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The 3rd down conversion play to Samuel was classic Josh with the Superman cape. He bought an extra 10 seconds literally running all over the field before Samuel finally broke open. You could tell after that play he was gassed -- but still doing his best to persevere.
It is pretty clear that the receiving corps he has to work with sucks- and he knows it. But he just wants to win so bad. Contrast that with the "I don't care" body language that Coleman exhibits.
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7 minutes ago, JohnNord said:
At this point, I think it’s a given that Brady is not back next season.The Bills are going to bring back Brian Daboll
I’m in the same boat. The won’t rebuild, until they have to rebuild and this team isn’t at that point yet. Terry is not going to fire these twoNot so sure about Beane. His roster management -- player acquisition and cap management -- have been really bad. Also, the meltdown on radio after the draft was embarrassing -- especially since he was clearly so WRONG. One thing no owner (including Terry) likes is being embarrassed.
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It's funny... at halftime I was angry at Beane for having not been willing to cough up the 2026 1st rounder up for Waddle. Now -- especially with mounting inhuries on both sides of the ball -- it is pretty clear that this team is more than 1 WR away from making it to the Super Bowl.
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The full Josh Allen experience. 😞
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For as horrifically as the Bills have played, the are very fortunate to only be down by 16. Need to make proper halftime adjustments!
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Bills defense looks like they are running in quicksand
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Gutless effort
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Someone forgot to tell Miami that their season was over.
Our receivers still suck.
Stop throwing the ball to Coleman! Where are Shakir and Kincaid?
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No pressure whatoever on Tua
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51 minutes ago, stlbills13 said:
The AFC just feels so freaking wide open this year. I would love to push the chips all in and go for it even if it means an overpay. Obviously I mean within reason and not like sending a 1st and 2nd for Olave but just go for it Brandon. The last thing I want to hear is "didn't want to mortgage our future". Championships live forever.
The problem is that it would take a deal like the one you described as not being within reason to acquire Olave IF the Saints could be persuaded to trade him, which it sounds like they aren't.
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Up:
Josh: he got his mojo back!
Defensive Line Rotation: Here is where everybody ate (Bosa, Epenesa, Hoecht, Groot, Walker). Such a shame about Hoecht's Achilles.
Spencer Brown: Remember before the bye, he was either out or compromised in each of the 2 losses. The bye week came at a good time for him, and I think the presence of a healthy Spencer Brown makes a HUGE difference.
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Bernard: His instincts seemed woefully off yesterday, and it seemed like every time something bad happened, he was seen on the screen!
Taron Johnson: He has struggled quite a bit at times this season, and I think his absence yesterday revealed that the team just might be better off with Lewis out there.
Trade prospects: It's about 24 hours now until the trading deadline. The "everyone eats" mantra was in full force yesterday with 10 different players recording a reception. Palmer should be returning soon, and Gabe Davis may be making an appearance soon too. Personally, I still love the idea of trying to make a trade for a bona fide deep threat, but is Beane going to feel the same way? Likewise, will the spectacular play of youngsters in the secondary yesterday (Hairston and Bishop, in particular) preclude them from adding reinforcements there as well?
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7 minutes ago, Sestak4ever said:
Have not heard anything regarding Marvin Harrison, but anyone think he may be available after tonight’s game? They certainly don’t know how to utilize him in Arizona. I highly doubt Arizona moves him, but he must be extremely frustrated.
I was wondering the same thing a few weeks back -- when he and Murray did not appear to be getting along. MHJ was complaining about not getting enough looks and Murray said something to the effect, "I throw to the open guy".
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Wonder why Ingram was in there so much?
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Defenses have adjusted to what the offense did last year. Now, with no deep threat, let alone a single receiver that can beat one-on-one coverage, opponents are content to crowd the line of scrimmage to focus on stopping the run (including Josh's scrambles) and get immediate stops on those bubbles and near-the-line of scrimmage pass plays.
It reminds me of what happened during Flutie's tenure. Once defenses realized that he wasn't going deep with the ball, they played everything up in the box, which limited his ability to make big plays with his legs. The difference was that Flutie had marginal arm strength -- whereas, Josh may have the strongest arm of any QB in the league.
I do think the game plan against the Falcons was to have Palmer heavily involved -- and he was certainly a big factor early on. When he went down on that second series, the team really did not have a Plan B.
The team really needs someone who can stretch the field in the worst possible way.
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Many of us had concerns going into the season that the WR room simply wasn't good enough. So the struggles from that perspective have gone as expected.
Still, as many have pointed out, Josh has looked very uncomfortable at times during these last 3 games -- and, really, I thought this started showing up a bit against the Saints -- even though the Bills managed to win that one. I do feel like he may have pressed too much against the Pats -- and Diggs' presence on the opposing team may have played a role there. The same thing happened last season when the Bills played the Texans (when a healthy Diggs was there). Against Atlanta he faced a rested team with a DC that has had success in the past making Josh uncomfortable.
Here's the thing. The younger version of Josh was often criticized for playing "hero" ball and trying to do too much, when the play was simply not there. This more mature version of Josh is content to take what the defense gives him and NOT try the low percentage plays when he doesn't have to. That said, there is a fine line between being smart with the ball and not taking unnecessary risks versus being completely risk adverse (i.e. showing no sense of urgency) and allowing an inferior opponent to hang around in the game. I feel like Josh was closer to being "smart" with the ball against Carolina than he was to being "out-of-sorts" in the prior 2 games. The Bills never trailed in this game -- and, indeed, even though they had to settle for FGs on the first 2 drives, it was pretty clear that they were going to be able to run the ball all game against the Panthers. So, when execution broke down on those pass plays, it was better for him to take a sack or check down than to unnecessarily put the ball at risk as he may have done even as recently as 2 years ago (most notably against beatable teams like the Jets and Jags).
