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If you look at the last 3 drives of the 1st half for the Saints, and the beginning drive of the 2nd half, it went like this: Josh throws a pick, and the Saints take over at the 50-yard line. We hold them to a punt. The offense can't do anything with the ball, so we punt. The Saints take over at their 30-yard line, and we hold them to a FG. We get the kickoff and can't do anything with it, again, so we punt. The Saints take over at OUR 40-yard line. Their last drive of the half. They were trying to double-dip (they get the ball to start the 2nd half). We get an int. So, to end the half the Saints started 2 those 3 drives at the 50 or inside the 50 and we gave up 3 points and screwed up their double-dip strategy. Saints get the 2nd half kick-off. We make them punt. We come down to score a TD, basically screwing the double-dip attempt (thanks defense). Pretty sure we didn't make a 4th down attempt to begin the 4th, and the Saints got the ball at... the 50 yard-line again (WTF, offense?!). The defense basically bailing out the offense. But of course, that's not how some here see it. Hint: it's the same group of complainers. We may not win the Dolphins game w/o the defensive play to cause a late int. The offense wasn't exactly tearing it up that game. How many FF during the Jets game? At least 3. Two by Bosa and one by Cam Lewis. We don't beat the Ravens without the defense forcing the big fumble by Henry. Those that choose to call it lucky, well, what is there to say?! AND, we held them to 0 points in the pivotal 4th qt. That's nothing to sneeze at. The defense has played a very important part in all 4 victories. And we are still waiting on 3/4 very important pieces to return in Milano, Hoecht, Hairston and Oliver. At least let the defense play together as a whole before wanting to get rid of a coach.

It looks like the general question was not exactly a question. To quote the OP "So, give your list of the current 3 active players who most deserve it. Take some time to research it, too, if you'd like. Many older players are in the league but most of them have a SB Ring." I like what Jdragon2 posted. You don't have to like or agree, but he contributed here, like the OP asked. HINT: there is no right answer. Just opinions. Yours isn't any more coreect than Jdragon2. No matter what Simon says.

They were bad with Baker and all he’s done is win 2 straight nfcs titles with the Bucs. They’ve shown they don’t know how to develop qbs. It’s right in your face but you refuse to see it. Same with the Jets and the cardinals. I get though…see below.

Maybe I wasn't making my point clear enough. So here goes: And... this regime developed him to what he is now. Point blank, period. That is not something you should just "forget". Do you think it's a coincidence that Baker is way more successful with the Bucs than with the Browns? I didn't know there were Josh Allen sunglasses being sold. Where can I get a pair? How much did they cost you?

Yes, to my question that Allen would have done as well?

I wrote " This thread brings to mind how so many here say Beane is lucky he has Allen. "If Allen were injured, we would win 4-5 games." is what I read here. Well, duh. That would be the case for any team that loses a QB of that caliber. I believe Allan realizes how lucky he was that he wasn't drafted by the Jets, Browns, or Cardinals that year. It's not surprising to see these QBs perform better when they leave those crap franchises. Allen had a lot of things to work on when he entered the league, and he got selected by the perfect franchise to help him achieve what he has so far. Just imagine Josh with the Jets, Browns, or Cardinals early in his career. They would have ruined him. At least until he was able to get away from that franchise. Even then, he may have been too broken by those franchises. All this to say, great job, Beane. Keep it up! On a side note: I feel if Beane was part of the 2017 draft, he would have drafted Mahomes, if he was available during our pick. JMO." Your reply has the feel of someone who was triggered by the statement in bold. Maybe I'm reading your post wrong. If so, my apologies. Your reply aside, do you think Allen does as well if he is drafted by the franchises I mentioned?

This thread brings to mind how so many here say Beane is lucky he has Allen. "If Allen were injured, we would win 4-5 games." is what I read here. Well, duh. That would be the case for any team that loses a QB of that caliber. I believe Allan realizes how lucky he was that he wasn't drafted by the Jets, Browns, or Cardinals that year. It's not surprising to see these QBs perform better when they leave those crap franchises. Allen had a lot of things to work on when he entered the league, and he got selected by the perfect franchise to help him achieve what he has so far. Just imagine Josh with the Jets, Browns, or Cardinals early in his career. They would have ruined him. At least until he was able to get away from that franchise. Even then, he may have been too broken by those franchises. All this to say, great job, Beane. Keep it up! On a side note: I feel if Beane was part of the 2017 draft, he would have drafted Mahomes, if he was available during our pick. JMO.

Oliver could have publicly stated the win was on him, due to an incredible play. Henry's public statement shouldn't diminish Oliver's play, which I took from the Dr's post. I could be mistaken on what Dr. was implying. If so, my apologies to you Dr. See below. "Henry got cocky about his stiff arm and tried to stiff arm Ed in traffic, allowing Ed to get to the football. He needs to save those stiff arms for DBs in space."

So, Ed just got lucky. Got it.

What mistake did Henry make? I remember Oliver knocking the ball out of Henry's hands. That is a great defensive play. No? Eventually this "we can't keep counting on lucky turnovers" thought process has to end. The D has been good at creating turnovers for years. I do agree on McD missing out on a couple of challenges, though.

Yes, dayumm good work, IF YOU CAN GET IT. Go give it a shot and tell us how it worked out for ya.

Ty is also averaging 6.1 yds per rush attempt. He is a RB, no? They've only played 3 games. Pretty sure that 1.6 avg. will go up. Back to the original topic, Cook is worth every dollar. You don't pay a RB that much to sit the bench. With the new contract, he should see an uptick in usage, which will affect the other RBs #s. That's not a bad thing, guys. Again, I am pretty sure that 1.6 avg. will go up as the season progresses. It's only been 3 games.

I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere but, last season Worthy had 59 rec. at a 10.9 yd per rec clip. Coleman had 29 rec , but at a 19.2 yd per rec clip. I know it’s about half the receptions (due to injury) but, it SHOULD be hard to ignore that difference in the yards per receptions. Wasn’t Worthy supposed to be the bigger down field threat between the two?

Seems like an odd statement. Josh hasn’t beaten the Chiefs or Bengals in the playoffs either. Dawkins, Benford, Milano., Cook. I could go on. Let’s let them all walk, dammit!

Yeah, leading the league in rushing tds isn’t elite. If espn is right he was tied with Henry and Gibbs for the league lead with 16. More than Barkley, B. Robinson, D. Montgomery, etc. Step 1 in contract negotiations is start high, if you’re the player.