Protocal69
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Well I heard Willie Mcginest say a couple of weeks ago that availability is more important than ability.
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I'll give Foles a lot of credit for what he did this year, but comparing him to Manuel is ridiculous. Foles was in his second full season in the NFL, playing behind a much better offensive line, against a far weaker defensive schedule - only 3 of 16 teams on their schedule ranked in the top 20 in YPP compared to 14 of 16 for the Bills (with 11 in the top 15 and 7 in the top ten), and Manuel missed half the preseason and five weeks of the regular season. Comparing Foles' production last year to Manuel would be more appropriate.
That math doesn't add up to me:
32 teams total in lge - 20 in top 20 = 12 teams available
3 of 16= 13 teams played not in top 20
Impossible to have played 13 teams out of the top 20 where 12 teams are the max that could be out of the top 20
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How exactly is it unreal? You can play the hindsight game with every team for every draft.
This was not a hindsight mistake. TY Hilton coming out of college was the s_ _t. I remember Colin Cowherd hyping the guy up before the draft and I turned on some youtube video and dude was tearing it up. Plus having Andrew Luck and playing on the fast track in the dome
doesn't hurt either.
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Some very empty statistical analysis there, and definitely some mis-representation of Jackson. It took him all those years because he was at a D3 school where the NFL does not often go to pluck talent. He is where he is, as a product of hard work and despite the fact that the team has tried to draft improvements over him. Now, I am a Lynch fan, but there were extenuating circumstances there.
That CJ's average is only .2 ahead of FJ's when he is capable of the video game runs tells you something else. That's a lot of, not even 3 yard gains, but tackles for losses, stuffs at the line, and gains of maybe one or two. The guy could be truly special, but he wasn't, this year. Whether that's a product of a really rough injury for a RB -- I'll give him the BOD. But I do think people are fair in their assessments when they look at FJ, see him make all of his blocks and never give up on a play, and when they see CJ protecting himself.
You can't blame either one of them, but I do know which one I'd pick first for my team. New England has built a reputation picking up guys like Fred Jackson. You can ride a guy like CJ Spiller to the playoffs if your blocking is strong, your QB play is adequate, and if the guy stays healthy.
That's a lot of "ifs."
With CJ Spiller you are going to sometime live with a couple of negative runs in exchange for some explosive runs.
With the season now over CJ has run for more yards than Fred Jackson. That is a fact. Cj was hurt the majority of year but gutted out. He could have easily sat. So how is he protecting himself Also how is it CJ fault that the blocking is not strong and the QB play was better.
Fred Jackson is the more physical back between the 2 and when you have 8 men the box of course he will look better
No one is questioning Fred place on the team but for most people if CJ is not running for 10 yards everytime he touches the ball they have a problem with him "reading the hole" Plus lets not pretend Fred Jackson never runs for 1, 2 or 0 yards. He does as well
Like I stated when he does people can live with it. If I was CJ especially with the unappreciative fan base I would run to get the hell of here.
Last but not least in the NFL if you have talent the NFL will find you anywhere even bagging grocery like Kurt Warner so dont give me that "because he went to Coe college bullcrap. Why did he go to Coe College right out of college as opposed to D1 school.
I'll give my answer. Because it took time for him to lean his craft just like CJ but unlike Fred CJ talent took him right to a D1 program where he had some of the most electricfying plays in college while he was there and a top 10 pick in the NFL.
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funny thought after reading this post. Asking everyone -
When we picture that play who are the guys we would say "yeah, he'd drop that?". It was your football player comment that got me thing.
Jackson, Sj13 and maybe Chandler make that catch
I can't see Spiller making it, nor Lee Smith.
Not sure Woods could have, I think Goodwin could have if he wasn't running full speed.
Yeah just like to 2 passes F. Jackson dropped yesterday. I get sick of all this Spiller bashing. Dude is a baller who gutted it out
all year on a high ankle sprain who lead his team in rushing. I like Fred Jackson just like every else but people on these sites
act like he cant do any wrong. Like I stated on another fourm site Cj Spiller is a victim of his own success.
Before yesterday where CJ ran for over a 100 yards:
They have split the carries almost equally:
Spiller: Att: 182 yards: 822 avg: 4.5 rec: 28 yards: 157
Jackson: Att: 193 yards: 836 avg: 4.3 rec 44 yards: 334
When Fred runs for 3 yards its " oh what a great hard run"
When CJ runs for 3 yards its "oh he didnt hit the hole hard enough"
They even almost make the same amount of money:
CJ makes about 5 mil per year
Fred makes 4.35 mil per year
CJ spiller is 26 years old
Fred is 32 years old
IF Fred was always this good he wouldnt have taken him all those years for him to make it in the league in the first place
Enjoy them both while they are here and stop all of the negative comparisons
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Ya know how we always say we picked this guy and the next pick was Gronk, etc for example? Well we picked Kiko 8 spots after Mante Teo. How do you think SD fans feel.
We'll here you go
If you were the Bills would you trade for Eli Manning
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I would in a heart beat. Manning is learning a new offense. Has thrown for over 4,000 numerous times in his career and it a 2 time Superbowl champ. Is funny that people are mocking this topic, but if the poster asked if they would trade EJ for Brady straight up then most people would do that in a heat beat.
As much as I currently support E.J Manual I would not pass up a chance to get Eli. He just passed Jim Kelly for career touchdowns thrown and Eli is only 33 years old and also in his 11th year which is the same amount of time Jim Kelly played for the Bills. Plus he is durable with him owning the 3rd longest consecutive starts by a QB currently at 154 and counting.
And yes if it took Cj Spiller who is in the last year of his contract who I love as player and person to pull it off then so be it.
Will all this being said that the chance of this trade happening is less than me hitting the lottery.
At this point I would trade EJ Manuel for Ryan Nassib straight up!