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I am hopeful that this is the week that the defense has a coming out party. The Texans' defense is elite, but their offense is one of the worst in the league -- with or without Stroud.
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Funny, when this thread first popped up on Saturday I was under the impression that Keon was being benched due to his play on the field and that the coaches had game-planned for an offense without him. However, we later learned that this was due to a punishment based on him having missed a team meeting on Friday.
That begs the question: was he being phased out of the offense anyway -- or (especially, given that the infraction occurred AFTER the offensive game-plan against the Bucs had already been installed) was he originally going to play a major role in the offense? If it is the latter, kudos to the players and coaches for stepping up and running a highly productive offense with last-minute changes.
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I'm glad you brought this up!
One of the big failings on offense this year versus last was the decline in the production we had seen out of the RBs on the roster NOT named James Cook. Davis was beginning to look like a cut candidate and Johnson, dubbed by Josh last season as the best 3rd down back in the league, had been a non-factor.
While Davis didn't do much on offense yesterday, he was remarkable returning kicks, and Johnson looked more like the 2024 version of himself.
I think the sudden RB activity in the passing game (remember, the Bucs have one of the best run defenses in the league) is just one more benefit of what happens when the downfield passing game is working and defenses cannot crowd the line of scrimmage.
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I'm sure someone who left the game healthy will wind up on the injury report by Wednesday... J/K
I am guessing that the easiest thing to do would be to IR Hardman and give his spot on the 53 to Davis.
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1 hour ago, LEBills said:
Only 16 games in 2022 due to Damar tooDiggs averaged more yards per game and a higher percentage of his qbs yards than Reed did. Reed was very good and had great longevity but I agree with Bull, Diggs was better just brief.
It's difficult comparing receiving stats from the modern era versus what teams were doing back in the 80s and 90s when Reed played. The passing game is far more prominent and sophisticated these days, and the rules have been changed quite a bit to help the passing game.
But you point is well taken: when Diggs' heart was int it, he was one of the best receivers this organization ever had.
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I will say that it does seem like the Bills have actually performed better when it came playoff time in the seasons when they had some real competition in the division. In particular, I am talking about 2021 when they never seemed to win any of the close games and the division title wasn't decided until the final game of the season. That team (13 seconds aside) was the best and most-playoff ready team we've seen in this era.
Actually, it seems like an every-other-year situation in these regards -- with the Bills dominating during the regular season in the even-numbered years (2020, 2022 and 2024) but fighting to the very end in 2021 and 2023. Now we're back in and odd-numbered season and indeed 2025 is looking like 2021 and 2023 with the Patriots putting the team in the position where the margin for error is razor thin. As it is, the Bills need to win out and hope that the Pats lose another game to ensure another division title. In essence, the Bills are already in a playoff format if they expect to make it to the tournament, let alone win the division.
Things sure would have been a lot easier if they hadn't crapped the bed against Miami last week. Let's hope that debacle taught everyone in the organization a valuable lesson.
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I expect (hope) Palmer and Davis are both healthy and play on the outside.
That said, this could be a big game for Keon playing the "big slot" with Kincaid likely out and Shakir limited or out as well.
I see something like 6 targets, 4 receptions and 58 receiving yards with most of the receptions being short with little-to-no YAC, but I think he breaks a slant for a long gain and a potential TD. I'd say 50/50 that he scores this week.
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I wonder if we will ever find out what the real story was behind the Waddle negotiations.
I know many of us have been operating under the assumption that the sticking point in the Waddle trade was that Miami wanted a 2026 first rounder and Beane was unwilling to make that trade. I have gone back and forth on this myself. Part of me maintains that Waddle is a proven player and almost certainly better than any player we could have acquired late in the first round this coming April. Also, he would be a shot in the arm to our struggling passing game and would help us NOW. But, it is worth asking -- are we really just a single WR away from the Super Bowl? What we saw on the field against Miami on Sunday would certainly suggest otherwise. And, again, do we really now that Waddle was available to the Bills for a 2026 1st round pick?
