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10 hours ago, zow2 said:
I hope Coleman can remain the happy-go-lucky guy throughout his career.
It's not too long ago when Tre White showed up with his big fun personality. Then he got injured, and his fun side got injured as well. I'm not saying it wouldn't have destroyed me either, but Tre was never the same after the first injury. He rarely did media stuff after that. Mentally it must've been hell.
Miss Tre' a lot - and have since the ACL save three games last year. Hope he comes back and kills it for LA, and works his way back to Buffalo to finish up at the end, sound and healthy.
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6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Agree to disagree I guess
I don’t think that he’s very good. He won a lot on a team that almost broke the record for most drafted players in a single draft. They had 13 guys selected (UGA has the record at 15). The team was loaded. They won with him WAY more than because of him. In the right situation, maybe he becomes an effective game manager (like Brock Purdy). Personally, I think that he was overdrafted as an over correction to Purdy falling to last.
All good here. Entirely reasonable for two fans to see a player differently. Go Bills!
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11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Zay Jones is a meager career 10 yards per reception possession receiver who lead NFL WR in drop % rate(10.7%) in 2022 and has a career 57% catch rate. That's the kind of catch rate you expect from someone with about 50% more yards per reception.
Drop-zone Jones is the very definition of "Juiceless and Useless".
You got your opinion I got mine - except you got no vision bro. Just a bowl of vitriol, a cup of vinegar where there should be sweetness, negativity that. drips. That ain't got no swag at all. You a one trick pony - and the trick is to pee on all the other ponies.
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Would not hate getting Zay back at all. He is a professional wideout. I don't know if he fits the "process" - if Beane/McDermott concludes he does he would be a nice add, IMHO. I don't really hold the hotel dash against him - he was obviously going through some sh**. If he has his head right, he could be interesting add of a vet presence.
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1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I was hoping that the Jets would take him just like it was a good thing when the Pats took Mac or the Jets took Zach Wilson. You’re at least going to give him 2-3 seasons of failure before moving on. Tyrod is a very good backup and with that Jets roster will be at least .500 if he has to play 6 games. McCarthy, imo, could have been 1-5.
He’s AJ McCarron
Nah man, you don't want him on the Jets. He can win if he has a top D. Be happy bruh.
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Coleman going to be all that! I would not bet my house, but I would bet a lot.
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He ain't like Mac Jones. Couldn't be much different. Jones has a noodle. McCarthy does not. And whether or not he is good, McCarthy got the dog in him, ex-hockey playing with a bit of nasty. Mac Jones = tennis player.
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13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
This isn’t shocking. McCarthy isn’t very good. He was the guy, this year, that everyone used as the smokescreen. He was the guy that people kept hearing “would go higher than expected” and “possibly top 3.” In the end he was the 5th QB drafted.
People believed that the Pats might take him at 3 and that the Vikings, Giants and even Chargers, might trade up for him. In the end the Vikings offered 3 firsts for Maye over just taking McCarthy. The Patriots turned down 3 firsts and just took Maye. The Charger (wisely) stayed put, selected Alt, and kept Herbert. The Giants took the stud receiver. The Vikings waited and eventually got McCarthy. I wonder though if they would have actually taken Penix instead had he been there at 11?
Maybe you're right, but I think he is good. No one really knows. But I remain glad the Jets didn't take him! When Rogers breaks they can roll with Tyrod instead of McCarthy. I'll take that!
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I don't dislike RGIII at all. Seems like a good dude. But I thought it was so funny that RGIII was trying to bond with Coleman over being from Louisiana and Coleman was not having it. "Nah, you got all that French stuff - we a little more country out in Appaloosa, but we got some stuff too,." RGIII: I'll show you, you can get the best Poh Boy at a gas station. Coleman: Nah, our gas station got two pumps." 🤣
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11 hours ago, NORWOODS FOOT said:
I’m a big Ohio State fan so I had my eye on McCarthy all year. He has good character and athleticism.Do you feel that he has the arm talent to make it in the NFL? Maybe he just didn’t get to throw it enough in that offense, but I just don’t see the evidence of an NFL caliber passer. Especially when compared with some of the other top guys.
What do I know really, but the reviews I have read say he has a very powerful arm. That was on display in the games I watched. The criticism I read is that he throws everything hard, and sometimes lacks the desired touch.
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3 hours ago, NORWOODS FOOT said:
Yeah, most surprising to me is McCarthy. I like him. Seems like a good dude with tenacity. But nothing that I saw at Michigan screamed franchise QB to me other than his grit. I have a hard time seeing his ceiling as anything higher than “game manager with occasional flashes”. Maybe O’Connell can scheme up ways to help him over achieve.
I have no take on Maye. Never really watched him.
Jets should have went hard for McCarthy. He was there for them. Instead they took a tackle to keep the Rogers dream alive. But McCarthy is probably good enough right now to win behind that defense. I watched him a lot at Michigan because I had a daughter there. Jets would have been like Michigan all over - very strong defense, do enough on offense to not screw it up and maybe even make some plays. Glad they took the tackle.
