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23 hours ago, Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD said:
I would rather take a wr in both the 1st and 2nd round than trade up to the top 15 for a receiver.
Adonai Mitchell or Brian Thomas may be there at #28 and then take McConkey, Franklin, or Wilson at #60.
Bills need two
This is a great discussion point . reach for It ? BTW Harrison wont be there. period .
Risk is supposedly calculated when done right lol
What really best serves the Bills Offense today and in the future
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On 4/9/2024 at 6:34 PM, Aussie Joe said:
Since Diggs .. I’m starting to talk myself into a guy like McMillan or Baker…if you got one of them ..provided they were paired with an earlier pick say Mitchell, Legette or McConkey.. I think I’d be happy with that ..
I mean ..could they even get that accomplished with a trade down from 28 into the mid/ late thirties in return for a third round for say Javon Baker … and picking for example a D lineman at 60?
Probably the best case scenario for the draft … if you didn’t want to trade up
Why do you prefer those two? McMillan and Baker ??
Would be glad to read why you are liking them
On 4/9/2024 at 6:35 PM, GASabresIUFan said:With the 28th pick in the 2024 NFL draft the Buffalo Bills select …….
The Bills have traded the 28th pick to ...... lol
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On 4/8/2024 at 4:27 PM, freddyjj said:
I believe OBD has a few plans but the most likely scenario would involve a WR at 28 or a trade down from 28 into top of 2nd thus picking up a 3rd Rd pick as well. Do see OBD picking 2 WRs; one with their 1st pick (at 28 or lower) and another later but before pick 150.
If Bills can gain some leverage in the second rd from later picks or even a pick from next year
Then how they manage 28 is not to get stuck on 28.
I couldnt answer. I want them to be super flexible
If they go after one of the top 4 I might stroke out , but hang around just to see how it plays next season !
I think they can find two AND some starters * with four picks
*First year rotations
Thank you for the poll OP
3 hours ago, Mr. Irrelevant said:Considering who will be available at 28, would prefer drafting Ladd McConkey, WR from Georgia or Xavier Leggett WR, So. Carolina.
However, since this is a fantasy, my preference would be to move back out of the first to the early 2nd, acquire enough draft capitol to move up from 60 and possibly get a late 3rd round pick as well.
Still Draft McConkey or Leggett, then draft a DT with the move up from 60, and draft a WR, CB, S, or RB in the 3rd.
seems too good
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1 hour ago, Beck Water said:
If you want measurables or scouting reports, move on now.
I thought it would be interesting to look at where some of the top WR were drafted.
I started by looking at Y/G for the top-20 WR for the last 3 years. I used Y/G to normalize for injuries to WR or QB.
There were 8 guys who have been in the top 20 for 3 years, showing consistency.
Draft position: round-overall pick
1-5
1-17
1-22
2-51
2-53
3-765-146
5-1653 from Rd 1 (1 top 10 pick, 2 from the bottom half of the round)
2 from Rd 2
1 from Rd 3
2 from Rd 5
Another 8 guys 2 of 3 years: round-overall pick
1-4
1-6
1-7
1-71-11
1-243-69
3-84
Adding both groups together
9 from Rd 1 (5 top-10 picks, 1 top half of the 1st, 3 bottom half)
2 from Rd 2
3 from Rd 3
2 from Rd 5
12 guys who appeared in the top-20 1 of 3 years (keep in mind, this includes rookies and guys whose QB fell to injury): round-overall pick
1-25
1-27
2-33
2-34
2-36
2-52
2-64
3-66
3-69
3-89
4-112
5-177
Adding all 3 groups together
11 from Rd 1 (5 top-10 picks, 1 top half, 5 bottom half)
7 from Rd 2 (3 early 2nd, 4 2nd half of the 2nd)
6 from Rd 3
1 from Rd 4
3 from Rd 5
So, of 28 WR who have been top-20 for at least 1 of the past 3 years:
39% from Rd 1 (5 top-10, 1 top half, 5 bottom half)
25% from Rd 2
21% from Rd 3
4% from Rd 4
11% from Rd 5
What's my takehome from this? The odds are highest to get a top WR in the 1st, but the chances are about even between the top and bottom half of the round.Pretty good odds from Rd 2 and 3
After that, you can still draft a good WR but, it's a lottery ticket
If I feel energetic, I may go back and look at how many WR were drafted ahead of each of these guys.
