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Just now, PatsFanNH said:
I forgot that was the AFCCG in 2021 I thought was division round.. I stand corrected.
Sigh the rest is excuse making I heard so much from Colts fans threw the Peyton years.. sadly your wrong about this for Allen, the Bills had the better Defense than the Bengals this year, as for coaching I don’t think the Bengals are any better. The true difference is the. E gals drafts better than most everyone else and has a lot of young elite talent out there on O. Those 3 WR are awesome but their O line is definitely inferior to the Bills O line which wasn’t very good either. The truth is the Bengals the last 2 years have excelled in the playoffs.. The Bills were 13 seconds last year from being repeats in the AFC Game.
Stop no one has had a better PLAYOFF defense over the last 2 years than Cincy. A defense that has held down offenses such as KC at KC last year and both at Buffalo and at KC again this year. I see you changed it to the Bengals, not Burrow at the end if your response. That I've never denied, the Bengals have had the better record in the last 2 playoffs.
Our defense by the end of the year wasn't better. Not minus Hyde, Miller, Hamlin(Hydes replacement), with Poyer and Tre White playing no where near 100%. Hell Poyer could barely run at the end. That's 12 All-Pro selections between them. There was too much talent lost to be a good defense and they weren't from mid-season on. Oh yeah I forgot Free Safety #3 gets hurt in the Bengals game, on to #4. And on and on it went.
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11 minutes ago, DCofNC said:
Burrow has beaten Maholmes when it matters, Allen hasn’t. That’s not a take, that’s fact. Burrow has also beaten Maholmes more in the regular season as well.
Burrow had a far better year than Allen this year, that’s fact. Burrow destroyed the Bills and Allen, that’s fact. Burrow is currently regarded as the better QB by everyone that doesn’t love the Bills.
Yeah? Who won? Who has the credit for the game winning drive? Who has won every playoff match-up? Sorry, but moral victories don’t count in the real world.
Automatically disagree with takes that gives a single player credit for a team accomplishment. 12 other qbs could've reached the Super Bowl last year with that defense, that coaching staff, that WR trio and that fg kicker. But hey go give all the credit to the man who did the least out of those I listed on his team. Averages 22 ppg, led an offense that only scored a td on 16.6% of their drives, but kicked fgs on 33.2% of their droves. Led the offense to 7 tds in 4 games. Way to go Joe, you killed it!!!
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1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:
That be a close call for me. Just because Burrows has that swagger about him that seems to make the people around him play better. Mind you both are great players but to say Allen > Burrows right now is premature.. Burrows in 2 full seasons has gone to the SB once and the AFCCG game twice… Allen hasn’t made either yet..
Is Allen more talented? Yes, so was Peyton to Brady, hell Rogers had more than both and we know which one is the GOAT.
Yeah Allen and the Bills made the AFC Championship Game in 2020.
Allen has statistically been the better QB than Burrow in the playoffs, but then again several QBs are. Burrow has led a playoff offense that averages only 22 ppg now 7 playoff games into his career. He's lost twice with a defense that's never given up more than 24 points and averages giving up 18.8 ppg in those 7 games. And a fg kicker who is 19/19. He's led them on only 14 td drives and 19 fg drives lol. That's horrible QB play. As I said he's so far behind Allen statically in 1 less game in the playoffs that if he was to equal Allen's numbers this is what his next game would have look like: 508 yards passing, 8 passing tds, 0 ints, 316 yards rushing, 1 rushing td, 16 yards receiving, 1 receiving td.
Getting to and/or winning a Super Bowl is a team accomplishment, credit shouldn't go to a single player. Unless maybe where elite play warrants it. It doesn't in this case.
Burrow has been surrounded by an elite playoff defense, an elite playoff kicker, the best WR trio in the game, a great coaching staff and he's squandered it 2 years running. Josh could only be so lucky to have everything Burrow has had at his disposal. What's that Tee Higgins wants #1 WR money? Time's a ticking Joe until the playing field is on more evened ground.
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1 minute ago, BBills_88 said:
After watching, Dorsey needs to have answer for every play.
Dorsey wants to be aggressive, but he has no exact plan.
Hopefully Josh learned from this tape.
He threw quickly a bunch of times in the NE playoff game and mixed in some longer passes. 4 of his 5 tds were less than 20 yds and 3 of those 4 were quick throws. Have no idea what you're referring to there. Just rewatched the game yesterday.
Started the game against KC the same way. As the game progressed and they saw a clear weakness with honey badger leaving the game. Once they identified that they started taking deeper shots to Gabe.
