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2 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:
QB makes such a big difference in pass protection. Even if the OL gets beat its nearly impossible to sack the QB if the ball is thrown on time.
Correct, that is how Tom Brady does it most of the time
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8 minutes ago, hemma said:
I think Peterman has earned the start, but with that OL, it won't mean very much.
Unless the OL tightens up, we'll go through a long list of QBs this year.
To be fair, Peterman played behind this same O-line when he was with the 1's and didn't take a beating. Just saying.
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1 minute ago, The Red King said:
Same, sadly. I was firmly in support of starting Allen, even behind a meh offensive line. Let him learn, let him get his lumps. I didn't buy into the whole "poor line play and pressure will ruin him" argument. But honestly, this line went beyond meh, and will get him killed. Allen is a rookie, and behind a decent or even meh line I still say start him. But he can't learn under conditions like yesterday. The game with starters is a lot faster, Allen himself admitted it.
Start Nate, let Allen learn a little on the sideline. When the offensive line shows it can provide at least decent protection, put the kid in. And yes, that sentence was hard to type. I dislike the idea that our offensive line is actually going to stunt/delay Allen's development. From what I've seen, he's ready to at least start and go through his growing pains. But that line is abysmal. Peterman has a little experience and can get the ball out quicker. Behind this sad mockery of an o-line, that will be almost mandatory.
Allen cannot learn behind, and may not even survive behind a line that looked like this...
Also this. Did we not see Allen SLAMMED into the endzone and his head bounce off the ground? Dude should be in concussion protocol. Good on him for not going down but multiple times I saw his legs get bent and head get slammed and just overall he was taking a MASSIVE beating out there. We don't need another Trent Edwards on our hands.
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1 minute ago, PlayoffsPlease said:
I honestly don't care about the statistical results of a couple of off-season games.
I'm fine with you wanting to ignore pre-season statistics. That's your prerogative. I choose NOT to ignore them. I am also concerned that you choose to both ignore good statistics put up by Peterman and poor statistics put up by Allen.
QuoteAny sighted person can see that Peterman will unquestionably be considered the worst starting QB in the NFL week 1, if he is the starter. Allen might be as well. The difference is by week 8 Peterman likely will still be the 32nd ranked starting NFL QB (barring injuries to others). Allen MAY not be.
Actually, last time I checked I was 20/20 vision AND I was AT two of the games. I have watched the ALL 22 film after the first two games over and over. My "sighted self" can see a QB that is getting the ball out fast / accurate and consistently. I see a QB who can run if he needs to and is playing smart. I also see a young rookie QB that had a chance to show that he was better under the SAME o-line with the SAME WR's as the first QB but instead sat in the pocket an average of 4 seconds .....that is a LONG time. You can blame the play calling but the SAME person was playcalling for both so you are either saying that the offensive coordinator is screwing Allen over and giving Peterman all the "good" plays, or, more likely, they are given the same plays but Peterman is simply disecting the defense / field quicker. I'm not sure how ANY of this leads Peterman to be "THE WORST" QB in the NFL. I think your still jaded by his ONE game.
QuotePeople are acting like Peterman is some grizzled savvy veteran who has been in the league for years like a Chase Daniels, or Case Keenum. He is not. He is a young player with one more NFL start that Allen.
Where did I EVER say that Peterman was some sort of "grizzled savvy veteran." Keep It Simple Stupid....Peterman played better at all levels of competition. Every time he goes in there the momentum pushes forward. He earned a spot as a starter and i'd be PISSED if I was Peterman and put on the kind of showing that I did and didn't get the starting position. All that would show me is that the competition was a farce from the beginning and nothing he could have done would have got him the starting position. Seriously, what did he need to do to convince you? Throw 20 TD's for 1000 yards in 4 - 5 quarters of play? -
On 8/27/2018 at 7:53 AM, PlayoffsPlease said:
It is not nonsense. Allen is better. Is the plan going to be to bench our best QB every time LeSean McCoy can't play, Benjamin drops passes and the o-line craps the bed. Because that is not a good formula.
To be honest, I just don't see how you can think that Allen is better. I wholeheartedly believe that Allen's CEILING is better. I believe the kid has shown some signs of why we picked him where we did. In no way shape or form did he outplay Peterman this offseason. This coming from a guy who was NOT a Peterman fan and REALLY wanted Allen to light it up tonight and earn his starting position outright. He didn't and once again Peterman did well. Peterman played with the 3's....100+ yards 1TD.....he played with the 2's tonight and was 16 for 21 / 200 yards 1TD and ran another drive that led to a run TD. When he played with the 1's he was 9/10 118 yards 1TD / 1 "not his fault" INT. I'm sorry but Peterman outplayed Allen and trust me I REALLY wanted it the other way around.
