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1 hour ago, purple haze said:
But I'm taking Jerry Butler over Lee Evans all day everyday,
Oh hell yes! It isn't even a conversation. And if Butler didn't blow out a knee before he even reached his prime, this thread may have well have been about Butler. Without the injuries, he would have probably been a member of the Super Bowl teams as well. Lofton was drafted by Green Bay a year BEFORE Butler. I'll never forget his 10 catch, 4 TD 255 yard show against the Jets in 1980... as a rookie on a Chuck Knox (Ground Chuck) team. If you can find it, You Tube it for some quarantine entertainment. He was unstoppable, ran the smoothest routes and had the softest hands of all of them.
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1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:
If you can't streak inside the stadium do you think they'll let you streak outside? ?
If you just put a little bleach in your eyes, it'll work out. The sight of it will just disappear one day...
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1 hour ago, JinxedBill said:
Personally I’m tired of quaranting the everyone instead of quaranting the sick like normal.
Brilliant! Right on... What could go wrong with that? With a disease that is asymptomatic for up to 50% of contagious cases, this should be effective as all of the other BS talking points.
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13 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:
It's not just you, there are plenty of others. We have to beat winning teams in the regular season before we get too excited about winning the post-season. Know how many playoff teams we beat this past season? Zero (0). All our victories were from teams that did not make the playoffs. That has to change.
Victory over Tennessee didn't count? Maybe it just changed in the blink of an eye and the firing of a synapse...
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On 3/15/2020 at 2:29 PM, SoTier said:
They might agree to a deal but they can't actually sign a deal until after they are drafted.
Wasn't your original point that he was a holdout? Agreement in principal or signed deal... Neither equates to a lengthy hold out.
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1 hour ago, SoTier said:
What I have heard over the years is that Wilson traded Lamonica because he had an affair with another player's wife. I don't how true that was but it seems consistent with how Wilson ran the team.
I think that Lamonica would have failed in Buffalo. The loss to the Chiefs in the AFC Championship (for the berth in Super Bowl I) was the Bills' last hurrah and ushered in 2 decades of misery for Bills fans which were only broken by Lou Saban's short lived return as coach (1972-the first 5 games of 1976) and the Chuck Knox regime (1978-1982) until Bill Polian took charge of the Bills in 1986. Between 1967 and 1985, the Bills were mostly uncompetitive with the rest of the NFL. Wilson didn't like paying top money for quality players, so the Bills drafted primarily based either position (lots of DBs in the first round) or whether a draftee would accept the Bills' low ball salary offers in the first round. In the 20 years between 1967 and 1986, the Bills had the #1 pick in the entire draft 4 times (OJ Simpson (1968), Walt Putulski (1972), Tom Cousineau (1979), and Bruce Smith (1985)), 3 top 5 picks, and 2 top ten picks. Simpson and Smith both held out a long time before finally signing with the Bills. Cousineau chose to play in the CFL rather than for the Bills. Jim Kelly (the only QB taken in the first round during this period) chose the WFL over the Bills.
Bruce Smith was not a hold out as a draft choice. If memory serves, he signed with Buffalo prior to the draft. The choice was a fan debate between Bruce and Flutie. Bills chose Bruce because they could get him to sign before they invested the #1 overall pick on him.
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5 hours ago, oldschoolfootball1963 said:
I’m tired of playing 1970’s football.
How do you feel about your screen name? If I show you a picture of Greg Bell, will you feel happy or sad?
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3 hours ago, Billznut said:
Don’t worry, You are right. It was a high ankle sprain, not a broken foot.
Sprained and broken! The man who owns the foot says it was broken.
"We taped that ankle up as much as we could," said Ferguson in Legends of the Buffalo Bills . "But it really hurt. I just couldn't get going with it. When I got back home and had it examined a final time, it was discovered that the ankle had been sprained, torn, pulled and stretched. And there was a cracked bone in the back of my ankle to top it off."
https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2011/7/9/2263975/buffalo-bills-joe-ferguson-1980-nfl-playoffs
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9 hours ago, bbb said:
How do you know that Fergy's foot was broke? I always heard it was a badly sprained ankle.
I seem to remember it being reported in the aftermath of the SD playoff loss. It's all hazy now. If I am mistaken, blame it on some tainted bash from a 4th Dev floor party/exorcism. I was actually three floors down in Shay. When I think of 4th Shay, I can only think of a dude we just called Grateful Kevin! Good man!
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13 minutes ago, Greg S said:
When it comes to death in the music industry 8/9/95 was the hardest one to take.
I think I'd rather rank my children in a Facebook post than to attempt to triage 8/9/95 vs 12/8/80. Close, but I've gotta go Lennon. Why did you make me think of this.... You must be my long lost Bertha... Sorry kids, I am keeping the other list to myself.
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6 hours ago, bbb said:
After a decade of rooting against the Dolphins, I was forced to root for them. I used to say I'm never doing that again. Last time I did that, they killed John Lennon.
Perfect!
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1 hour ago, CSBill said:
I know I'll be in the minority here, but I'm old enough to remember the Beatles and Lennon and all, so I'll say it to all you younger types, Lennon was overrated! His death was tragic, and what it met most to people then was the hoped for Beatles reunion would never happen.
But as a musician, he was good, but nothing special. He was odd and his music was hard to listen to once he left the Beatles. Again, no one deserves to die the way he did, but his death and the way it occurred did more to make him an icon than his music did--at least his music post-Beatles.
There, I said it, you can flame away at me now . . .