I also got a sense by halftime against the Panthers that he may have gotten his mojo back. He definitely looked more comfortable and played much better in the 2nd half.
One other thing I noticed is that the receivers definitely looked better on scramble drills Sunday than they had looked in the previous 2 games. For example, both Moore and Shakir stayed with him as he raced toward the sideline. Now, both of them failed to get their feet down in bounds on passes intended for them, but at least both provided him with an option when he was flushed from the pocket.
Obviously, the passing game needs to step it up as the team faces tougher opponents (starting with the Chiefs next week).
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5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
22 receptions on 54 targets is rather concerning. How much is just him not being good this year?That is certainly a fair point. After all, he is 2nd (ironically behind BTJ, who many on this board are clamoring giving up a 1st round pick to acquire) in the NFL with 8 drops on the season.
I guess we would have to look at why the productivity has been so bad. I am wondering if it could be a situation where a change of scenery and the chance to play for a genuine contender could help in those regards.
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I also liked the level of energy and excitement he provided after each 3rd down stop.
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I'm wondering if J. Jeudy may not be the most logical and realistic option at this point? He is in a terrible situation in Cleveland (only saw 2 passes thrown his direction yesterday), has had some success in the past, still has some tread on his tires, and Beane has had a working relationship with the Browns front office in the past. Also, a trade like this wouldn't cost an arm and a leg, I am guessing a mid-round pick?
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Given who our next opponent is, I suspect the officials will retroactively assess a 15-yard personal foul penalty against Dion to start the game.
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1 hour ago, stlbills13 said:
This is a great test for the coaching staff in my opinion. Coming off 2 losses where you got both outplayed and outcoached. You had a bye week and now you go on the road against an improved but still mediocre team. You have the 2 suspended players coming back and likely a few other difference makers coming back from injury. If you can't get it done on Sunday, it's going to be a long season.
Agreed.
I think it also provides a great barometer to help determine the best course of action for the remainder of this season -- and the next week heading up to the trade deadline in particular. That is, is this team as good as we thought/hoped going into the season where a single big move (like trading a future first round pick for a bona fide #1 WR) is in play -- or is the team really much further from that level, requiring too many pieces to seriously go "all in" for 2025.
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At a certain point we have to stop blaming coaches, the front office etc. for Keon's disappointing metrics to date -- and place the blame squarely where it lies: on the athlete himself.
We all knew going in then Coleman wasn't the fastest dude on the planet -- but plenty of all time great WRs (Rice, Irvin, etc.) were not blessed with great speed -- but managed to become what they were by an outstanding work ethic, supreme confidence -- and the belief and insistence that when the ball was in the air is was THEIRS.
When I watch Keon, I see a dude that runs lackadaisical routes -- and doesn't seem to fight all that hard to bring in the ball on those contested routes. I hate his body language. Given that he has been disciplined now on multiple occasions for conduct issues, his maturity and work ethic definitely have to be questioned.
I recall similar concerns about Eric Moulds after his first couple of seasons in the league. Eventually he matured and by year 3 developed into the kind of WR that had initially led the Bills to draft him in the 1st round. It's on Keon to decide himself whether he wants to put in the work and do what he can to rise to that next level.
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9 minutes ago, Gregg said:
Beane right now as the trade deadline nears.
As disappointed as I am with Beane's handling of the position in recent years, I do realize that there may not be many serious options that he can explore right now. The issue is supply and demand: there are many more WR-needy teams right than there are viable WR options in the market-place.
Olave seems to be the most logical candidate -- provided that the Saints are even willing to trade him -- but he is likely being pursued by many other teams, which drives up the price. Personally, I would be on board with giving up a 1st round pick (and maybe more) to acquire him.
Regardless, I hope the front office is leaving no stone unturned.
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1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:
It's amazing how similar the Ravens and Bills are. Unprecedented in terms of overall record over a long period of time with the same HC/franchise QB without a Super Bowl appearance. Hats off to the Chiefs I guess.
And the common denominator? Neither team has been able to get past the Reid-Mahomes Chiefs. McDermott-Allen would have at least 2 Super Bowl appearances (perhaps as many as 4) if not for the Chiefs knocking them out. The Harbaugh-Jackson Ravens would have one appearance as well.
This must have been how the Colts and Oilers teams felt back in the 70s when the Dolphins and Steelers ruled. The Madden-Stabler Raiders were in the same boat until they eventually won a Super Bowl of their own. Hopefully we do the same one of these days.
McDermott statement in presser is telling concerning our offense
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The irony of all of this is that the theme behind McD's defensive scheme has always been to bend-but-don't break. That is, concede the underneath stuff -- and if a team is going to beat you, force them to be patient and methodically march the length of the field. The concept -- and in many ways it is a correct concept -- is that if an offense requires more plays to hit paydirt, then it is more prone to make a mistake somewhere along the line.
So what kind of offense has McD instituted? The exact offense he wants his defense to force opponents to run!
What's even worse is that he doesn't have a noodle-arm QB that he is trying to protect with such an offensive scheme, he has a generational talent at QB, blessed with one of the strongest arms ever.
I get that the run game is important -- and the 12 (and even 13) personnel formations they have been running can be quite successful. But any offense needs to be truly multi-dimensional (which it CAN be in these heavy formations when utilized properly) in order to succeed. If nothing else, the offense has to be able to compete in a shootout, which it has shown on multiple occasions already this year it cannot do -- with the exception of the Week 1 game against Baltimore, which honestly may have been more of an indictment against Baltimore than anything else.