I do love your work ! for real. Taking Y/G is is a great sorting to find how the 1 rounds drafts were able to acclimate to the NFL
But it also reminded me how so very many factors come into the equation. And statistics may too straightforward to isolate as well as group some together.
I am big on Fitment.
Right team and system.
OC and Coaches alike. Can they develop WRs.
System likely defines who they bring in. better choose well
May I suggest Gabe Davis. Did they not get the most out of him ? ( we shall see soon) or did they pick the wrong player
another issue of context might be , does the Team change OC during the players 1st 3 years ?
QB changes most obviously. More of course
But seriously excellent data breakdown Beck . greatly appreciated by All I am sure
Find the right one who can elevate your current system and future state for 4-5 years or more.And find Him in the 1st, seems to be the answer. Simple eh ? ha ha
19 minutes ago, BuffaloMatt said:Go defense in round 1
we need more emoji stickers.
6 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:Slight additions to your comment. Both get open and catch the call CONSISTENTLY.
Big ask Sooner !
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10 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:
PURE STUPIDITY!!
Marcel Dareus all over again??
geesh I hope Bills current FO learned from that previous error. But he went south after he got paid big monies
Kids do kid dumb stuff. Does he learn ?
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13 hours ago, Heavy Kevi said:
Get used to it. When your franchise admits to not being a film junkie, they will always question his work ethic.
When he's experienced most of his success with a top tier WR, people think it's the wr (it's almost never the wr)
Allen and Diggs had some tense moments. On national tv, in primetime, in playoffs, even AFCCG. What are these people who don't follow the bills supposed to think 🤷🏻♂️
In ways they were right. They said the bills will move on from Diggs and Diggs isn't happy. We said "they don't know what they are talking about. He literally just said in a presser he wants to retire a Bill". Then we all scream "clickbait" as if it illegitamizes the story, but sometimes even the idiots turn out to be correct.
Overall, BFD. What they say NEVER matters. We will all find out soon what Josh is without Diggs. Personally I see a major down year for the team and I'm still hoping for a new HC before Josh is 40, but I'd be damned if I'm going to be affected by someone's random opinion who I don't even know. Especially if it is literally their job to talk about it. They gotta say something, right? It's just like the political 24 hour news cycle. Gotta fill the air.
Stay off the social interwebs and click the TV over to game show network or something. You'll notice all the tension just wash away. I've followed the team this off-season less than I ever have and it's been great. I got a text from a friend of mine (who used to be a Buffalo Jill coincidentally) about the Bills trading Stef and it's the only reason I even came back on here a few days ago.
See y'all again at the draft!
will be best season ever
see bolded above
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3 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:
Was he speeding? If so he's a future Dolphin for sure
McBeanes tolerates.
But Speeding ? I think not. red flag , or black flag and disqualified lol
we all have a redline (see what i did there ?)
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3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:
Disagree
Depending.
The circumstances of the arrest. the degree of intoxication. and yea , does the kid have any history of irresponsibility
I just can t say Bills will now look away. Expecting them look deeper into him.
He could be a great fit behind DQ and take over that role soon.
Could actually be effective year one in that McD rotation. imho
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22 minutes ago, TPS said:
He might fall down the board a bit, but that's the kind of things the Bills shy away from. No chance now.
Disagree
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29 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
I'm posting this because I've seen a lot of people peg him as a Bills target in the 2nd round, although I never thought he would make it to our pick. With this news it's possible he falls down the board.
Good
Hope he drops to the third or fourth.
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6 hours ago, Nextmanup said:
Giving up that much for an elite draft prospect is insane IMO. You must don't know how any of those guys will play out as pros.
If you are going to give up a TON, do what we did when he got DIGGS.....get a guy who has proven exactly who he is at the NFL level but demands a high price.
I.E., find a way to get AIYUK, not a draftee.
That would be my preference if we are giving up the house.
There is no doubt, Beane is not done at WR. He hasn't even started.