Edit after game 1:
Welp, I am eating crow now. Looks like Peterman is nothing but a pre-season star. Here is to hoping that Allen looks better than he did in pre-season as much as Peterman looks worse than he did.-
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7 minutes ago, GoodHands15 said:
Daboll ran the same offense for NP in each game. Yes, he made some good throws. But overall it’s little high % throws and his TDs haven’t really been red zone TD’s. Nate Peterman = Redzone FGs = statistical domination and 4 point leads at half.
JA = red zone rifle potential. I’ll take 1 TD over 2 field goals all day
Peterman was 9 / 10, 118 yards 1td 1int not his fault behind the same oline and the same play calling. Peterman had touchdown scoring drives EVERY DRIVE, no matter what string he played with. Every time her was on the field her kept drives alive and made plays. Every time Allen was on the field he did the same thing. Till tonight. He played with the same players, in the same scheme and floundered. Peterman got rid of the ball on average less than 2 seconds. Allen has 5 seconds at one point and still didn't get it out. Maybe Cincinnati is just that good, but I don't think so.
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This is all very simple. Allen and Peterman both had a chance with the 1s 2s and 3s. Who did the best at each level. Peterman. Whatever the reason is, he gives us the best chance to win now....I say we give it to him.
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All the rookie QB breakdowns. Josh Allen is throwing on average 15 - 20 MPH faster than the rest....flat footed or on the run. His Time To Release is faster. He is the only one that hits the crossbar lol.
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15 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:
I never said it was not catchable. It's a ball an elite player hauls in sometimes, but for the vast majority of players it's caught maybe 25% of the time. It's extremely poor placement for that short of a route.
I'll agree to disagree with you....maybe ;). I'll even compromise and say that its a catch that would be made 70% of the time
. Please watch this one to see it in slow mo and see if you can compromise with me 
https://www.panthers.com/video/shaq-thompson-interception
I'm sorry but thats a little high and slightly back....and to be fair it was because there was a lineman right there waiting to slap it down if it was "on target". To knock a perfect set of drives off of one slightly mis-thrown ball that I STILL say should have been caught......thats just insane. I saw some BAAAAD throws out there this pre-season. THIS was not one of them.
Also, remember all these criticisms as to why Nathan Peterman's night wasn't REALLY that great and remember to apply them to McCarron's game tonight...good or bad
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4 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:
Yes, you were. And clearly about more than just that assumption. That INT was 75% on Peterman for the ball placement and in no way is catchable 9 out of 10 times, especially to your backup RB.
Can you seriously watch this and tell me that (at 2:12) this ball was not catchable? Not like chris ivory had to come to a complete stop and stretch out backwards or even turn his hips. It was a LITTLE high and behind on his shoulder and YES this is a throw that should be caught 9 out of 10 times. Also, you say "backup RB" like Chris Ivory hasn't started for multiple teams. He is a good running back and good running backs catch that.
QuoteNot nearly the same numbers?
9/10, 119, 1, 1 - 110 Passer Rating
7/10, 116, 0, 0 - 108.8 Passer Rating
9/19, 116, 1, 0 - 84.5 Passer Rating (as you said, a wash considering drops/given up routes, slow snaps, lack of protection, and nobodies on D as well)
Exactly as I said. I said McCarron was close to putting up his numbers but no touchdown and only 70% completion. Also, the general feel of the drives were a lot sloppier with him with more penalties and just a general feeling of less control. That's just my opinion from up on the nose bleeds though.
QuotePeterman will look very good as long as Redmond isn't in at C (he just never needs to play C again...) because his strengths shine in preseason play and his weaknesses are not typically tested. You probably won't see that as fair, and I agree that it's not something in Peterman's control, but it's true. Defenses will absolutely change if he's the starter come week 1.
I'd like to see McCarron move the offense and score in order to remain in the competition. I don't care if his completion % is 60 or 90. I will care if he has a turnover, just like I do with Nate.
The Allen question is spot on and exactly what I hope to see. I'm truly excited to see if he steps up.
Week 3 will be interesting. If Allen shows well, an admittedly big if, with the 2's I think he winds up getting a shot with the 1's for all the marbles. Certainly very exciting times for the franchise and fanbase! Can't wait to see how it all plays out.
Here is the core of what I meant. Let me be clear. The Bills will play McCarron with the 1's tonight, Allen with the 2's and Peterman with the 3's. Barring an exemplary or dismal performance by one of the three, week 3 it will be Allen / Peterman / McCarron. Because of talent? Because QB A, B or C did best? No, because they are all being given an equal shot at a COMPETITION. Do I know this for sure? no. I'm no inside guy. However, I can see the patterns. For example, you don't take a QB that went 9/10, 119, 1,1 - 110 passer rating and push him down with the three's unless it was PRE-ORDAINED. Unless it was the plan all along.
