MarlinTheMagician
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3 hours ago, Spiderweb said:
With the rain, snow and wind, hard to fault Allen on that one (not to mention elbow and shoulder issues Allen has been playing with). Now McKenzie's issue (bad hands) is another subject... Here's to hoping Beasley and Brown add some positive spark to the offense.
Not blaming my boy Josh - extenuating circumstances - just pointing out the objective fact that Smoke beat his man clean and if the ball is there it is an easy six.
3 hours ago, Trock said:In hindsight Bease was right. What are you forgiving him for? You should be apologizing.
You misunderstood my point, and have the need to apologize backwards - I am saying, personally, sounds to me like Beasely knows he made some bad choices and he has taken ownership of them. So, as far as my being able to root for him, Beasely has a clean slate with me! Was not saying anything about Beane - he did make the right choice at the time, no doubt. I did not suggest he didn't.
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I am excited to have Bease back, all is forgiven. I think he will help.
I have always respected the smoothness of John Brown's game and his professional approach. This popped up -- 2020-21 (playoffs) highlights -- and it reminds me he was pretty darn productive not that long ago. I am aware of the drop-off and the layoff and the risk he lost it all at once. On the other hand, I think it is just as plausible he was nicked in his last year here, couldn't find a good fit last year, but is now healthy and could meaningfully contribute. There is cause for optimism - he had three yards of separation on Bills second possession vs Jets vs a fine corner and Josh underthrew him. Should have been an easy TD, but the underthrow allowed a goal line break-up. Thought you might enjoy.
John Brown Highlights 2020-2021 NFL Season: “Back to Buffalo!!” - YouTube (Not sure how this will hotlink it, but if doesn't you can cut and paste).
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I was there twice with my Dad. Vs. Raiders in 67 and Pats in 70. Barely remember 67, but I don't think I was ever as wet and cold as during that Pats game. James Harris replaced Shaw and almost brought us back. Joe Kapp on the other side. I was a big Haven Moses fan.
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12 hours ago, Starr Almighty said:
Welp there goes my dream of them having Rosen,Baker and Sam on the roster all together
Could have them all on a USFL roster in the not-too distant future. I am still mad at Rosen - for being wanted by some on this board ahead of Allen! Can't ever forgive him.
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10 hours ago, Beck Water said:
I'm sure he did come back too early from the ankle, but it had nothing to do with losing Crowder and McKenzie. They were both available when he came back, as was Kumerow.
Davis came back for 96% of the snaps in Game 3, vs Miami, and played 98% of the snaps in Game 4.
It was in Game 4 (with Gabe Davis already playing) that Crowder broke his leg and McKenzie went out with a concussion.
Davis had a "breakout game" in game 5 vs Pitts, for 3 catches and 171 yds (also 1 INT while targeting him). He had a good game, 3 catches for 74 yds, against KC the next week.
His timeline doesn't fit your theory, nor has he been on injury report since Week 5, when he was "FP" all week with no game status.A lot of players come up limping after plays. Poyer was gimping after one play vs. NE. I'm sure a lot of players are playing hampered, where they've gone off the injury report but they're still being bothered by and getting treatment for an injury.
This is now the 2nd year where Davis has injured his ankle early in the season, gone on and come off the injury report, but is said to be affected by the injury for weeks afterwards. That may be true, but if he's going to injure the same ankle and be hampered to the point where he can't run crisp routes or hang on to contested catches for 2/3 of the season, two seasons in a row, he may not be a reliable WR #2 for a contending team. I love the guy so I hate to say that, but it's true.
I'm not in favor of the TBD fashion for scapegoating a player and for whipping boys.
I'm also not in favor of excuse making for players - especially as you do above here, where you re-write the timeline to suit your idea.
Here's the thing: we watch other contenting (and even non-contending) teams where multiple WR bring in the contested catches. Yes, it's unreal athleticism, but sometimes in a crunch, it can swing a close game. We need more than 1 guy who can haul in a contested catch reliably.
Neither of us see how they're practicing that, but Josh has had several interceptions targeting Davis where Davis had separation, but after Josh threw, the DB gained position on him and jumped the route. So I think that's where Josh has to throw it so it's "Gabe's ball or no one's ball", and it's "on" Davis to get where the ball has to be placed to avoid the pick.
And yes, it's an expectation of a quality NFL WR to run quality routes and not round them off. It's not as though only the top 5 or 10 WR in the league can run crisp routes. It may well be that Davis still can't cut sharply because of his ankle - see above then.
Yes, his TD catch was great. Great "mind meld" with Josh.All fair points, and it seems Khan may have got some of the timeline wrong (I didn't remember it as exactly as you set it out either), but that does not change what I suspect are the core facts: (i) Davis is hurt, at least to a degree that affects his cuts and ability to separate on short and intermediate routes, (ii) if true, he is being a team guy, toughing it out and doing his best to help the team, (iii) while he ain't been too bad, I think that we have seen he can do more, and (iv) it is reasonable to hope that he might after some much-needed time off.