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All this sturm and drang over a pick that Beane, Josh Allen and our scouts were obviously comfortable with from a bunch of arm-chair experts is exhausting. Give the man a chance. For me, he is the best wide-receiver drafted until he gives me reason to give up the dream. By definition, he has not yet done so.
Let's go baby 20-0!
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7 hours ago, fergie's ire said:
I don't know the drill...and don't really watch combine stuff. However, I think I understand what the poster's concern is about not jogging and running out of bounds. It would be the equivalent to timing baseball players to see how fast they could steal second. They would be clocked from 1st to 2nd. Most would slide or slow up before getting to second so they don't go past the bag. If one player just ran full out and blew by the bag, he would have the fastest time, but he did the drill wrong. It's supposed to simulate stealing a base and if you just run past it, you'd be out in a game. The poster is saying that in the drill Coleman ran the point is to not go out of bounds (so players slow up to prevent from doing so) but by Coleman blowing past the sidelines he gets a faster time but does not accomplish the goal of the drill.
What you say about baseball is true in your baseball example. But it is not analogous or instructive here. If Coleman's gauntlet time was aided by the fact that he mistakenly went out of bounds, they would have thrown out the time and made him do it over. Like a false start in the 40 yard dash. Going out of bounds did not help his Gauntlet time. And the original poster did not suggest that it did - he was just deriding Coleman for making a mistake. The time he ran is his time. The mistake was perhaps a dumb mistake, but it didn't, couldn't, aid his time. They would never allow him to compare favorably to other prospects based on an inadvertent "cheat" like running full speed past second base even if it was an ineffective baseball move (because the runner would be out at second). They posted the combine time that Coleman earned, and that happened to be the fastest. There is no way around that.
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Man, I have come full circle on this pick. Just watched the full interview the poster put up earlier. That kind of easy confidence from a 20 year-old strongly suggests to me he is going to be a star. Confidence like that comes from past performance and knowing what you can do. Focused, but not a care in the world. I think he is going to be a great pro, putting my stake in the ground today. And I hated the pick - maybe I was right then and wrong now, but I think he is a star in the league.
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7 minutes ago, Cray51 said:
The overhead of that video potentially showed a reason why Franklin dropped to the 4th round. He was zig zagging all over the place
I think he also ran last in that or another drill.
I love our Hardy pick - my daughter goes to Penn State so I watched him a lot. He runs a 4.38, I believe. Hits like a truck too. But I don't think the 5'9" Hardy would enjoy covering Coleman. Different courses for different horses -- seems people don't accept that.
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3 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:
Keenan Allen ran a 4.71? Gross.
Wow. Didn't know that. Thanks for posting!
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3 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:
Guys are focused on catching the ball, not running fast. Coleman ran so fast he was out of bounds by the last ball.
Don't be such a grumpy old man.
Bills still need a boundary WR (or two) and maybe a new GM/HC
This is a self-defeating argument my man. Guys that slow down to catch the ball are not as fast as their 40 time where the ain't gotta catch no nothing. Poster was not being a grumpy old man. As a grumpy old man I take some offense to that!
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1 minute ago, bills742 said:
Other than Nacua, I'm curious what history says about gauntlet speed and NFL success.
Cooper Kupp
1 hour ago, MarlinTheMagician said:I am sure most of you know he also ran the second fastest time in the "Gauntlet" at the combine, which many say simulates game speed better than the 40-yard dash. They are supposed to run it straight across the yardline. Many can't. Coleman's straight as an arrow, and his receiving form looks A+ to me. The video is worth a 10 second watch.
Correction of my self - THE fastest gauntlet time in two years. Second fastest go route. No one jogs in the gauntlet - speed is a core point of the drill.
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3 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:
Interestingly, two of those fastest 40 guys are currently on our roster with one projected to start, one of them recently started for us, and two remain FAs today.Exactly. See my immediately prior post. Samuel is juxtaposed with Coleman in our scheme. We have a true speedster there, and Shakir is a 4.4 player. Adding Coleman allows us to not be bullied by press corners in the playoffs (something that consistently happened to Diggs). As corners get smaller to keep up with the speed of guys like Worthy, Coleman becomes more valuable -- in general and to us in particular. We didn't have that big, physical wideout before.
1 minute ago, davspo said:I must say that I initially did not like this pick. I had watched some YouTube film on him and didn't see him as being able to separate, which to me is that top skill a receiver needs. Josh is not the best at ball placement, so separation is even more important. I have watched every combine over the last 10 years. Cooper Kupp was by far the best gauntlet runner I've ever seen and he worked out pretty well. I went back and looked at Coleman's two gauntlet runs and they were very impressive. I then watched a bit more film and saw more separation then was displayed in the original film I watched. I also saw him run receiver screens very efficiently, something that the Bill currently lack. Bottom line is he's young dude with all the measurements and more skills that translate to football going his way than a 40 time. Time will tell, but I think Bean and company have earned the benefit of the doubt. If you look at the starters on this current rooster, all but 5 are draft picks and they have the second highest win rate in the NFL over the last 2 years. You can be pissed, but they are getting results.
