MarlinTheMagician
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Check that, just found the highlight - 60 yards. Total beast. Watched his second half highlights from that game, you could see clearly what he is today that preseason game. Laser arm, toughness, running ability.
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Man, 2018 seems like yesterday. Who could forget the Peterman start in Baltimore? Or Josh's first start at home against San Diego where our corner quit at halftime! Was so hot that day, hottest Bills game I think I ever attended. I remember also Josh's first pass in the preseason - just walking to my seats after halftime and he throws a laser 40-50 yards down the field - just missed at the sideline by, I think, Robert Foster. Seemed like he was destined to be great as soon as I saw that preseason pass, even though an incompletion. Anyone remember that one?
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12 hours ago, Mister Defense said:
This year we should see a different Cole Bishop, like we saw a different Terrel Bernard in his2nd year, and in Benford's 2nd and 3rd years, as Bishop has the physical tools, skills and intelligence.
Like them he just needed to learn how the NFL game works, so his skills can shine through. And with that the toughness you speak of.
If he is good the Bills defense is good, and if he is very good, the defense may be very good.
To me the quality of Bishop's play this summer and in the regular season may go a long way in transforming the defense.
I think he comes through and is considered a very good NFL safety by the end of the season, a player who got better and better as the season progressed
I think this is a distinct possibility, but I think it is coin flip. Thus my concern. As other posters stated, he was undeniably tentative, at least in the first half of the year. Could be he didn't trust what he did see and didn't see enough - rookie problem that will clear. There was some improvement in the second half, but I did not see it as dramatic. I think he has a lot to prove this year to justify his draft status - he will either emerge or fade. He definitely does not seem to have the quicks to be a plus FS. I think his path is SS and to capture that opportunity he is going to have to assert himself more physically. Certainly could happen, but he has not proven it yet or showed enough flashes that I feel comfortable. Utah is over. Don't care about any insults, he is a big variable in the D - if he is a plus NFL starter our D looks a lot better than if he can't break into the lineup. Given apparent coverage limitations he needs to do that with physicality.
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Take Spender Brown - clean cut, but a real bastard from day one. Wanted to put defenders though the turf. Was always obvious. Same for our extra-lineman dude whose name I forget at the moment. Mean.
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35 minutes ago, Malazan said:
If a league wants to really compete with the NFL, they should go full mutant league football. Don't test for anything, let players take what they want.. let them get cybernetic limbs.. let them do whatever they want..
Kind of like it. Guarantees a level playing field and rewards ingenuity.
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1 minute ago, Lagoon Blues said:
Previous choir boy here....I have gone on to do unspeakable things. Seriously proud and extremely disappointed in myself. Just my 2c.
Bless you. Hang out with Cole some this summer. Corrupt him.
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Just now, WotAGuy said:
I need reassurance from the board.
Tell my my wife ain’t a 2.Don't think you will get that.
Hell, if not one other poster is worried at all about Bishop's development, I guess that does make me feel better. BUT - there is no way the top two safeties would have been mocked to us so often, or that persons on this board would have clamored for one of them, if Cole had balled out last year. The concern was not that "he didn't play well" - I thought he kind of played okay-ish. The concern was I did not see plays that demonstrated the traits we drafted him for -- size and speed used to deliver authoritative hits. Take Josh, or Shakir or Spencer Brown - they all did that even when experiencing rookie struggles. Not trashing the young man, not even saying he didn't play decent for a rook, but show me a little more sandpaper.
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Just now, Logic said:
When someone says "kidding" it is usually a tell!
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2 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:
You can’t tell by the look on a guy’s face whether he is tough. Heck I looked like an alter boy when younger, but was a state champ wrestler, national champ Powerlifter, and bounced in some of the worst roadhouses. That aw shucks look an be in youre favor. Now I truly am just a middle aged man who enjoys working out to be healthy. My hitting days are long gone. Besides my joints are that of a 68 yr old more than decade older than my age from the powerlifting. The body isn’t meant to do that stuff.