From what we gave heard from reliable sources, Beane proposed a 2027 #1 and a 2026 #3, which was the best offer on the table. So perhaps Beane felt like any better offer would have been a case of him out-bidding himself. What we don't know is how serious were the negotiations. Did the Dolphins offer a counter? Were they ever seriously interested in working with the Bills -- or trading Waddle at all? Or, as some have speculated here, was there a deal in the works for the reported parameters -- but Miami pulled out at the final hour?
We also heard rumors that Beane inquired about Olave and was told flatly that the Saints were not interested in trading him at all. Likewise, on trade-deadline-day, he was reportedly steadfast about trading for G. Wilson but the Jets were unwilling to make a trade in division. There was also talk of discussions between Beane and the Commanders about trading D. Samuel, which thankfully were never consummated.
As many have said, all GMs make bad personnel decisions. It is forgivable to miss, for example, on the Keon pick. The bigger issue is coming across smug like you know so much more than the interviewers/fans and treating them in a disrespectful manner. I remember the same thing happening with T. Donahoe after he fired Gregg Williams -- he had a press conference in which he was irate and spoke condescendingly to the reporters and fans. He never overcame that misstep, and a GM that Bills fans had previously applauded was soon viewed as a villain. He was gone not long after.
If I were a PR man for Beane, I would suggest that he go back on the radio on WGR and not necessarily apologize, but in a witty way acknowledge that they were right and that he has tried (and will continue to try) to fortify the WR position.
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No denying the Pats are good. Even when they struggled the last few years, their defense was still pretty good, and we typically were 1-1 against them. Now they have found their QB and have a very solid coach, who will typically have them prepared game-in and game-out.
Still, if the Bills had not played like trash against them, that would have been a Bills victory, which would have put the remainder of this season in a completely different light. Funny, all the talk heading into that game about how the Bills had not lost the turnover battle in like 2 years -- and then went on to do it in 3 of the next 5 games, all of which were losses. I guess a regression to the mean? Sadly, we've seen a lot of "regression to the mean" this year.
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15 minutes ago, Low Positive said:
I have no ideas about GMs except for someone from Philly or KC. As for HC, I like Klint Kubiac. He's getting a lot out of not too much in Seattle. But Pegula will probably hire Gruden. Remember, the only NFL coach that Terry hired on his own was Rex.
Well, in Pegula's defense, the Rex hire was at the urging of Russ Brandon, who was more interested in marketing than building a quality team.
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The irony of all of this is that the theme behind McD's defensive scheme has always been to bend-but-don't break. That is, concede the underneath stuff -- and if a team is going to beat you, force them to be patient and methodically march the length of the field. The concept -- and in many ways it is a correct concept -- is that if an offense requires more plays to hit paydirt, then it is more prone to make a mistake somewhere along the line.
So what kind of offense has McD instituted? The exact offense he wants his defense to force opponents to run!
What's even worse is that he doesn't have a noodle-arm QB that he is trying to protect with such an offensive scheme, he has a generational talent at QB, blessed with one of the strongest arms ever.
I get that the run game is important -- and the 12 (and even 13) personnel formations they have been running can be quite successful. But any offense needs to be truly multi-dimensional (which it CAN be in these heavy formations when utilized properly) in order to succeed. If nothing else, the offense has to be able to compete in a shootout, which it has shown on multiple occasions already this year it cannot do -- with the exception of the Week 1 game against Baltimore, which honestly may have been more of an indictment against Baltimore than anything else.
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The 3rd down conversion play to Samuel was classic Josh with the Superman cape. He bought an extra 10 seconds literally running all over the field before Samuel finally broke open. You could tell after that play he was gassed -- but still doing his best to persevere.
It is pretty clear that the receiving corps he has to work with sucks- and he knows it. But he just wants to win so bad. Contrast that with the "I don't care" body language that Coleman exhibits.
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7 minutes ago, JohnNord said:
At this point, I think it’s a given that Brady is not back next season.The Bills are going to bring back Brian Daboll
I’m in the same boat. The won’t rebuild, until they have to rebuild and this team isn’t at that point yet. Terry is not going to fire these twoNot so sure about Beane. His roster management -- player acquisition and cap management -- have been really bad. Also, the meltdown on radio after the draft was embarrassing -- especially since he was clearly so WRONG. One thing no owner (including Terry) likes is being embarrassed.