You dont get off your Draft game discipline , unless you need That QB period
Okay maybe Harrison ...
next year Bills should have some decent FA money. This year ! Draft the future but wisely spending draft capital 😇
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On 4/4/2024 at 9:51 PM, mrags said:
I 100% believe Beane has a plan in place that involves trading our 1st or 2nd next year. If Odunze or Nabors falls to 10 then I could see them making a play there. If not I firmly believe they are prepared to part with a 2nd next year to move into teens for Thomas Jr. Beane didn’t acquire that 2nd next year and plan to not use it this year when they now have a need at WR and in a great WR class. He’s using it to move up his year. Either to move up in the first round or gain a 2nd pick in the second round. Bank on it.
yea , he has been brewing up something in his Wizards Lair. You can see it manifesting already
I expect the second round might have some very very nice fits indeed.
if they can get that for sure (lol) 5 year rookie to take over long term for Diggs ?By trading uphill ?
Well I suspect i will be pretty stoked about that player (WR lol)
But hope Bills can add picks in the second or third without giving away much.
pretty danged Fun exciting this draft.
Vikings are pretty Scary exciting , for context
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43 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:
Well, let's not forget that Brady attempted to get Diggs a lot of work as he was still the most targeted player in the receiving corps under Brady as OC. Diggs simply didn't perform like a #1 WR, or even a decent #2. Diggs had a 66.9% catch percentage in 2023, and Gabe Davis had a 55.6% catch percentage. Diggs had 160 targets and 107 receptions. Gives you an idea of why both might be gone.
To put that in perspective Shakir had an 86.7 catch percentage, Cook 81.5%, and Kincade 80.2% catch percentage.
It is my take that Diggs wanted out of Buffalo and was about to become another offseason distraction. I think Beane and Co. simply were tired of Diggs with his antics. Buffalo did him a solid by trading him away and Houston did him one better by restructuring to a one-year deal thus allowing him to be an FA in 2025. He wants to go to Dallas to play on the same team as his brother.
In my view, looking at Digg's stats in the playoffs, 4 seasons in Buffalo with 9 playoff games
Two TDs in 2020 one against the Colts, and one against the Ravens.
Two playoff games in 2021, with 0 TDs. Against the Chiefs, 7 targets for 3 receptions for 7 yards. REALLY? Against the Patriots 4 targets for 3 receptions for 60 yards
Two playoff games in 2022, with 0 TDs. Against Miami, 9 targets for 7 receptions for 114 yards. Against Cincy 10 targets for 4 receptions for 35 yards.
Two playoff games in 2023, with 0 TDs. Against the Chiefs, 8 targets for 3 receptions for 21 yards. Against the Steelers 9 targets for 7 receptions for 52 yards.
Buffalo needs a #1 WR to step up in the playoffs and not fall on his face. Diggs can yell at Josh Allen all he wants as it wasn't Josh who was failing in those playoff games.
This is painful to acknowledge
I did not know that Diggs couldn't make plays when the lites were bright.
very painful statisticsSo trade was not as Beane might have hoped ?
10 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
I would find it absolutely shocking if beane wanted to aggressively tie himself to diggs even longer by creating more dead money with him after last years behavior all year and close to the season on field.
makes almost no sense.
we didn’t even convert all of joshs salary either, as another indicator there was no need to restructure diggs again who is a much worse candidate than Josh for that
I thought he was dinged up too- but I suspect we will know quickly if so.
he won’t keep quiet if there’s a chance for him to excuse his stats down the stretch, yet alone a reason that could make him look like a good guy gutting it out
Heck, even if he wasn’t hurt I half expect it
He passed his physical i do believe 😑
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21 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:
I could find a way to excuse his pathetic lack of effort when the play wasn't going his way. Claiming it didn't matter,, though it irritated me and was a bad look. In part excused in my mind by his yet to be disclosed injury.
But what about all the times Diggs took himself out on those 3rd downs?
Even with my made up injury for Diggs I couldn't come up with a rational explanation for those. IF he was playing hurt why wouldn't he have timed it so he was in on 3rd downs. That's inexcusable in my mind. Brady had to want him out.
I think you might be focused more up last season's effort. Swore he had an upper body injury
But though Diggs was a beast with the ball in his time as a Bill. 💪
Last year , not so much
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39 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:
I truly doubt we make any kind of move up to 6 but I would definitely use some of our plethora of picks to move up in the second to get a good recovery there.