If he behaves like Deon back in the day, afraid to tackle people then make all the assertions you want as you have a body if work. The Utah posters states he’s tough, so that’s good enough for me. Last year he didn’t have a full off season due to injury,so another year in McD’s defense he’ll probably take the next step. Look how Spencer Brown evolved over three years.
I do feel reassured by the first paragraph - and heck, I even know that is absolutely a truism, can't judge a book by its cover. But I really want to see it. I would rather he miss badly, but aggressively, than settle for "scheme sound." Not saying he will settle for that, but I want to see it.
2 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:
You’re stupidMatch my SAT score bro, dare you! Kidding, but I very much want to be stupid here. I want to see him square some folks up. If you can honestly say you saw a lot of that last year, I was not watching the same performance. It is time. I hope it happens.
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4 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:
Steve Tasker looked like a choir boy and he was a psychopath on the field
Agree with the second part, but you have to admit Tasker looked like a choirboy in a kind of psychopathic way -- still does. Like Lenny Dykstra (who looked innocent when very young). Plus, my man Tasker played with unbridled aggression from the first play I ever saw of his. Dude was just a baller, and I am sincerely hopeful that is in Cole. I want to see it. In the NFL. Let's go Cole! I think he is a key for the D - a fact that is noted, but I think underrated.
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10 minutes ago, Malazan said:
ffs
Yeah, is similar to the bad feeling I had about Josh Rosen, only different. Looking at the pictures and interviews of that pencil-necked tool, all I could think was "never, ever will be a leader of strong men, and therefore will fail as an NFL QB." So ffs me all you want, I have a track record 😀 And like I said, would love to be wrong. Rapp - he is a train wreck the way he injures everyone and can't say healthy himself, but just looking at him you can picture him putting a hurt on people.
7 minutes ago, paulmm3 said:Yeah, OP is not correct. I live in Utah and watched Cole at U of U and he is an extremely willing, aggressive, and downhill tackler. Not an ounce of hesitation in the guy.
That is great - and I read the same kinds of reviews when he was drafted. The play I saw last year was more tentative, in my eyes. Could just be because he was a rook and missed time, but I hope what you saw at Utah translates to the NFL - it doesn't always. If it does, and I am 100% rooting for him, my next worry will be "can he stay healthy".
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I feel a need to be reassured by the board. I get a creeping fear - which can only be based on some weird, deep-seated prejudice -- that Cole Bishop may well lack the toughness to be an NFL strong safety. Maybe he looks a little bit too much like a choirboy. Maybe he is too handsome and I am secretly jealous. I am 100% rooting for him. I know he has the height, weight and speed. But I look at him and think "likely to be scheme sound." No, please! I want to look at him and say "geez, I would sure hate to be a running back and see that animal flying downhill at me. Snot flying, drool dripping, that dude is going to wreck someone." I want to think - wide receiver over the middle? Not worried about it, Bishop will get there and lay the MoFo out. They may complete one, but it will be VERY expensive for them.
Tell me I am stupid, a hater or just off base. I really liked the pick when they made it, I am hoping he grows into a silent assassin on the back-end. Even if he is scheme sound too (and I know he wasn't always that last year either). Let's go Cole - cheering for you, and want to feel stupid for doubting you. I may have to buy a Bishop jersey just to exorcise my doubts. Thoughts?
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3 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:
It's like a Game Day Thread.
If you read two pages of griping about Soft Zone! We're up by 10.
Fire McDermott! We're up by 7.
If you see 13 seconds references and Beane flak, the score is tied.
Fire McBean, Soft Zone and 13 Seconds all at the same time? We're down by a score to a worse team before the half.
And "we need another receiver"
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You heard it here first - save the post - he plays all 17 this year.
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Raiders at Bills, 1967. Dad took me to my first game. Sure miss that guy. Was at The Rockpile, of course. A framed picture of a Bills interception that day sits in a privileged bookshelf position in my NYC office. Will always be my favorite Bills game, even if they win the Super Bowl. Thanks Dad.