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4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
I definitely get this point. I just worry about what the fans and media does to young qbs if they struggle. We can argue if JP or EJ would have ever been good enough. But I know what didn’t help them. Pulling the plug on them after 4 games.
I wasn’t thrilled with the Allen pick. But once they start him, they better be prepared to leave him in for the long haul even if he has one of his Oregon games. It’s embarrassing how quickly people want to say a young qb sucks. It’s the hardest position to learn in sports and people want guys to master it their first year.
I would agree with this but I would say that for whomever wins the competition, be it Allen / McCarron / Peterman. QB's will have ups and downs, stick with it for a year unless its 8 games 32 picks or something atrocious like that.
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1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
I’m a bigger and more real Bills fan than you!!! How did we get to this point in society? It’s ok to not see things exactly the same and still want the same thing in life.
Personally, I think Allen should start on the bench. The preseason is fool’s gold. If Allen starts right away, imo, he is going to be set up to fail. He is facing vanilla coverages against guys who won’t be playing or even be in the league. You would set the bar too high and expectations would be rational. See how the other guys do and then start him when those guys show they aren’t good enough.
"If I want your opinion I'll give it to you!"
Still though, pre-season is the only measuring stick we have. So whoevers play is the best, start them. That's my opinion :). -
10 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:
Might be harsh I guess, but I'm really not a fan of watching a QB who throws an INT every 10 pass attempts. I also think it's hilarious that, in a game where he continued this trend, folks are clamoring over it. He was decisive and quick against a vanilla defense. He showed some command and understanding of the offense. That's good, but it's not enough.
Amusingly, my brother and I had a conversation about this after the game last week. He claimed that everyone would ignore all the good things Peterman did and focus on the single "should have been a catch" interception he threw. I took the stance that people would not be so short-sighted and would respect a perfect 9/9 1TD / 117 yards and gloss over a single throw that was catch-able 9 times out of 10.
Looks like I was wrong.
You say "He was decisive and quick against a vanilla defense." but fail to mention that the other two QB's had the same vanilla defense but didn't pull NEARLY the same numbers. McCarron came close but it was a lot sloppier. Allen was playing with garbage against garbage and it was a wash.
That all being said, if they play Mccarron / Allen / Peterman this week that will answer a LOT of questions (why I think the coaches are doing this in the first place). Does Peterman raise the level of the "garbage" and play lights out vs their garbage? Does McCarron put on the same "1 imperfection" performance that Peterman did with the 1's? Does Allen continue to show improvement against a stiffer defense but with better chess pieces?
Finally, come week three I see one more rotation. I said this in another post but I'll say it again. The best way to do a QB competition is to see how they play against other teams and the only way to get that to work is to see all 3 QB's at all 3 levels of competition and compare.
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2 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:
I believe the above bolded is the only established fact.
P.S.- Would you officiate DC Tom's and my wedding? We're engaged, ya know! (by your standards, anyway)
You're cheating on me Rocky Landing?!?! I thought we were in love. Remember that one time when I posted and you responded and then you said "cool" ......now your marrying DC TOM?!?! What is this world coming too?!?!
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TL;DR; This is my general feeling. "May the best man win". In my personal opinion the best man last week was Peterman (and I am NOT a Peterman fan).
I don't believe the order of starting QB's matters in training camp or in pre-season. I think they came into camp with a plan and this is it: This week I believe they will start McCarron first, then Allen and then Peterman with the threes. Short of someone bombing completely I believe week 3 will start Allen with the ones, Peterman with the 2's and McCarron with the 3's. Is this because of their play? No. It's hard to hold a QB competition till you have seen all 3 QB's with all three levels of competition and if they all keep playing well or better I believe you will see this.
Then, at the end of week 3 they will have seen all 3 QB's at all three levels of competition and can make a decision going into week 4. I believe this is their plan and will only stray from it if one person either shines exceptionally or bombs horrendously. So far this has not happened. (Peterman came close if his last drive had turned into another TD instead of the unfortunate INT).
If this is their thought process then I am fine with it. At the end they should put in who the best QB is NOW. They all may have different ceilings / floors but I don't care about next season, I care about this season. If Allen proves to be the best QB then play him. If not, then don't. Same for the other two.
What I DO NOT want to see is a QB played due to "flashes" of talent and "ceiling" etc. I want results and I want them now and the losers can use the year to reflect on what they can do better next year.
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5 minutes ago, Foxx said:
it's a fact that he paid goons to remove jewlery and beat the woman?
Exactly what I was thinking. Poster claims that we state opinions as fact and in the same post states AS A FACT that "He paid or sent goons to remove jewelry from said woman while also beating said woman.". lol this person sounds like they could be McCoy's ex or lawyer lol
Edit: Totally off topic but why am i on "Probation"? Is it just because I have so few posts and everyone starts out there? -
Watched it last night and here are my opinions: AMAZING. Production level was really high (better than hard knocks imo). I find myself barely able to stay awake for Hard Knocks but I found myself wishing this was an hour long. Whoever the director was did an amazing job and should get some major props for this. I loved some of the crazy shots we got of practice and all the hard work these guys have been putting in.