Bills will find two Wrs
and one who will start. If they are wise. And I think they are ahead of this matter.
No reaching please. Could strain something !
Steady as she goes Brandon
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5 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:
This is really the only one that we let walk that continued to have productive seasons.
I thought this topic was about my feelings. Not business deals
Always think its about me 🤩Kyle cuz i missed him immediately on the field and his person
Fred cuz i felt he got screwwd. seeing his family packed at the airport and leaving Buffalo
That bs nearly had me quitting the team , again ,,,
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23 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:
An observation - remember how this board reacted when we said bye to Morse and White. With a tinge of sadness and many wishes for a bright future.
And look how we feel when we saw Diggs bu** go out the door. Eager to put our boot on it.
Cant but contrast how they were as team mates and as individuals. We will always think fondly of players like Morse, White....
Agreed
I have no animosity toward him whatsoever, he really had a great run in Buffalo
Instantly changed the game for Offense and Josh for the better.
Was a fierce competitor for sure.
Some plays i would laugh out loud as to how he juked before he got the ball. Elite skills.
Last year was the anomaly.
Best wishes to ya Stephon Diggs .
4 minutes ago, HOUSE said:I just threw my ash tray and it broke the coffee pot
We told you about that last time you threw the coffee pot at the ashtray.
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23 hours ago, Bruffalo said:
I think a more moderate move up to Brian Thomas is realistic.
Id also be fine just grabbing AD Mitchell at ~28 and move around the 2nd and grab Franklin.
How do you see Franklin long tern in Buffalo ?
I think Bills need one impact WR as soon as they can make the deal in the draft. The second one ? not gonna Sweat where that one comes from. Speedy X who can grow
Bills are now looking for a 1A from the draft. imho
Who knows though.
beane might trade his second this year and next if he can get the player who fits the bill lol
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10 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
For me I picked Kyle because he meant so much to this team for so long and retired right as the team was turning the corner. Wish he would have played a year or two longer to really enjoy some winning.
Kyle was my Hero.
Fred was the one that hurt me
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1 minute ago, LEBills said:
I know losing Diggs is a big deal. But we still have a lot of spots on the roster that need young players besides WR. Trading away a lot of picks including next years first isn’t worth it when a good WR will be there at 28 imo.I thinks its a mixed bag
But I wouldnt go that hard and go for nine
Sure move for the guys you feel fit.
We aint gettin Marvin Harrison jr so ...
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1 minute ago, Beck Water said:
Nate Geary's take. Agree/disagree?
Things can change.
Thats a constant
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1 minute ago, Matt_In_NH said:
No clue how to spell the name but Odunze?
heard from some thats a good fit
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1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said:
Bears only have 4 picks in 2024 draft. High probability one of the top 3 WR’s is there at pick 9.
1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said:Bears only have 4 picks in 2024 draft. High probability one of the top 3 WR’s is there at pick 9.
and whos the pick ?
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4 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:
Be a McDermott fan boy if you want. Others on here agree with me
As for my other points, is the failure to adequately address the OL an unfair criticism?
The only redeeming factor for Epenesa is he is only 25. He had 2.5 sacks in the final ten weeks of the year. Again started the season strong and was a non-factor the rest of the way. He had 1 tackle and no sacks in 2023 playoffs. Terrible decision to bring him back.
I've generally given Beane high marks for his off-season moves.
As he said today, the Bills are worse today after this move. If he thinks Shakir, Kincaid, and Samuel can replace Diggs as he was implying he is insane. But he is lying. He will trade up and draft a WR. That is his MO. He burns picks to move up and get a guy he wants. The only thing left to be seen is how much he gives up and how high he goes up.
It now feels Beanes hand was semi forced In his presser he said they probably were not as good now.
Feels like Diggs just wanted out
I dont think we can lay much blame on Beane this time.
The contract extension ? Sure. He was hopefullast season Diggs looked like he had an upper body injury
perhaps he just want trying as hard under Dorsey and then still with Brady
How to Pick a Top WR
in The Stadium Wall
Posted
Its about getting the right fit. as i have mentioned
and the ability to develop and use that pick.
Perhaps there are some players that will just plain kick ars no matter what the situation.
Pick well Beanes because this WR selection(s) one really matters
signed
Josh