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22 hours ago, KHAN said:
He came back too early from the ankle (IMO) because we lost Crowder and McKenzie at the same time. So he gutted it out, and has been healthy enough to be the best option. But I've definitely seen him limping at times after plays. He has dropped balls he should have caught this year. But he's also become the whipping boy here for a few contested catches where the DB's made good plays as well.
I've even seen him blamed for the end zone play last week because "Diggs ran it better" LOL 😂
No **** Sherlock. He's Diggs.
He had separation, and Josh threw it out of bounds. His touchdown catch was great!
If Brown has anything left in the tank, Davis may get a good look as WR3 where he could really get a favorable match up.
I think he came back early to help the team too. So while I notice less sharpness out of his breaks and less separation, I think we should credit that he is a gamer and a team guy, and hope that he can play at an even higher level as he (hopefully) heals during this mini-bye and beyond. The KC clip posted earlier of him breaking the ankle of Chiefs DB Hughes was a great example of what he can do. He is also a ferocious competitor, a nasty blocker for a WR. So I am thinking that while Gabe has been good, he has the potential to be much better - which would be a huge boost for Diggs and Allen. Go Bills!!
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35 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:
To be honest, I probably didn't pay too much attention to Gabe's route running his first two years, but watching him this season, it just doesn't look very precise - everything looks very slow and "rounded.". I assumed it was lingering issues with the high ankle sprain, but maybe he's always been this guy? If that's the case, we definitely need another no. 2 type.
This. This is exactly what I am seeing, slow and "rounded." But that was not at all the case last year. Gabe takes a lot of pride in his routes, and he works at his craft. No one is Diggs in route running, but Gabe is normally quite good. Right now, I am not seeing that - I am seeing slow and rounded. High ankle? Did not know it was a "high" ankle sprain. Usually several weeks - what did Gabe miss, one week? I feel it is very, very likely he is toughing it out, and I hope he gets right for the stretch. Catch % this year notwithstanding, Gabe has great hands. When your dinged, it can lead to things like a decreased catch %. Hoping for more, and I believe Davis can and will offer it if healthy.
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1 minute ago, Big Turk said:
I think he does as well. There is something about growing into a role also and having to learn how to adjust as defenses paly you differently also. I think he will be fine and likely take another step forward next year, assuming the Bills resign him.
Agree. And I am hoping that just maybe, with 10 days rest, he can give us a little more down the stretch. Would be big for the offense.
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1 minute ago, HappyDays said:
Davis has never been a separator. He's at his best just running vertically and taking advantage of holes in the defense that come from the attention they pay to the rest of the offense. That was his role here for two years and it worked brilliantly. Ideally he'd be a #3 WR, not a full time #2. They decided to give him his opportunity after his monster game against the Chiefs but unfortunately he hasn't risen to the occasion. That's why OBJ is currently in WNY. Beane recognizes that Davis can't handle the increased role he's been giving.
Respectfully disagree. He is very good at gaining separation on out-breaking routes, in-cuts too. Normally. I will never forget his sideline grabs vs. Colts in playoffs.
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4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
Valid points. I mean Davis is squarely in the 20th-40th range in terms of most WR stats this year and is on pace for 942 yards and 8-9 TDs.
If there are 32 #1 WRs statistically, #2 WRs would fall between 33-64 logically. He is well within that range. If peopel are disappointed in him, it largely is because they had unrealistic expectations to begin with.
Yours are valid too, but I am a Davis believer. I think if he was in his best form, and Allen was too (no elbow ding), 15-25 type ranking is possible for Gabe, even with Diggs as a clear #1. Maybe I am too optimistic, but I have felt Gabe has the ability to be a 1 or 1A type, and he has not quite been at that level this year. Having seen him play at that level a lot raised my suspicion on the ankle ahead of thinking "he is just a 2, but a pretty good two." I think he has more, not that anyone is asking my opinion.
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5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
All Hamlin had to do is make the tackle instead of running into a blocker in an almost comical way.
Should have been at best a 2-3 yard gain.
He has been much much better than he was in his first few games in terms of positioning and making plays when he is in space but that was a terrible look.
Players don't always progress in a linear way like they do in Madden Franchise mode. McD is doing what he feels is best for him as a player and as a person most likely. And obviously what he feels is best for the team IN THIS PARTICULAR GAME.
Bills probably do more week to week matchup stuff in regards to who is inactive(when fully healthy) than any team in the NFL except maybe NE.
People are reading way, way too much into this. It will have zero effect on how good Elam will become two or three years from now.