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To be fair, I feel a bit like a groundhog poking my head out of a hole and testing the air. Something smelled good in the last pre-season game and I am looking to see if that smell comes back for the rest of the pre-season. If they continue playing like they did last pre-season game I am willing to put the bills up at a 10 win season and MAYBE beating the Packers. Bills always win one they should lose and lose one (or three, last year) they should win. If we do win its because of the "trap game mentality." It's easy to overlook a perennial loser that just BARELY snapped their drought last year and then lost 23 guys from the season before.
Good luck to both teams!
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17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
The topic is coaches who elevate the talent on their roster and get the very best out of it.
Daboll has a track record of 4 years OC in the NFL:
2009, 2010 Browns
2011 Dolphins
2012 Chiefs
No one could say he was handed the keys to a Ferrari in any of those positions.
The question is, did he get the best out of the talent he had? DId he elevate it? The only case where one might make that argument is the Dolphins.
The rest, you can't say he had top-notch talent, but you can't say he got their best years out of them, either.
That's his track record in the NFL as an OC. The question is, has he learned something in the last 5 years as a position coach and a college OC, or hasn't he? Time will tell.
Sadly, each of those teams was bad for a year or two before Daboll came in. The only team to improve when he came in was the dolphins. It's a lot of wait and see and guesswork at this point but I have a feeling our offense will be atrocious this year. Here is hoping I am wrong
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My brother and I have a drinking game. Any time the announcers say something that can be turned into a "Thats what she said" joke we drank. We were pretty wasted the year we had "Boobie" Dixon lol. Still, things like "Man he really got some deep penetration into the backfield". "That tight end just stopped up the line's penetration before they could explode in the gap". The list goes on and on. Try it sometime....its both hilarious and a great way to get drunk
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Lets throw a few more in here:
"Looks like the receiver was having a hard time getting his hand on the ball"
"Look at him cut in and then out and then in again, the whole time maintaining great ball control""Boobie with the ball up the middle"
"Boobie got slammed as soon as he was given the ball"""Its about getting off early""
"Knowing you're going to get man it'd be a great time to take something deep."
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@SDS I've messaged you a few times and it shows you haven't even read them. If you still need help just let me know.
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Funny enough I am actually a Bill's fan because of my mom. My mother and my grandfather connected through the Bills and when I left for the military the Bill gave my mom and I a connection over the distances. It's still the one thing we can talk about for hours without getting bored.
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On 6/20/2018 at 1:14 PM, cd1 said:
Interesting.
The ball has numbers written on it - 7, 51, 114, 35, 77, ... and the Bills logo
Too bad the numbers weren't 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42 and the Dharma logo
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7 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:
A while back before the Draft there was a Jerry Hughes discussion I chimed in on, and while I took a bit of a beating (can't lie...kina liked it) about trading Hughes due to the net yards he actually produced due to penalties was interesting. I took all the sacks he created and the yards lost by the opposing team vs. the penalties he took and the total yards he essentially gave back due to the penalties, and the result was about as expected: the net yards were very minimal meaning, for his sacks compared to the yards he gave back on penalties, he wasn't even close to earning his contract.
Now, it seems he's gotten better - and to the OP's point probably because McD is a man about team discipline - but his production in terms of sacks and pressures has also steadily decreased over the last three years. So, I'm hoping he rebounds this year with a monster year in production but keeps the discipline by avoiding penalties but if he does it this year - it will be his first ever.....so, we'll see.
Thanks for bringing up a good point OP...these kinds of sneaky numbers can lost once all the information about TDs and turnovers and sacks get discussed. But as you've already said, they're important factors in the totality of the outcome of many games.
To be fair, the day they traded Dareus, after I stopped swearing, I called that our sack and overall front line production would take a hit. You just HAVE to have a big guy in there sucking up the double teams. Dareus did that beautifully. He soaked up guys to allow the likes of Hughes to get to the QB. He soaked up guys and allowed our LB's to get better gap control. He may not have had shiny sack / tackle numbers but the man was consistently making the line better as a starting point. He takes on two guys which puts KW one on one which is dangerous. So they shift and all of the sudden Hughes has a much easier time. No matter what they did, Dareus being out there caused a snowball effect that made our line better. Now that we have Phillips I believe we have that "big guy" back again and you will see sack numbers go back up. Wait and see, wait and see
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Please name Josh Allen the starter
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I realize this. I'm not saying that he isn't fine. I'm saying that we can only expect more of that and next time he may NOT be fine.