because she gets paid for it doesn't mean it isn't cheating.
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All this fuss when OBVIOUSLY Dennison was just telling us all how EXCITED Tyrod is for a route to finally "open up"... LOL
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I think it would work if they just use the organ to play the first few notes repeatedly. "Ohhhhh Say... Ohhhhh Say Ohhhhh Say, Ohhhhh Say... Ohhhhh... Ohhhhh.. Ohhhhh Say Can You..." but just work it with the organ... LOLThat has to be wrong... for the love of wings, that has to be wrong.
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I was laughing out loud so I guess people just have different senses of humor
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the point is that with more picks you will miss for sure but the odds are you will hit on more since no one can predict who will make it as a contributor
Don't expect me to defend Schoop....but we just shortened our draft...went after the best...lost both of them..maybe for ever if the injury reduces their ability, and if we had traded down and picked 12 there would be a statistical better chance that we would have impact players on our rooster this year.
It is very possible that this years team rooster will be worse than last year
Interesting points... putting more draft stock in fewer players is like putting more eggs in one basket... it also stands to reason that a GM that put more eggs in one basket would be the type of GM that is trying to exert greater control over the precise makeup of the roster, pre-selecting the top of the roster, rather than allowing competition to do the job of selecting from within a larger pool of legitimate competitors. I wonder if such a GM is more likely to cling to that basket even when it is clearly unraveling... I actually think Whaley strikes a good balance between the two extremes.
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Did the family submit his brain for posthumous study? I bet he has CTE from all the big hits...
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Everyone piles on Mario for not making effort to rush upfield. This has got to be BS! The reason he's not rushing upfield is because he's being asked to spy and play pocket contain to prevent late developing plays out of the backfield. I find it very hard to believe that he can be in the backfield at will one year and then the next year, just not get upfield because he doesn't feel like it or he doesn't like his coaches so he's quitting. He's mad about the scheme because the scheme has him hanging out 2-3 yards down field. Here's not just hanging out down field for fun because that's what he wants to do... Because he WANTS to look bad!
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Mario just got slammed by Chris Brown. Anyone catch this in his Fan Friday blog post, quoting Bill Parcells? -
As Hall of Fame coach Bill Parcells once said:
Blame nobody expect nothing do something. Losers sit around in small groups, b**ching about the coach, the system and other players. Winners come together as a team.
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I see Mario williams play tough and bad boy within control the rest of the D needs to do the same .. Brown, Hughes , Rambo I feel all are high emotional guys who needs to be kept in check you know bellicheat or any coach would of pulled Hughes or brown after those boneheaded plays I can't believe we left them in they deserved a 1 play a$$ chew out not matter the outcome of the single play.
Definitely. I was screaming at Rex through the TV, "take control of your team"
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McCown was a street free agent in January. Cassel was traded before free agency. Taylor did not become a free agent until just before we signed him.
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Anyone think that Rex is setting up Belicheck for the 2nd meeting/playoffs?
Seriously, I understand how whacky this sounds, so no need to say it, and I'm not necessarily saying I'm considering this as a possibility. But did this thought cross anyone else's mind?
A week 2 win against Bill and Co. while showing your hand and throwing the kitchen sink in an all out effort to win isn't so great if you lose the 2nd meeting and/or playoffs.
Could Rex be going with the long con?
The only reason this thought even entered my head was because playing the DB's off the WR's all game when NE was throwing 95% short passes legitimately makes zero sense, even to people like us.
And I'm not suggesting Rex intentionally threw the game, just that he tried something different/played vanilla/tried to lull Belicheck into a false sense of having the upper hand going forward. We still almost came back and won.
Two words: "That's cute". Hahaha
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You know what I don't understand, why is the crowd so silent while the play is being radioed in. Everybody makes a huge deal of being as loud as possible while the quarterback is under center. Great, that makes checks and snap count difficult. But the intensity drops right after a good play by the defense. Everyone should keep screaming after the play while the coaches are talking strategy, the call is getting radioed in and the quarterback is calling the play in the huddle! Am I missing something?
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Interesting that all our cornerbacks have dreads and all of our safeties are clean cut.Interesting that on defense Butler is listed ahead of Brooks.
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I actually wondered if this was the reason the Bills were holding onto both Felton and Connor. Either of those guys are vastly better "road pavers" than any WR on the roster. Personally, I wouldn't want to risk Sammy to injury for the sole purpose of putting him in to block on a play. That would be careless coaching. I do think they'll keep two TE's on the roster none the less in addition to two FB's.
I haven't noticed Connor much in the preseason but this is definitely a possibility... Is Connor a receiving option? Felton definitely should be. Interesting approach.
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I agree, I wish we heard more about the backup safeties at training camp. Jonathon Meeks was mentioned by Coach as really standing out. Rambo looked good last year but hasn't really created any buzz this year. I never felt good about Duke being named the presumptive starter. It's a shame that Kenny Ladler didn't step up. I thought he might have been a good surprise this year.I wonder how Rambo is doing. Haven't heard much about any safeties except that Duke still stinks.
The other factor in this conundrum is that Ryan supposedly likes to use three safeties. When Pettine was here we heard a lot about his use of the safeties and of course, we saw it on the field with Searcy and Jim Leonhard seeing a lot of action along with A.W. and Byrd. I don't think I've heard anything about Rex's plans to use three safeties this year, but he's done it in the past.
So we have an offensive coach that likes to use TE's and a defensive coach that likes to use safeties and lots of questions at each position.
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I hadn't thought about the likelihood of injury or cheap shots. I suppose that is the reason you don't see much of this. We did used to see Josh Reed motion in tight and do some very effective blocking as a seal the edge type blocker. Hines Ward did a lot of that in Pittsburgh. Roman's blocking schemes though, seem to have a lot more mixing it up in very tight spaces at the line of scrimmage which might just not work for a smaller body. But, I still think Sammy would do fine one on one against most LB's toward the edge of the line or at the second level. He could get to the second level very quickly. And yes, he could obviously be a decoy blocker releasing into space to catch. This would not be a true heavy set to use regularly, but something to sprinkle in. It would have to be practiced when media is not around because no one saw anything to indicate this is a real option at TC
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I hear you on Duke. Maybe Duke plays in the box and Aaron plays deep?
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I am a ten-year veteran lurker, first time poster. Not sure why this topic compelled me to join the forum except that I haven't seen the idea posted anywhere else...
The fans are concerned about our depth at tight end working out for Greg Roman's offense. We don't want to keep a middling tight end at the expense of a very good wideout like Hogan or Goodwin. What if we only keep three tight ends on the roster. Then in the game, when it's time for Roman to call a power running play that would typically use three TE/FBs instead just keep two TE/FBs on the field, and motion Sammy inside as the third blocker. Remember when Sammy blew up his opponent in blocking drills? I'm guessing that wasn't a unique occurrence. This leaves Clay, Felton and Sammy on the field together, allows for pass plays out of the same formation. Maybe as elite an athlete as Sammy is, he is just as good a blocker as Marqueis Gray or Chris Gragg
In a similar vein, don't be surprised if Corey Graham plays all summer at safety to learn the position and then when the announcers begin to call the Colts game, you hear them say "Rex opting for the veteran at cornerback. The Buffalo native in his ninth NFL season, Corey Graham, matches up outside with Andre Johnson."
Tampa Bay's last play among longest in NFL history
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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What's the difference between a crappy lateral that bounces off the ground and a fumble... Intent?
. Ah., Thanks seregil