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If john Murphy tweets out that he booked Clay's HS football coach for the show tonight then I'll really get excited
lol
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So my understanding of the process with the tag in place:
- Clay can sign his tender from Miami or he can solicit offers from other teams
- Clay can only present one to Miami. This offer does not have to be > the $7 million tender.
- Miami has 5 days to match offer or not
- If they do, that is his new contract with Miami
- If they do not, that is his new contract with the offering team
Right?
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You know in a way the tag may actually help the Bills. At the moment the tag discourages other teams from bidding on him because they don't want to have to structure a front loaded contract to get him so only the teams that REALLY REALLY want him will bid (Bills and maybe the Browns). If the Phins lift the tag then he becomes a UFA and then anyone can offer any kind of contract to him and all of a sudden we could be competing with a number of teams. I suggest the Bills submit the front loaded contract now!
I agree. I think the Phins are doing this to hurt the Bills but in reality it may save them because there may be more attractive destinations that can be more flexible with how they structure the deal given we only have 15 mill cap space left and still want to get Harvin in as well as Clay.
I would be more worried if the tag is rescinded.
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I wonder if clay takes it personally the the fins are using him as a pawn. I get its all business etc, but a big ego could still resent this whether he should or not.
No matter your ego it can't feel good to be a pawn in another persons game.
Technically anyone can present him an offer sheet now - but don't want to pay that much, I assume. If that's the case, the Bills are ahead no matter what as they clearly want to pay him more than anyone else.
Correct. Value to us isn't the same as value to a team that doesn't value a more hybrid tight end role. I think he will match whatever contract we give him with production. He will be a main piece in the misdirection Roman wants in his offense.
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what's Clay set to make this year on the 'phins? What does he make this year if they rescind the tranny tag?
If they rescind the tag then he is an UFA. Then we have to compete with everyone.
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Do we really need to have an unfriendly structure though? Right now with Clay they are at 1m in cap space including draft picks. So say we get a cap hit of 8m this year, we can still balance it out over the remainder of the contract. It's just going to be unfriendly for year 1.
I don't believe we do. But they do have more cap saving moves they can make. I would want to call there bluff. I think it's just a rival trying to make it harder for us ploy. Nothing more.
I agree with you. Just offer an unfriendly deal in year 1, which we have room for. It doesn't have to be 10 + Mill as some have suggested. I don't think Miami will match anything 7+.
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Sorry if this was brought up before, but couldn't the Dolphins be really screwed if NOBODY makes an offer to Clay? It's a gamble for them as much as us, they'd be in cap hell THIS season probably have to start cutting left and right
They can rescind the transition tag before Clay signs if it looks like no one will make an offer. But they want to force us to structure an unfriendly deal so they won't, yet.
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now what was I saying in that other thread??
oh yea F5
I F5'd to read a post telling me to F5.
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You sneaky devil. You posted this in both threads.
He doesn't want to disappoint anyone.
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The obvious answer is to lock this older longer thread and leave just one thread, and a shorter one.
This.
It's been done before for longer threads. Multiple threads only matter if they are all open. This one should be locked if the newer one is meant to replace it.
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Yeah, that much I got. Miami effectively flipped the script on us. The bastards!
We still have the edge in this, I believe.
Miami is just doing what they can to make it hard for us. Drag out Suh's contract. Drag out Clay offer / no offer for a long term contract. Drag out the Jordan Cameron deal as far as they could. All so we have to prepare, update and re update the offer we've had in the works for Clay.
Effectively tying up our organizations focus on Clay. I still think we'll get both Clay and Harvin. But not without Miami making us really work for it.
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What does this even mean
@Ajbisons: @reinagel_daniel #Dolphins are banking on a bidding war for Charles Clay b/c there's more risk for competing teams to lose him in FA market.
I think he means if they take the Browns tight end, after they were reserved at losing Clay, that they will then be forced to heavily pursue Clay more so than they have. Make a stronger push. Forcing more of a bidding war between the Bills and Browns. The competing teams.
In turn hurting the Bills.
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@CharlesRobinson: W/ Jordan Cameron in books, Buffalo #Bills will have an offer to Miami #Dolphins TE Charles Clay today or Sat. They believe they'll get him.
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He seems like a good kid. He was the #1 overall recruit in the country out of HS before he hurt his ankle. I believe Bryce Brown was as well. Let's hope we can get some blocking for these guys.
I didn't realize his mom was the one who nicknamed him "Shady" when we was a baby because he was moody, lol.
Yes, I agree. Although I would not have made this trade I can't bash it either. It's too early. I'm excited to see how Shady will work in this offense. Although I am dissappointed I wont see Brown, Bradham and Kiko line up together.
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Espn did a feature on McCoy a few years ago. It's about 12 min.
Philadelphia Eagles RB LeSean McCoy is no secret to NFL fans. But in high school, LeSean suffered a devastating ankle injury that threatened his football future. E:60's Lisa Salters tells the story of how McCoy made it to the NFL.
Thanks for sharing.