Agree, that was kind of my point. I think short-term decision that has zero reflection on long-term outcome.
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1 minute ago, Big Turk said:
I dunno...he looked pretty good in the Steeler game.
He sure did, but that was straight line deep stuff if I recall, at least the big play that I remember where he took it away from Minka. Very different than making sharp cuts and running precise routes to gain separation short and intermediate, which would stress the ankle more. Say, like Diggs TD route vs. Pats. Gabe is not a blazer, but usually he gains separation with good route running.
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If Elam has hit the wall, or is not tackling well or using some poor technique, giving him two weeks to analyze and work on what he is doing wrong, or just giving him a mental break to get beyond the rookie wall, seems like a great idea. He seems like he is a very hard worker, so I doubt it is a big discipline issue.
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Gabe does not seem to be getting us much separation since the ankle injury. Anybody know anything? Gabe is a gamer, would not surprise me if it is still not right. I think he could have a nice stretch run with this mini-bye to get healthy. We need him to relieve more pressure from Diggs, IMHO.
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I played some safety in high school, back when they invented fire (full-time corner). You live for a shot like that - nail the receiver, save the touchdown. I did not have a problem with Hamlin's hit. Looked to me like he led with his shoulder, and Myers dipped his head at the moment of contact. If you can't light up the receiver to knock the ball out anymore, without head-hunting or going for the knees, I don't like the rule. I thought it was a clean play, and a great one, but I was not surprised at all that they threw the flag. Glad he stopped the touchdown anyhow! I thought Hamlin looked pretty good vs. Pats.
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7 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:
BS. Who is advocating "overpaying" Edmunds or any other player? Explain to us what Edmunds is worth. I think it's Matt Milano money if not 10% more.
He is worth to us 1% more than the next-highest bidder, which is why I hope he wants to be here! If he wants to be here, he will take a "fair deal" -- need not even be "team friendly", just not a gross overpay (please). Take care of your own.
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One other thing about Tremaine. He is a great teammate, smart and articulate,and a process guy. See his post-game from yesterday, takes no credit for himself, generous in his praise of his teammates, and says all they have to do to move forward is keep trusting the process. Admires Tre White for his work ethic, and from what I have heard, Edmunds brings the same ethic as White every day.
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The other thing I think people fail to appreciate. Milano and Edmunds function as a unit. One without the other is like one hand clapping. Together they bring incredible speed and coverage to the inside that pushes everything to the edges. And when one of those edges is locked down by Tre White, and the deep middle is locked down by Poyer and Hyde, it is really tough to throw on the Bills. Our problem the last three years has been the run, but that has been mainly due too poor tackle play from people like Star. They took the dead cap hit on him for a reason. With DaQuan and Settle and Phillips and Groot, when we are healthy we are really tough to run on now. And if our secondary was healthy we would, IMHO, be the league's #1 defense. That starts with two pairs - Edmunds and Milano, and Poyer and Hyde.
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See my post "Tremaine Must Remain" from October 4. Majority responded positively, but you can identify the haters (who seem a bit abashed today).
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I feel like the people that are anti-Edmunds overlap to a large degree with the folks that wanted to draft Josh Rosen. They always know better than the Bills.
And I HATE the posters that pigeon-hole Edmunds as a player only of "immense physical gifts." Dude is a worker, He shows up, balls out and runs the defense. He is so much more than just a physical specimen. He is a steady, constant force dominating the middle of the field. Agree with the poster who said we win that Jets game in a walk with him on the field. Minnesota too for that matter. We will not let him go to another team if it is our choice, my only fear is that he may want out of Buffalo for some reason. Hopefully he never looks at this board and feels appreciated in Buffalo.
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Edmunds is a great linebacker. Great. Perfect for the modern NFL, though he is different than the old school Butkus, Nitschke, Lambert bloody-nosed run stuffer. But it is a passing league first, and in that realm Edmunds is the best middle-backer in the league. For that matter, I can't think of one better against the pass in any era. And he was plenty stout against the run last night too. Been saying all year: Must sign this guy (and we will). Been getting flamed for it all year too.
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He was fantastic. What a difference with Groot, Edmunds and Tre White. Groot is a star, and he is going to be a superstar.
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Could not possibly agree with EBall more. McDermott and Beane are the indispensable keys to the Bills resurgence and strong current performance, more important than any one player (and have such great respect for Allen it takes a lot for me to say that). Best GM/coach combo in the league for my money. They both need to be appreciated, and God forbid we ever lose either. I want them here a decade plus!
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Brown - Productive Fairly Recently
in The Stadium Wall
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Agree with the sentiment, but it was Reed, not Sauce.
2020 is not exactly 2015, yeah, less than 2 years is pretty recent. No reason to believe his body has necessarily imploded in roughly two years with no hits.