And yes when you hit on almost all your deep shots over a 2 game stretch, with most going for tds, it's going to be the most effective part of your game. He was lethal with the deep ball in the playoffs last year.
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4 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
Given the weather too, this was the obvious gameplan. Look at what the bengals did— just very simple quick stuff and then guys made defenders miss with a move in the snow.
I don’t get it, because the first few games of the year, we were all over the quick stuff. And then we added a Hines who is perfect for it also.
I don't get it either. I've said this the last couple days now, he was quick and decisive in the playoffs last year and in the first few games this year, then in games 4-6 it all slowly went away. I don't know if all the injuries early on made him feel he had to do more or what, but there was a clear difference in play between Josh weeks 1-3 and late season/playoff Josh this year.
He was so quick getting the ball out in week 1 that Chris Collinsworth compared his play that night to Brady, saying something like If I didn't know any better I swear we're watching Brady tonight. He mentioned just how fast the ball was coming out on several occasions. Part of Dorsey's job is keeping Allen on schedule, he needs to do alot better next year.
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1 hour ago, SCBills said:
Bengals owner better figure out how to gain access to cash… and fast.
Burrow is one thing. They know what they need to do, otherwise lose the fanbase.
Chase likely in the same boat given the draft pick to take him and Burrow connection.
Higgins and the other pieces coming due are quite another.
Burrow and Chase will probably get what somewhere around $250 million guaranteed between them? Maybe more. Those 2 alone will take 25% of Mike Brown's net worth outside of the value of the team, that will need to go into escrow.
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Statistically one is better than the other in the postseason.....and it ain't Brady.
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3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:
Yep misread the offensive mvp 2010.
so Phil got 2 votes each in 08 and 09
and Josh got 4 in 2020.
not even remotely similar
Considering one spans his whole 17 year career and the other is only 5 years into his and has already placed higher in said mvp voting, not too similar at all.
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1 hour ago, Chaos said:
You do understand Elway needed a HC change before he won it all? Or don't you know things?
The biggest thing Elway needed was a run game to take pressure off him. Something Reeves didn't provide, but Shanahan did. When Reeves departed the Broncos were a bottom 5ish running team and once Shanahan got here he immediately established a yearly top 5 rushing attack. In the 2 years they won the Super Bowl they finished 2nd & 4th in rushing even though Elway only averaged 150 yards per year.
We've had 2 straight OCs that refused to run the ball once Allen's play took a leap prior to 2020. Many of us here have been begging the Bills to start running it more for a couple years now. The 1st OC then leaves to become a HC his team is instantly a top 8 team in rushing attempts and top 4 in rushing yards.
The positive effect would be two fold. 1 it would take pressure off of Josh and establishing a run game would help open up the passing game, especially the play action game. Want to get the defenses out of the 2 deep safty look this offense sees alot, this is one way of doing it. And 2 how do you protect a defense you don't trust or under performs in certain situations? By limiting their time on the field. I think this offense would be lethal with a good, consistent running game.
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3 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:
Montana was better.
Especially in the Super Bowl. Never had a qb rating lower than 100. His last 3 he averaged ~330 yards and had 10 tds with 0 ints and a qb rating of 134 collectively in those 3 games. The most impressive part about that is this was done in the mid to late 80s when defenses got away with alot more in the secondary and defenses could and did blow up WRs and QBs on the regular.
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13 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:
It’s the end results that count, is Josh a better QB than Rivers? Yes he is, but it’s the end results, stats don’t mean a lot if every season ends as they have ended, Compared to the ugly years of the drought, the Bills are doing f ing great imo, it just seems as if we have plateaued, and now less talent than we need, it’s up to Beane and McDermott to get it right, and they are starting to slip a bit, jmo,
GO BILLS!!!
So the better comparison would be the Bills(Allen era) vs the Chargers(Rivers era), no? Because that's where the comparisons stop. Statically in the postseason Allen has been the far superior QB between the 2.
Allen 17 tds, 4 ints on 309 attempts in 8 games. Rivers 16 tds, 10 ints on 401 attempts in 12 games. QB Rating Allen 99.6, Rivers 85.3. Yds per game - Allen 2,334 yds/8 games - 291.8. Rivers 2,965/12 games - 247.1. We haven't even got to the running aspect yet.
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3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:
If Allen is struggling what do you call the play of 28 other QB's not named Allen?
