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5 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said:
If they Bills had drafted Roethlisberger they'd have ruined him just like they did with all their other QBs in that era. Ben is lucky he went to Pittsburgh.
I am not confident that is the case. It might have been a good run with Donahoe if the Bills traded up and drafted Rotho something. It would have changed the trajectory with the butterfly effect. Donahoe had some good qualities. Ralph Wilson would have trusted him more if we had Roethlisberger and had more success.
In all reality, if we drafted Roethlisberger the last 20 years would be totally different.
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9 hours ago, Einstein said:
The 02 draft was not awful at all. It was average to above average. Denney, Reed, Wire and Williams.
Denney and Reed were JAGs. Wire was a useful late round pick. Which Williams? Was that Mike Williams at #4?
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9 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:
Not sure why Donahoe drafted McGahee though. Henry had 1400 yards in 02 and 1300 yards in 03. 2700 yards in 2 seasons
Totally agree and especially with a year of rehab as well. However, RB was more valued then, but, I still don't get it and still don't like it.
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8 hours ago, Herb Nightly said:
Poyer, Hyde and Rapp. Hamlin,Anderson, Mayden. Maybe even Lewis and Benford. How bad do the Bills really need a safety this year? As with DT,I'm not overly concerned with expiring contracts because Beane is a master of the 1-year deal
Agreed, but, that is a lot of options and leverage of safeties. But, no clear path. I like all the hedging and options. But, not sure on anything.
Poyer and Hyde are awesome! But, getting old and have concerns.
Rapp is possibly a good fill in.
Hamlin May or may not play again and is not a complete safety, but, a good back up.
Andersen and Mayden….meh on meh
JMO
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2 hours ago, Prospector said:
can i get the "Championship" comment out of the way?
Championship!
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18 hours ago, wppete said:
Damn this thread is still going strong. Maybe Beane has a big surprise trade on draft day.
Oliver would need to exit to take on Hopkins. Maybe the Bills draft a 1 technique on Day 2 of the draft and then can trade Oliver to free up the cap space. It is more like Madden and probably not happening at all, but.............go Bills!
10 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:200 strong! This means its a lock that we dont get him
Haha, very funny because it is very true!
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26 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Aaron Williams like.
Nice, thanks
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18 hours ago, CSBill said:
Looks and smells like a safety.
We could use a safety. Will Cory Trice make it to the 4th or 5th round?
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My participation in this thread is this. No more comments other than Brady is a wussy who points the fingers, not the thumbs guy. Top 10 QB ever. Takes the praise, gives the blame. Goodell and America wanted the success and drove it.
It is like Barry Bonds, you would have possibly and probably have been the best ever without steroids. Why did you do it, ego!
Brady could have been the best ever, why cheat over and over again and scream at people for calling you out. Lance Armstrong anyone?!
Brady is a clown, who could have been GOAT, but, I don't consider him in the conversation since there are too many asterisks, like Bonds and Armstrong. I wish Brady nothing good.
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2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
I think, especially if we don't trade up in Round 1, trading up in Round 2 is the way to go. One of Simpson, Sanders, and Campbell will be reachable from 59 without having to give up too much. Will probably be a lot easier to trade up in this Draft than it will be to trade down.
Interesting point. I think a trade up would need to be with 2024 pick(s).
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2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:
I hated the EJ pick but talked myself into it.
I was pumped up when we drafted Shaq Lawson and Raggie Ragland.
Trading up for Reggie Ragland was extremely disappointing. F Rex Ryan!
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4 hours ago, TC in St. Louis said:
I'll wait on Bernard. When he got on the field, it was due to injury and he wasn't ready. They chose him to develop over time, and it's time now to see him develop. Maybe he'll put on 15 pounds and get taller and become a beast.
Biggest surprise for me was probably Whitner. I freaked out. I remember thinking they had the USC QB in their hands, and they surely could've traded down.
Nobody really knows how players will turn out. Read the pre-draft analysis on just about anybody and you might think he's gonna be great.
I'll wait on Bernard. When he got on the field, it was due to injury and he wasn't ready. They chose him to develop over time, and it's time now to see him develop. Maybe he'll put on 15 pounds and get taller and become a beast.
Biggest surprise for me was probably Whitner. I freaked out. I remember thinking they had the USC QB in their hands, and they surely could've traded down.
Nobody really knows how players will turn out. Read the pre-draft analysis on just about anybody and you might think he's gonna be great.
I'll wait on Bernard. When he got on the field, it was due to injury and he wasn't ready. They chose him to develop over time, and it's time now to see him develop. Maybe he'll put on 15 pounds and get taller and become a beast.
Biggest surprise for me was probably Whitner. I freaked out. I remember thinking they had the USC QB in their hands, and they surely could've traded down.
