Jobot
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3 minutes ago, jrober38 said:
Stop making excuses.
He's not suddenly going to learn this between now and next season.
The year QBs typically make their big jump is year 1 to year 2. After that what you see is almost always what you get.
The guys who succeed in the NFL as first round picks almost always show they're really good shortly after they get on the field.
The guys who struggle the way Allen has in his 2nd year (29th in the NFL in QB Rating), are usually on new teams by their 5th season.
The offense has no rhythm because their QB is one of the most inefficient passers in the NFL.
Reality is not an excuse... But he hasn't played 2-full seasons, and throwing the towel in on him today is the dumbest idea anyone could suggest.
Say the defense stopped Cleveland on that final drive... would you be as pissed off today complaining about Allen and the team? I doubt it, so take a step back from the emotions from watching yesterday's game to think critically.
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1 minute ago, skibum said:
like Daboll is trying to trick the opposing defense rather than do the thing that is most likely to succeed in a given situation
Very apparent on a couple of 3rd and shorts yesterday in the second half... it looked like they didn't even have a single route under 10-yards as Allen hucks downfield incompletions.
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8 minutes ago, jrober38 said:
Absolutely not.
We have an extremely limited QB, who has never led a prolific offense at any point in his life.
The notion he was going to develop into a top NFL QB never made any sense.
Our offensive coordinator is also not functioning properly. Why don't we run the ball more? Why is Lee Smith ever on the field?
You could be right... but based on the talent on offense, I think it's unrealistic for a second year qb to carry the team. Until Allen can read a defense in a split second and counter the offense play calling/routes, the team will struggle to put up a lot of points. We don't have a Julio to just chuck the ball to, or an O-line that smacks the D off the snap.
I would imagine that learning curve is different for every qb that enters the league, and I would also imagine that at times Allen may get this right but team mistakes or opposing 'talented' defenses stymie what could have been.
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2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:
so who is the Pats Fan. It was clearly a incomplete pass. Game said. Salvatore said. Only ones that are not agreeing are the ones that want to put this on the refsTroll...
19 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:Tell me people aren’t really trying to pretend the refs got the call wrong.
Lmao, it’s literally 100% indisputable, it was an incomplete pass. Ball was IN FRONT of the QB...case closed.
5 pages about a play that has 0 room for argument?
We lost because our kicker missed 2 FGs. We lost because our offense didn’t do enough that made 2 missed FGs the deciding factor. We lost because Daboll sucks. We lost because our D only played tough at goal Lina but let too many drives get there. We lost for a lot of reasons.
But we did NOT lose because of this Hughes play, it was 100% without question an incomplete pass.
Not disputing that the Bills had plenty of chances... but the reason there's so much discussion is some people are applying the 'lateral justification' point of the ball from release to point of the ball when it hits the ground. That rule calls this a fumble if you don't think the ball moved forward. Bakers arm goes up towards the sky, not from behind his head forward.
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I don't see improvement on the offense. If anything, teams around the league are getting better and making things more difficult for Allen and the offense as the year has gone on. Early on in the season, Allen was given more leash to audible at the line, I feel like this doesn't happen anymore.
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When can we get rid of him without a big cap hit?
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Just now, Success said:
That was the correct call, by a mile. I was just hoping for some Music City Miracle karma from the refs, but they called it right.
Example: An overhand lateral towards the sideline that is dropped = a fumble.
A lateral is defined from the point at which the ball leaves your hand to the point it hits the ground
How is this different?
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28 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
I selfishly want to argue it didn’t go forward but that play is a point of emphasis and that is exactly why teams are running it this year. Always going to be called incomplete even if it SHOULD be ruled fumble unfortunately.
If the qb tosses the ball just slightly forward it's incomplete, which is why the designed play is considered safe. Baker botched this by tossing the ball straight up.
Now if ppl think the ball traveled forward... fine, but I didn't see a replay angle that showed anything close to justify reversing the call. What if Baker continued the motion and threw the ball over his head? Obviously there is a point when this would result in a fumble.. that point is forward vs. not-forward.
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5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
and it also Hit Hunt so what is your point?
Dude this makes no difference. Forward passes are determined from the spot of the ball, NOT the player. You don't understand the rule, I'm gonna stop arguing with you.
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1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:
did his arm move forward? That isn’t what this is. Because the Ball did travel forward anywayHis arm moved up towards the sky.
Also you didn't answer my question...
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1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:
Of course you have your Bills glasses on.
Okay bud.
1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:
wrong the justification on Allen’s First incompletion was Arm moving forward. That is all that has to happen. Jesusand is the reason these plays are reall in vogue takes the fumble out of it
If the qb throws a perfect lateral (not up-field or backwards) precisely down the line of scrimmage, is that a fumble if it's dropped?