Same here, I was so bummed when we took Coleman. A cooling off period and rational examination of facts and video has made me more than happy to give the young man a chance with an open mind and a hopeful heart! Go Keon!
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40 yard dash time is no more directly related to success than other combine stats, and many state that it does not correlate as well as things like route speed. It is undeniable. (see NextGen stats), that the trend is towards smaller, lighter and thus faster receivers. This is proven. The natural response to that is smaller, lighter faster DBs. IMHO, it is very smart to run counter-trend at those smaller DBs. Having a big, bullying WR in the arsenal to swat the nats away. It is illogical to call Coleman "slow" without considering his weight. From NextGen:
When analyzing speed, it is also crucial to factor in weight. In addition to being the fastest receiver class, the 2024 crop is the second lightest, averaging 196.1 pounds -- lighter than the 2003 class by over 6 pounds. This is not just a one-year anomaly, either. The last four draft classes have featured the four lightest wide receiver groups since 2003. From 2003 to 2020, 820 wide receivers were invited to the combine. Only 25 of them (3 percent) weighed 175 pounds or less. Over these last four draft classes (including the 2024 group), the percentage of players checking in below that weight threshold has more than doubled, to 8.3 percent, with 15 total receivers weighing in at 175 pounds or less.
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So Coleman didn't just run the fastest gauntlet time this year, he ran the fastest in the last TWO years. The fastest last year - who also had a slow 40 -- was Puka Nakua and Coleman was faster than him. At least Puka didn't jog, and he is not too bad.
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And for those asking about "Group 8" - that may just be a NextGen Stats thing. HIs Gauntlet and "GO" results are from among all wideouts it appears. From the Lions pre-draft fan board:
Keon Coleman, Florida State (6-foot-3 1⁄4, 213 pounds)
The former Michigan State product may have turned some fans away with his 4.61 40-yard dash—the second slowest time of the wide receiver group—but for a team like the Lions that value GPS timing over the 40, Coleman is still likely high atop their wide receiver rankings.
As the NFL Network broadcast brought up several times, NFL Rookie of the Year candidate Puka Nacua (4.57 40-yard dash) ran the fastest time in the “gauntlet drill” last year (20.06 MPH), illustrating how his GPS speed translates more than straight-line speed.
This year, Coleman took home the honor of the fastest gauntlet time (20.36 MPH), the second fastest “go route” time (21.71 MPH)—behind only Thomas—as well as landing in the top four of several other categories Next Gen Stats GPS tracks.
Coleman’s game film points to his route precision needing to be cleaned up, but in on-field drills, you could tell he is working on that part of his game. While going full speed through the routes, Coleman stayed on course and covered ground very quickly. He got low into his breaks and showed explosion getting out of them. His length showed up in his stride and catching radius, and his hands looked very solid on the day as a whole.
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1 minute ago, harmonkillebrew said:exactly. While it's good to see, it just means he was going for it at the combine drills while others were dogging it. I like that competitiveness, but his lack of long speed shows up on his tapes pretty clearly.
Get in to your thick heads people, he's not fast. He will not be running go routes or taking the tops off of defenses. So we will be faced with the same issue as last year, where Defenses collapse on the short stuff. But he could/should excel underneath. He might end up more like Anquan Bolden - thriving underneath and breaking tackles to get 1st downs.
Why in the world would others be "dogging it' at the combine that defines their pay for the next 4-5 years? That rings hollow with me. If they were, I don't want any of those guys.
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16 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:
Not trying to be difficult just responding to the post. These combine links keep getting posted as evidence that he's not slow. I think we need to compare in game speeds and not drills. But all you have to do is watch his film to see that he has defenders on him every play. Maybe the ACC has amazing db's and he will have better luck in the NFL but I highly doubt that
Not trying to be difficult either, but consider that fuller stats being posted (without comment) is a fair response to the relentless insistence that he IS slow based on his 40 - a single data point. He may or may not be "slow" for the position, but relying heavily on the 40 is neither fair nor sound analysis. So if you want to say he is slow you need to rely on game tape. Interpretation of the tape is intensely subjective. Beane says he plays faster than his 40. That is his interpretation. Coleman's size is a factor, as is his flexibility for such size. So the smart play, IMHO, is to give the man a chance and not pre-judge it. And I wanted McConkey. But now I am a hugely behind Coleman until he gives me a reason not to be. He has not done so.
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2025 Compensatory picks
in The Stadium Wall
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Boy, we stand to be so loaded with picks next year. Can even do a Douglas-type deal at the deadline to get some of what we need this if Beane wants with one of our fourth's (I know, NFL may screw us again).