Nobody really knows how players will turn out. Read the pre-draft analysis on just about anybody and you might think he's gonna be great.
Sorry, could not resist....
Nobody really knows how players will turn out. Read the pre-draft analysis on just about anybody and you might think he's gonna be great.
I'll wait on Bernard. When he got on the field, it was due to injury and he wasn't ready. They chose him to develop over time, and it's time now to see him develop. Maybe he'll put on 15 pounds and get taller and become a beast.
Biggest surprise for me was probably Whitner. I freaked out. I remember thinking they had the USC QB in their hands, and they surely could've traded down.
Nobody really knows how players will turn out. Read the pre-draft analysis on just about anybody and you might think he's gonna be great.
I'll wait on Bernard. When he got on the field, it was due to injury and he wasn't ready. They chose him to develop over time, and it's time now to see him develop. Maybe he'll put on 15 pounds and get taller and become a beast.
Biggest surprise for me was probably Whitner. I freaked out. I remember thinking they had the USC QB in their hands, and they surely could've traded down.
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10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Easily Whitner over Ngata. Never saw that coming and was stunned when they didn’t call Ngata’s name.
100% agree! I was doing quite a bit of Draft research those years. My friend and I who also is a huge Bills fan and was doing research at the time......we thought "you gotta Ngata" and then he was there when we picked. Whitner's name was called, we looked at each other and said who? Safety never seemed like a round 1 pick to us, so, we never looked at Safeties. And, we had ZERO idea who he was and got onto the Google machine immediately.
10 hours ago, Beck Water said:I would have to say TJ Graham in the 2012 3rd round.
Russ Wilson was on the board and there had been murmurs about "can't measure the heart of a player" that Nix liked him.
It was evident at that point that the Bills really needed to draft and develop a QB. Kirk Cousins was also on the board. A 3rd round pick would be a totally reasonable investment in a guy who could learn behind Fitzpatrick.
So the Bills traded up and my pulse accelerated and I was thinking "they're gonna draft Wilson!"...."TJ WHO?"
The Bills got 31 games and 54 receptions out of Graham in 2 seasons.
In the same 2 seasons, Russ Wilson lead the Seahawks to the Divisional Round and won a Superbowl.
Then in 2013, one of the worst QB classes ever, the Bills drafted EJ Manuel.
This was probably my 2nd WTF after Whitner.
9 hours ago, 947 said:Maybin
I knew he was a bust in waiting, like everyone else. I didn't think anyone would take him in round 1, let alone us.
This is probably 3rd on my list after Whitner, then TJ Graham. Actually, will move it up on my list since it is a top of the 1st round pick.
Whitner
Maybin
Graham
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1 minute ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:
We averaged more ypg this past season than any other year with Allen at QB, beating 2020 by 1 ypg. But in 2020 we averaged ~3 points more per game. What we need is to limit redzone turnovers.
Agreed AND less 3 and outs. I didn’t say anything about yards. I said move the ball more consistently.
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4 hours ago, Mark Long Beach said:
There's not much quality difference between the top 4 or 5 teams. You need to be good enough to get in the mix and then lucky enough to have some things go your way.
Health is the biggest factor IMO and we lost Von Miller, Daquan Johnson (a great year for us) and our secondary was devastated. We were playing Jaquan Johnson the Terrible (if it's not his name it should be), Not-On-Our-Team Dean Marlow, and Practice Squad Cam Lewis. Their offense controlled the game while ours couldn't step up that game.
Sure our team has some flaws. Our OL was shockingly bad with Saffold and Brown getting regularly beat like a red-headed stepchild. Our WRs and DEs under-performed. Our backup safeties weren't as good as expected. (Jaquan Johnson the Terrible I'm especially looking at you)
We are good enough. Our record shows that we're good enough. Let's fix our weaknesses (OL please!) as best we can and kick their asses next year.
Agreed with all that AND the offense needs to move the ball more consistently.
3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:Shaq is interesting to me. It’s rare to see a guy go from overrated, to underrated to properly rated. Shaq ia a quality football player. He does everything pretty well. When the Bills drafted him we all wanted more. He became a good edge setter and a smart player. Now, he’s in the role where he belongs. He’s a good, rotational DE, with a high floor. Good signing
Totally agree with all of that, well said!
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10 hours ago, SCBills said:
I’m excited about Bernard, Dodson and Spector competing if the alternative is drafting a LB at 27.Seriously, I think I am too. Not sure what I want. But, know I want offense in an offense driven league.
9 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:Exactly. All the time people wanted Beane to invest in the offense but it doesn't come without consequences. For me, if it means that we get much weaker at MLB so be it.