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1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:
wrong. Hence why Allen has an Incomplete pass EARLIER in the game when Garret hit him. Side arm (Garret has his arm pinned) and ball went str8 down. So that should have been a Fumble too you are saying?Did that ball not go forward? Also the justifcation was that it was because Allen was being hit that it wasn't a fumble... You may have actually proven yourself wrong haha.
Not trying to be a dick. It was a unique play, but I haven't been convinced that the refs got it right.
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1 minute ago, Troll Toll said:
Mayfield releases the ball from his hand at the 20.5 yard line and it lands at the 20.25 yard line.
Hard to tell for sure, but also no way to think the ball goes forward from the replay. The call should not have been overturned IMO.
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9 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
proper call. Sorry arm motion is forward. Hunt is in front of Baker. Proper callSuch confidence but your justifications make no sense. If someone were to provide an actual justification I would be thrilled.
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4 minutes ago, JK Fan said:
Yes he dropped it forward. The arm was moving forward when he dropped it thus an incomplete pass.
The ball went from point A to point A. Arm direction doesn't matter (I would think). Unless i'm way off base here, but his arms were lobbing the ball straight up in the air.
7 minutes ago, Richmond_Bills said:Oh my god people. The ball went forward. It went through Hunts arms who was IN FRONT of Mayfield.
Watch the replay. Bakers arms hold the ball while fully extended... imagine a volley ball player bumping the ball straight up in the air. There is room for a player to get underneath where his arms were
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23 minutes ago, Whitey13 said:
I dont get why people cant get this through their head.
Because a forward pass needs to go... forward.
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25 minutes ago, JK Fan said:
Yes, it was a forward pass. The Bills run the same play every week with McKenzie. The idea is to drop and let the player catch it.
From the video replay there was no indication the ball went foward. It looked like it went straight up and down. That was a fumble.
Worst part was the nonsensical justification the ref gave that his arm was moving forward!
Game should have been over, non the less, had opportunities after the missed call.
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It's understanding opposing defenses better that he needs to improve on. He can throw the ball just fine (improve as a passer not necessary), we need him to be able to identify and react more quickly. This comes with time and repetition.
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Allen has got the tools. He has the ability to make every NFL throw as well as elite running ability. It takes repetition for the game to slow down and the offense to become second nature.
New O-line
New Recievers
New TE
New RBs
2nd YEAR QB!
...all things considered, there's no guarantee that Bellichick would have this team at 6-2 had he replaced McDermott!
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7 minutes ago, Virgil said:
There’s actually a lot of evidence that points to the contrary. Now, you could say that the players who leave are upset they didn’t get paid or got cut, but even Gronk made comments about how no fun that place was under him.All players at some point in their career get cut. Being up front and honest with people is all I think you can ask in those situations which I've never heard a story of Bellicheck doing any backstabbing.
As for Gronk... he's a nut and also could have left sooner if having fun was his top priority. You can't argue that Belichick doesn't get the best out of his players better than anyone else in the game. -
40 minutes ago, Gugny said:
Statistically speaking, Favre took dips in all areas from his last year in GB to his year in NJ
Favre was injured during his year with the Jets and is believed to be a big reason for the drop-off mid-season. I believe the team was even fined for not disclosing.
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1 hour ago, Virgil said:
***** him.
I don’t care if the article says he built a children’s hospital by hand.
May he give Brady a horribly painful STD
Between how he has run up scores in the past, never disciplined his players for cheap plays, consistently spits in the face of the league, and overall presents himself, he’s not a person I’d ever want my kid to play for.
Winning isn’t everything.
We only see what the media shows us. I bet if you talked to anyone who ever played for him or had any sort of relationship with him, they would say otherwise. He's apparently incredibly loyal to the people he works with and is known to do right by his word. It's very difficult for me to feel bad for the NFL (that he 'spits in the face of') when IMO they have blundered their way to ridiculous profits at the cost of the health of 1000s of past players. The NFL shield is just a mega-corporation, bud.
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I think it comes from the fact that the majority of games that Bills fans watch are one of two teams. First and most obvious, Bills fans watch Bills games. Second most watched are the Patriots. The Patriots style of winning games typically results in dominating nearly all 60 minutes. So us Bills fan are likely comparing the Bills winning style to the biggest outlier in the history of the NFL.
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Throwing up a stat like this is so absurdly worthless. This post screams "I looked for a statistic to support my opinion"
Season 1 stats are of an entirely different rosterSeason 2 stats are from a TOTAL rebuild
Season 3 stats... maybe the only true data you can justify using.
But how does this compare to other teams/coaches? Maybe he's right in the middle of the pack.. but we'd never know!
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Hughes non-TD
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Troll because you stubbornly hold to your views regardless of logic after proven incorrect
"Not-forward" aka "lateral" is also a fumble. It doesn't have to go backwards to be a fumble, it just has to go forward to not be a fumble.