Allen has already proven that he's an elite QB and one of the top 5 in the NFL. All that remains is for the Bills to narrow the enormous gap between the offensive talent (line + skill players) surrounding Allen and the talent surrounding Mahomes, Burrow & Hurts. That Allen can be spoken of in the same breadth as these other QB's given the talent deficiencies around him suggests to me that with the right group of players on offense Allen would be at the top of any QB list.
If Allen was playing for any of the 4 teams playing last week he would've already had at least 1 Super Bowl title. His career postseason play is among the best ever and that's just on the passing end. He's by far the best running qb on that list and the biggest receiving threat too(Paging Mr. Daboll) lol. A perfect 1 target, 1 catch, 16 yards, 1 td.
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21 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:
This analogy has been made at least 2 or 3 times this past week on Schopp and Bulldog on GR-55.
Bulldog suggested Mahomes vs. Burrow feels like Brady vs. Manning, and Allen is Roethlisberger...or maybe even Rivers, as you suggest.
What concerns me is that Josh's game is at its best when he's a little out of control and living in the moment, doing crazy things with success on the field. That's not sustainable and repeatable week in and week out. And sure enough, look at the inconsistencies in his game....
No Allen's game was at its best while being fully in control and having, statistically, the best postseason ever by a qb. It was like he was Neo in the Matrix last year.
We got a quick look at it again during the first few weeks of this year, then it slowly vanished away. I think as the injuries mounted early this year he felt the pressure to produce more. Then his own injury came, limiting his game.
The best part about it is in the postseason, statistically, he's been a lot better than everyone listed(Including Ben, Brady, Manning) besides Mahomes, in every stat. I mean Brady is considered the goat, especially in the playoffs, his career postseason td/int ratio 2.25/1, Josh's 4.25/1, passing ypg Brady - 279, Josh - 292, comp% Brady 62.5, Josh 63.8, ypa Brady 6.98, Josh 7.55, QB Rating Brady 89.8, Josh 99.0. Seems like one had a team and coach around him that helped lead to his playoff success and the other had been left to do it mostly on his own.
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13 hours ago, Big Turk said:
Burrow actually kinda sucks in the playoffs. His stats impress no one.
1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:See manning reference
So going by the above I'm guessing you're saying Burrow is Manning because they both play great in the regular season, but average in the playoffs?
If it's anything close to what I said above and based on the comment Burrow's stats impress no one, I think it is, then the Allen comparison to Rivers makes even less sense. Josh has been statistically the best qb in the playoffs of the group of 6 players you listed(7 if you count Newton) not named Patrick Mahomes. This isn't my opinion, it a fact. Better comp%, yds per game, td/int ratio(A little over 4/1) by a mile. Besides Mahomes the closest is a little over 2/1, tds per game and QB Rating. He just hasn't had any help from his team. Put him on KC or Cincy and he already has 2 Super Bowl wins.
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32 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:
2008 2009 2010
Josh only 2020 votes so
Rivers received 2 votes in 2008 & 2 in 2009. The one year you provided that gets me is 2010, he didn't receive any votes, so I'm not sure why you listed it? Brady was the unanimous choice that year, receiving all 50 votes. Imo you can't be a serious contender without a single vote to your credit. Rivers never finished higher than 3rd in the mvp race and Josh has already equaled his mvp vote total for his career.
I see your bad takes on Josh and the other top qbs continue. So far you have 1 person that agrees with you, a known troll, that should tell you enough.
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2 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:
Ever since the clock showed zero in Buffalo two weeks ago, this board has been a race to the bottom to see who can be the most dramatically miserable.
Like a bunch of kicking & screaming kids who didn't get ice cream. But....but..MOMMY!!! Crying all the way in their race to the bottom.
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1 hour ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:
Is it just me, or is anyone else frustrated that the Bengals got to a super bowl and an afc championship under Burrows rookie deal, and the Bills fell far short of those achievements under Josh’s rookie contract?
In the Bills defense Josh had alot further to go to be ready to even dream of going deep into the playoffs than Burrow once entering the league and some bad luck. He clearly wasn't ready in year 1 or year 2. In year 3(2020) Diggs, Brown and Beasley were all banged up entering the playoffs. I agree with the last 2 years that they couldn't though.
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1 hour ago, FrenchConnection said:
Joe Burrow got the ball with 2 minutes needing a FG to go to the Superbowl. The Bengals punted.
Which is surprising seeing how that's the one thing he's been great at in the playoffs, leading his offense on a fg drive.
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2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:
I agree. We're not getting an opener or a Thanksgiving game which is great.
NO Thanksgiving Day game please. Losing Tre & Von to ACL injuries the last 2 turkey day games is enough to know it's bad mojo.