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Nobody is arguing he didn't kill a whole heck of a lot of bison. This is originally what he was paid for, and he even earned his name in a bison killing contest against another man who claimed the same 'Buffalo Bill' title. But to say he helped cause their extinction (which in itself is incorrect because they are not extinct (yet)) is just not true and is unfair to his legacy. I doubt there is an American from that era who would be more disappointed to learn that they no longer roam the American west.
I meant to say brink of extinction and apologize for that. But he was not a major factor in the american Bison making its return from that brink of extinction that he contributed to.
His legacy, whether fairly applied or not, was that he helped cause the near extinction of the animal.
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Wild Bill Cody? I think I know who needs the history lesson.
"Cody supported conservation by speaking out against hide-hunting and pushing for a hunting season"
Wilson, R.L. (1998). Buffalo Bill's Wild West: An American Legend. Random House. p. 316. ISBN 978-0-375-50106-7.
Anyone can throw quotes from Wikipedia onto a forum to call someone out. Good job.
"Cody is purported to have killed 4,282 American bison (commonly known as buffalo) in eighteen months, (1867–1868)."
Cody, Col. William F: The Adventures of Buffalo Bill Cody, 1st ed. page viii. New York and London: Harper & Brother, 1904
But for some reason I think his actions showed differently than his support and talk for conservation.
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I cannot find the video anymore but there was a video pertaining to the history of the Bills. It talked about the logo and the name. One of the things stated that the origin for our current name was taken from a possibility of scenarios.
One of them that was more compelling was that it was not at all related to Wild Bill Cody. But that is the easiest explanation and the one national media likes to blast as hypocritical although it may not be true.
I love the Bills Logo and think that judging it because it is not representative of Wild Bill Cody is stupid. Wild Bill Cody helped decimate the Bison population and drive it to the brink of extinction. At times the organization has tried to distance themselves from that figure for that reason. Would we really want to incite more criticism by associating the name clearly to Wild Bill Cody by using him in the logo or using him killing a Buffalo?
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It was, if you'll pardon the pun, a very cool read. Should be in Off The Wall, though.
This
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Side note: that's a really effective commercial. Very. Not so much for insurance...but every time it comes on, I crave a chicken parmesan sub.
This.
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This is silly.
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Item #1 and #4 should have been settled during the interview process. If not, something is badly wrong.
#2 should be Whaley's job (with input from Ryan)
I am sure there were discussions about this (Regarding 1 and 4) but I doubt anything is finalized prior to him signing a deal
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Hughes
Hairston
Smith
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The funny thing I find is the lack of understanding to the plan to begin with and how we royally screwed this young man in his first year.
EJ was touted as the highest ceiling among quarterbacks in a poor class. It was fairly known that at least one other team had him highly rated. Possibly even first round and the team most connected was Philadelphia. I never heard anyone say, prior to the draft, he was ready to play as a rookie. He was supposed to sit for a year if not two to refine his mechanics and footwork as well as learn the speed of the pro game and differences from college.
I had a huge issue with this coaching staff for not having a quarterbacks coach during his rookie season. How you can decide to forgo that coaching position when you have a raw rookie that you just spent a first round pick on and is supposed to become the face of your franchise is beyond me. The reason touted, of not wanting anything lost in translation between Hackett and the quarterbacks, was reasonable but in no way important enough to stunt the learning of your franchise quarterback.
The plan was to have EJ sit behind an injury prone journeyman quarterback was also foolish. If it worked to plan it may have been beneficial but that plan has a high likelihood of the skipper crash and burning and thrusting poor EJ to the fire prematurely.
Then EJ has an injury plagued rookie season in which he is not able to get into any sort of routine and it was evident. He had a few good games but many more ineffective rookie mistake filled games.
This year it seemed EJ did progress. He looked good to start. We started 2-0 with a good defense and strong running game behind a sub par o-line.
The next two games our running game disappeared. Our o-line lost Williams who wasn't great but was still better than anything that replaced him for the rest of the season. EJ was overwhelmed. He was being coached to play risk free. And he was getting pressure from our turnstile of guards on a lot of drop backs quicker than he should had. Our genius of an offensive coordinator had him throw 39 times and 44 times in those two subsequent losses. We never should have put him in that position.
Him being benched and being able to develop his mechanics and footwork as well as his benching teaching him that sometimes he has to let it go regardless of risk and trust himself is probably the best thing for him. As a Bills fan I can only hope he's learned and improved because if he does reach his potential then we have a franchise quarterback. If he doesn't show improvement then there's many more factors than just EJ we can point to that may have contributed to his failure. And this offensive coaching staffs hubris of trying to do too much to begin with could be front and center.
For that alone I wouldn't mind seeing Hackett gone.
Edit: Should not post from an Android at 6:50am after waking up. Corrected typos! Sorry!
[closed]Charles Clay to Bills? - the sequel/trilogy
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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The point is at what expense in the future though. That is why people are focusing on the cap. No one is saying they aren't getting better. All I see are people saying they are actively pinching themselves in the future.