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It's funny... at halftime I was angry at Beane for having not been willing to cough up the 2026 1st rounder up for Waddle. Now -- especially with mounting inhuries on both sides of the ball -- it is pretty clear that this team is more than 1 WR away from making it to the Super Bowl.
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The full Josh Allen experience. 😞
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For as horrifically as the Bills have played, the are very fortunate to only be down by 16. Need to make proper halftime adjustments!
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Bills defense looks like they are running in quicksand
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Gutless effort
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Someone forgot to tell Miami that their season was over.
Our receivers still suck.
Stop throwing the ball to Coleman! Where are Shakir and Kincaid?
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No pressure whatoever on Tua
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51 minutes ago, stlbills13 said:
The AFC just feels so freaking wide open this year. I would love to push the chips all in and go for it even if it means an overpay. Obviously I mean within reason and not like sending a 1st and 2nd for Olave but just go for it Brandon. The last thing I want to hear is "didn't want to mortgage our future". Championships live forever.
The problem is that it would take a deal like the one you described as not being within reason to acquire Olave IF the Saints could be persuaded to trade him, which it sounds like they aren't.
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Up:
Josh: he got his mojo back!
Defensive Line Rotation: Here is where everybody ate (Bosa, Epenesa, Hoecht, Groot, Walker). Such a shame about Hoecht's Achilles.
Spencer Brown: Remember before the bye, he was either out or compromised in each of the 2 losses. The bye week came at a good time for him, and I think the presence of a healthy Spencer Brown makes a HUGE difference.
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Bernard: His instincts seemed woefully off yesterday, and it seemed like every time something bad happened, he was seen on the screen!
Taron Johnson: He has struggled quite a bit at times this season, and I think his absence yesterday revealed that the team just might be better off with Lewis out there.
Trade prospects: It's about 24 hours now until the trading deadline. The "everyone eats" mantra was in full force yesterday with 10 different players recording a reception. Palmer should be returning soon, and Gabe Davis may be making an appearance soon too. Personally, I still love the idea of trying to make a trade for a bona fide deep threat, but is Beane going to feel the same way? Likewise, will the spectacular play of youngsters in the secondary yesterday (Hairston and Bishop, in particular) preclude them from adding reinforcements there as well?
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7 minutes ago, Sestak4ever said:
Have not heard anything regarding Marvin Harrison, but anyone think he may be available after tonight’s game? They certainly don’t know how to utilize him in Arizona. I highly doubt Arizona moves him, but he must be extremely frustrated.
I was wondering the same thing a few weeks back -- when he and Murray did not appear to be getting along. MHJ was complaining about not getting enough looks and Murray said something to the effect, "I throw to the open guy".
Coaches are heavily implying that Coleman isn’t trying on the field
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I get what you are saying. But it reminds me of back in the early 90s during the Cowboys' run, Jimmy Johnson rather infamously cut a marginal player on the spot for falling asleep during film session. At a press conference after the incident, a reporter asked Jimmy what he would have done if it had been Troy Aikman who had fallen asleep instead of the other player. Jimmy replied, "I would have walked over to him, nudged film and said 'Troy, wake up!'".
The point is that an elite player (like Diggs was for the Bills most of the time) can get away with things that other players can't. It may seem unfair, but that is the nature of the business. Coleman hasn't done anything to date that has earned him this type of favoritism. And, given that he has already been disciplined on multiple occasions for the same indiscretion -- and both his QB and head coach were placed in a position just days before of defending his perceived lack of effort -- his decision to skip a mandatory team meeting could not have come at a worse time.
I don't personally know the young man, so it is difficult for me to guess what the issue may be. Did he view the nice payday he received when joining the NFL as the culmination and end of his journey? Is he open to coaching and guidance from more seasoned players and coaches? I will say that I do not like his body language -- as it does come across as he doesn't care at times. That could be just part of his personality/demeanor, and perhaps the effort really is there. But perception is reality, and the perception by observers (including apparently some players and coaches) is that he that he does not always give max effort.
He's still young, and I truly believe that he is playing for an organization that has his best interest at heart -- and will do whatever they can to help him "grow up". But it's up to him to step up and rise to the challenge.