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1 hour ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:
I don’t have a doubt in my mind aJosh Allen is winning a Super Bowl. The doubt is weather it is in Buffalo. Most likely not because PSE ownership isn’t committed to winning a Super Bowl for the Buffalo Bills just ROI and profits over winning anything. If PSE ownership was committed to winning that new Buffalo Bills stadium would be domed and PSE would pay for all the extra costs. The Florida Gators posts earlier today had a point with their $85 million dollar facilities for the Florida Gators. Players are getting resort like facilities at the major college conferences. The Buffalo Bills are going to have a recruiting problem in the future as more and more NFL football facilities are domed. Plus the Tennessee Titans are removing there grass for turf. Our clueless Bills owner is removing turf for grass which is also a mistake. PSE isn’t committed to giving Buffalo Bills the best facilities to win unfortunately in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo
Hello, welcome to the game of football. There's so much wrong here, you got to be new to the game. First off the Pegulas aren't worried about their roi with the Bills. They've spent a ton of money on their facilities, facilities that are known to be among the best in the league. Have no idea where you got that one from. Also Terry puts tons of money up front for contracts, again it up there with other top teams. Terry pumps alot of money back into his team and spares no expense for his players and coaches.
Next the Bills are going to grass because it's safer for their players. I'm glad owners are tired of watching their players blow out ACLs because of turf. Tre's & Von's ACLs both on turf(And Thanksgiving).
And lastly if you ever heard Josh talk about Buffalo and the Bills you know he's not going anywhere.
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1 hour ago, Big Turk said:
Burrow actually kinda sucks in the playoffs. His stats impress no one.
Damn it's nice to see someone else say this. I've been saying this since a few weeks before the Monday night matchup. He owes all his postseason success to his defense & to his fg kicker McPherson, who's 19 for 19 on fg attempts in the last 2 years.
He got credited and praised for getting the Bengals to the Super Bowl even though his play was absolutely average. Led his offense to only 7 tds in 4 games, Josh did that by the end of game 1 last postseason. 14 fgs in 4 games, he's praised while the team kicks twice as many fgs as they score tds. If that was Josh all you would've heard was Josh Allen can't get it in the endzone when it matters most, on a loop, over and over again.
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On 1/30/2023 at 5:05 PM, The Frankish Reich said:
I’m not about to criticize the man for playing a round or four of golf is he feels fine to do it. But … remember the stories about how Josh kicked back and didn’t think about football at all last offseason? You may be on to something here. Perhaps just a tiny bit too comfortable with where he and the Bills really were this season.
I'd be more Inclined to think this if he didn't get off to a blazing start to the year. Through the first 6 games he was the front runner for MVP and on pace to break or come close to all sorts of records. The Green Bay game is where his play started to decline, committing 8 turnovers in a 3 week span.
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1 hour ago, Beck Water said:
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One team with a QB still on his rookie deal and the other on a much more lucrative 2nd Contract.
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12 minutes ago, Mango said:
Just via the eye test Josh Allen makes these insane throws that nobody else can make, but the general function of the offense looks so much harder than other QB's. Even under Daboll. Hell, before this NYG season this board was split on whether BD should be fired or promoted to HC instead of McD.
Josh has really struggled against zone for a good portion of his NFL career. Beasley helped, early but it is not something he has ever been super good at. He is a freak athlete and a smart guy, but I think his insane physiology covers up some deficiencies in processing time. His strong arm allows him to be late to throw and his big play ability allows him to not need to take what is given to him.
It is all a blessing and a curse.The offense certainly has issues outside of QB play, but I think Allen makes it difficult on the OL and WR position at times too.
The processing is there, it was on full display in the playoffs last year and the first 2-3 games this year. So much so that in week 1 Chris Collinsworth said something to the effect of "If I didn't know better I swear we were watching Brady tonight". He was going to the checkdowns quickly and taking deep shots when they made sense, like hitting a couple deep passes later in the Rams game when the corners started sitting on the shorter routes.
His play started to get spotty in weeks 4-6 and then fell off a cliff after that. To me that's just as much on the coaching, if not more so, for failing to get him back on track.
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Josh = Phil Rivers (just messenger)
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Lol stop. We're talking playoffs stats, when it really matters!! Not some meaningless regular season stats. Joe Burrow's play in the playoffs to date....by every measurement has been average so far. His QB Rating, his QBR, his yards, his tds passes per game, his td to int ratio, every measurement comes back average or below average. Only one he excels in, that's riding his teammate's coattails in the playoffs and then taking the credit for it.