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No, no, no - don't jinx it folks!
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19 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:
I don't know what's been going on with me since the draft but I get this weird, like small butterfly feelings in my stomach thinking about the upcoming season.
This has never happened to me before. Usually I lose interest in football after the Bills are out, gain it back right before draft and free agency....then think about other things until late July.
But it's early May and I have the same exciting feeling the Saturday eve before the opener...which means it will take forever in my head for the season to get here.
I think they do it this year....I really do.
Any of you feeling weird like me right now?
And no, I'm not drunk.
Am I high? Maybe.
Not high, pregnant. Those butterflies --
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13 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Why? They weren't in on him. They have Rashee Rice, Xavier Worthy, Hollywood Brown, Jalen Royals, Skyy Moore, JuJu Smith-Schuster, and Tyquan Thornton. Hanging on every move they make, don't make, and expressing thanks for them not making moves that they weren't ever going to make is taking the fear of them too far.
Yeah, F the Chiefs. Mahomes is on the downside of his career 😃 (a man can dream - he has taken a bit of a beating lately). But agree, kidding aside, we have to run our own race. And despite the recent past, I like our guy better than their guy.
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Not a believer in Moore, really would have liked Keenan Allen. I trust Beane and can't believe he would bring Moore in just to appease the critics. So I will put my negativity aside and turn to my love of our team. I hope Moore proves me wrong and kills it. Let's go Elijah (gulp)! Behave yourself!!
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On 4/29/2025 at 1:19 PM, TBBills Fan said:
Don't let him leave the building
Instead, eject him forcibly.
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Also benched by Cleveland for "disciplinary reasons" Stefanski was classy enough to "keep internal" and has his Daddy crying for him over targets on social media. No thanks.
As if things are not bad enough for the Cleveland Browns, fans had a horrible deja-vu moment when wide receiver Elijah Moore's father complained about his son's lack of targets on social media.
Moore's father expressed disgust with his son's single target during the Week 4 loss to the Las Vegas Raiders.
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25 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
So there are 2 huge differences between Hamler and Moore. They are durability and production. Moore has been 3 times as productive in his career and has been extremely durable. Hamler has not played a meaningful snap since 2022, a year in which he played in 7 games after playing in just 3 games in 2021.
These two are not the same at all.
You're right, Moore is an absolute a**hole and Hamler is not.
I remember this guy vividly with the Jets and I REALLY don't want him. Contemporary news report:
Shortly before Elijah Moore requested a trade from the Jets in October, the receiver was sent home from practice after reportedly voicing his frustrationand displeasure with his role in New York's offense.
Moore wasn't getting the ball, producing numbers that paled in comparison to his promising performance as a rookie in 2021.
Three months later, more details have emerged from that outburst that took place behind closed doors, a situation that involved a confrontation with former offensive coordinator Mike LaFleur.
According to Zack Rosenblatt of The Athletic, Moore told LaFleur to "go f— yourself" in practice after he was held without a catch in a win over the Packers in Week 6.
Here's more from Rosenblatt on the heated exchange:
His frustration spilled into practice that week. That Thursday, Moore surprised teammates and coaches by blowing up on LaFleur, telling him to “go f— yourself” and “you suck,” according to multiple people who witnessed the interaction. LaFleur and Saleh ultimately decided to send Moore home to cool off. That night, he requested a trade.
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6 hours ago, HappyDays said:
The team isn't lacking speed. KJ Hamler is on the PS. Jalen Virgil ran a 4.40. What it's lacking is speed WRs that can actually play at an NFL level consistently and get deep. Moore doesn't do either of those. I'd take him at this point because he's better than Shavers or Shenault but it's a marginal improvement and his skill set is mostly redundant with what already exists in Samuel and Shakir. Honestly I'd rather we re-sign Amari Cooper if anything. At least there's some sort of proof of concept there and he gives us a baseline vertical skill set.