I’m on board with that too
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10 hours ago, Success said:
Nah; I don't think the bolded is going to happen.
Changing DC was the biggest move we could make. The players, for the most part, are not the issue. We have a lot of talent on our defense.
- new DC
- JA17 with no elbow problems and humming along
- Dorsey 2nd year
- improved OLine
- more Avon Miller
- Micah Hyde and Poyer healthier
- better situational coaching in big games too please
All these little things will help. Hopefully a lot!
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11 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:
Cool, like him a lot, great news.
Unrelated here, but our punter was only on a one year deal, right?
Anything on him?
Sorry, I have been out of the loop.
Bills resigned him before free agency or just as it started.
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On 4/4/2023 at 10:53 AM, Beck Water said:
Last year the league minimum for a player with 6 credited seasons was $1.035M
Last year Shaq Lawson's contract with the Bills was for $1.035M with a $152k signing bonus
And in fact, he only counted $1.047 against the Bills cap instead of $1.187M (salary plus bonus) a situation called "Vet Salary Benefit" where teams sign a vet but he only counts what a 2nd year player would count against their cap.
So I'm not sure what's "idiotic" about thinking Lawson is a league minimum player, when in fact, last season, that's what he was.
I think part of the question is to what extent Lawson is, indeed, a "good soldier"
When a team makes a guy a substantial FA signing, then trades him out the door a year later, that's typically not the sign of a good soldier.
Then when the trade partner trades him off for a late round pick before the season, that's also a sign something's amiss
Then when the 3rd team cuts him just before the end of the season - That's a kick in the pants saying we'd rather elevate a PS guy then keep you in the building.
He seems to do well on the Bills though.
He's not the dominating player we hoped for when Rex drafted him in the 1st round in 2016, but he has football talent.
A good fit for Shaq Lawson and a good fit for the Bills, win, win.
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On 4/7/2023 at 8:33 PM, AuntieEm said:
Bet they found some video from a security camera near where this incident occurred so they didn't need the victim to cooperate.
Hmmmm
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10 hours ago, HOUSE said:
It's never a good Idea to set conditions when there is little to no interest anyway.
His agent needs to sit him down and have a long chat about reality ..
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He should hire Lamar Jackson as his agent! Heck, back up Lamar and they both can’t get a job this year!
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5 hours ago, Bigvinny said:
Jason Peters was drafted as a Tight End.
Maybe undrafted TE?
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4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Agree with almost all of this, except I don't think they should rush to extend Daquan. He was excellent for us last year but he will be 32 by the time he hits FA after next season, and he didn't have a huge market when he was 30 so I think they are right to take their time and let it play out with him. If they want him back after 2023 I am sure they will be able to make it happen. But they should be conscious "the wall" can't be super far away for him.
Gunner...interesting take! I a big fan of almost all of your opinions. I never thought on Daquan this way and you are intriguing me. Good call. Worst case, not much down side to not extended Daquan. Worst case we pay slightly more than we would now, but, could save money next year as well.
26 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:Yes he hurt his hamstring running earlier in the season. He hurt his shoulder with a goofy diving lunge at Mac Jones later in the season. But it's easy to get them mixed up because at this stage he is probably always going to be in the process of getting injured. What has never changed is that Phillips IQ drops a good 50 points when he steps on the field. If that weren't the case he'd have been a star.
Funny, but, possibly true
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8 hours ago, HenryJones said:
I would rather they extend Daquan and Taron, before restructuring Dion or Tre. I know they have options to free money up, but think they are overpaying for what Jordan Phillips is and brings to them. Based on the last 3 years, he’ll get them about half a season and a sack per million. I hope I’m wrong and he has 9.5 sacks this year, but I’m skeptical of that happening. I wonder if anyone else was offering him $3m+. It sounds like they may have offered Shaq near the vet min, from some twitter noise I had seen. I’d be disappointed, if I were him. He was much more valuable to us last season than 97.
I LOVE extended Daquan. I would think he wants a big pay day or we would have done it. OR they agreed on it and are close and waiting for the right time to finalize it.
Jordan Phillips is good when healthy and think he can be healthier than in the past. He is a playmaker and disruptive on the field. I am confident his pay is based on performance and/or playing time.
I agree I would prefer to pay Shaq over JP. I like them both and want them both on the team though.
I am fine restructuring Dion if we need the money. Not comfortable with Tre and was not comfortable with Diggs either.
Go Bills!
Which NFL player did you think was going to be good but turned out to be a bust?
in The Stadium Wall
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True dat!
I used to follow the draft more. James Hardy...I would have been fine taking him in the first, then we got him in the 2nd and I thought we won the lottery! I have his jersey. Then he opened up gun fire and killed his father, then he died. Sorry if this sounds superficial, but, he was a bust.