Agree with everything except "he's better than Shavers." I don't necessarily disagree with that either, but what do we base that on? Shavers has been in the lab working on his body and the offense for two years. How do we know how good he is at this point? We do well developing OL on the PS - if we don't think Shavers (or Hamlin, or Virgil) can ever be promoted, we need to get different guys on the PS that have traits suggesting they could come up and win a job at some point if they develop.
2 hours ago, ShakAttack said:
Would still love to see Hamler actually get a chance in a regular season game. I don’t know what the issue is here. He played well for the Broncos despite playing on one of the worst offenses in the NFL. His problem was staying healthy.Same with Shavers. If we need a fast little guy we already have one in Hamler. Not sure we need that - Shavers brings something different. They clearly like Virgil too. The only FA WRs I would want are Allen or maybe Cooper if the Bills think injury hurt his performance.
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I don't know. Seems like JAG to me - speedy little guy with a potentially bad attitude. He was picked slightly higher than Hamler, but they are pretty similar -- they are both very fast slots, and, admittedly, Moore is somewhat more accomplished in college (and meaningfully more in the pros). But the league valued them closely not long ago, and Hamler has put his ego on the shelf and put in two years of work to earn his way on to our team. Personally, if we feel compelled to dumpster dive for a WR, I would rather have Keenan Allen, forget the fantasy of 4.35 speed (for now), and move the chains with a proven pro like Allen. See below:
Moore’s second-round draft capital (34th overall to the Jets) reflected stronger consensus compared to Hamler’s late-second-round selection (46th overall to Denver), with scouts citing Moore’s polish and YAC ability as translatable NFL traits. Both profiled as slot-dependent receivers, but Moore’s college production against SEC competition and technical proficiency made him the safer projection.
Elijah Moore's Reputation
Recent reports suggest attitude concerns have emerged. During the 2024 season, the Browns benched Moore early in a game against the Bengals for disciplinary reasons, though specifics were undisclosed. Additionally, Reddit discussions speculate about a potential locker-room issue, with one commenter alleging a combination of "lack of skill" and "negative influence" as factors in his unsigned free-agent status.-
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Do you remember TJ Yates?
in The Stadium Wall
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That one pass is one of my favorite Bills memories - and in a preseason game! But so full of promise and, finally, hope -- !!
The NY Times wrote up that single throw extensively the next day. Here is what they said:
The New Era Field crowd had given Allen a standing ovation when he was announced as Buffalo’s new quarterback to begin the second half. Then he showed off the arm that made him the seventh overall draft choice and has captured so many imaginations.
Redmond didn’t know exactly what would happen on Allen’s debut play, but it called for max protection.
“Usually that means we’re taking a shot,” Redmond said. Allen faked a handoff to running back Marcus Murphy, then dropped back even farther.
“The play call had some deep routes,” Murphy said, “and I think it was all up to him.”
As Redmond helped hold the Panthers at bay, his mental clock told him the ball should’ve been thrown already. “But it wasn’t,” he said. Redmond couldn’t help but wonder if they’d be scraping Allen off the artificial turf.
Panthers DB Gaulden was in the middle of the field and read Allen’s deep setup. Gaulden had two receivers to survey yet didn’t wonder for long who Allen’s target would be. Allen quickly patted the ball twice while locking on receiver Robert Foster, sprinting up the left sideline. “He’s staring one receiver down the whole time,” Gaulden said. “That’s what you expect from a rookie quarterback. He just let it loose.”
Rookie or not, Allen’s release could be compared to few others in recent NFL memory. “We heard the roar,” said Redmond, “when the ball went up.”
Allen’s majestic spiral whistled 60 yards through the humid, night air. This was why the Bills traded up to draft him. This was why fans stood and applauded when Allen simply entered the game.
Panthers cornerback Kevon Seymour wasn’t on the field, but the former Bill watched in awe from the sideline.
“When he got in there and showed that deep ball,” Seymour said, “I was, like, whooof!”