No flames. A few tears perhaps, but no flames... "Imagine all the people, living life in peace"... For whatever your personal experience of John Lennon was, for whatever magic that was there that for some reason you were not experiencing, you missed something damn special. John Lennon changed the world, but not every individual in it.
I honestly never viewed Lennon's death in the context of nixing a reunion and I don't know anyone that did. Sure, we may have observed that it would no longer be possible, but that was very far removed from what the moment was about, or what it meant. It was only ever about the tragic and violent loss of a legend, an icon, and a rare cultural world leader.
Again, no flames, I always enjoy your posts. More power to you and your insights. This one simply dropped my jaw and reinforced John's own words:
"Yeah we all shine on, like the moon and the stars and the sun."
- John Lennon (after he left The Beatles)
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46 minutes ago, ticketssince61 said:
If I remember correctly, the result of that game put the bills into the playoffs or at least made it very likely
John Lennon RIP
No. Not exactly. The Bills had just beat the Rams and danced on the field afterward in the fog (great memories... favorite Bills season ever), but they still had some good old fashioned Bills drama left. The lost the following weekend in New England and Ferguson broke his foot. Because it was 1980, he played through it and nobody really acknowledged that it was broken. The final week it was all or nothing in San Fran in the Candlestick mud against a young Joe Montana that was still learning how to be Joe Montana.
There is a famous Van Miller call floating around on You Tube of the final play that goes something like "And so the season all comes down to this one final play." Montana heaved a Hail Mary into the end zone that was close, but batted away at the last moment by the Bills, finally giving them the AFC East crown. Interesting footnote to that season: every AFC playoff team, division winners and wild cards included, finished 11-5. If Montana completes that pass, Bills would have been out. It seemed like an unnecessarily close scare to the 6-10 49ers. The following year, Montana figured out who he was going to become and won his 1st Super Bowl. Super fun season in 1980.
And it was also tragically memorable due to the event referenced by OP. I remember sitting in silence with friends in a dorm room at St. Bona in disbelief as Howard broke the news. I think I heard nothing but John Lennon music for the next month. RIP John!
Still missed.
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7 hours ago, NewEra said:
Cribbs was a special running back and in another league than Singletary. Career NFL stats are little indication how good Cribbs was
Complete agreement with this. Cribbs was an incredible back. I like Singletary a lot. Joe Cribbs was truly a special back. Give me Cribbs any day.
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59 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said:
Data shows they are not a good team, just like data showed in the lat 80's there might be exoplanets. Those scientists were derided for their takes and some of them even kept quiet in fear of losing their careers. The data has been proven out year after year the Bills are not a good team, yet year after year the fight is the same. It's match & science vs. religion season by season it seems.
Are you effing serious right now? Did you just equate data collection and application methods used by astronomers and physicists to the recreational junk science known as Football Outsiders? Queue perspective any time you feel inspired for your next revelation. Data does not show anything. Data DOES inform our interpretation! You have yours. I find it depressing and self flagellating as a fan.
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What was the DVOA of the 1990 Buffalo Bills vs that of the NY Giants? How about the 1991 Bills vs Redskins? How many rings do we really have?
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War Is Peace
Freedom Is Slavery
Ignorance Is Strength
5-2 Is 3-4
1984 is 2-12
Then Came Bruce
2019 Is NOT 1984
Football Outsiders are Not Football
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South Florida KNOWS we got the right Josh. All eyes here on Jimmy Butler and 2020 for a new fins QB.
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This list, particularly at WR, has serious flaws. Frank Lewis was always the 2nd best receiver on his own team, behind Butler. Not even close... Where's Jerry? Evans over Bob Chandler? No! McKenzie, Braxton, Tony Greene, Hasslett (an absolute animal with knack for timely big plays) to name a few more belong here. Look, I get it. The Super Bowl era was great, but I'm pretty sure that the 70's and 80's happened. Having done those years... ummm... aggressively? I may only remember preciously little of them, except for those Bills teams and The Dead's first set at The Aud in the fall of '81. And I'm pretty sure those were real, approaching great things. I swear! So sorry, Nothin Shakin' on this street without Reggie, Jerry and Bobby.
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2 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:
From that last Courier Express. Three months later I left Buffalo and never lived there again, although I have gone back a lot of times over the years.Great memories... That was my senior year at Bonaventure, then I was on the road as well. I get back at least once a year. I now live in Southwest Florida, but Buffalo will always be home. I think that is the spirit that caught Kelly by surprise once he spent some time here. Houston could never offer that! Glad he came around and happy that he stayed. Following The Bills has been a journey. My family had season tickets from the OJ years and I finally let them go in... 1989. That worked out well. My first four seasons as a non season ticket holder were all Super Bowl years. I figured it was a sign to say away
But following from afar has been great, especially since the internet arrived. It always amazes me how many "Bills Mafia!" yells I get wherever I wear my Bills gear around here and out west too! Great fans from all generations... Can't touch 'em... I still remember the "Go Sabres, and Take The Bills With You!" bumper stickers from the 70's. We would see them and laugh. We would have been heartbroken if they ever did go. Thank you Terry and Kim. Everyone is right where they belong. Except for that guy who sat in front of me in section C from 1981 - 1987. That guy belongs in custody! Maybe he is... Good thread. Good night!
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24 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:
For cwater10: The final edition of the Courier Express.Oh man... Like it was yesterday. Thanks for the memory, Albany. My inner Phil Ranalo just smoked a cigar. What's new Harry?
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Your question may have been best answered by Roger Waters and David Gilmour in 1979
"I don't need no arms around me
And I dont need no drugs to calm me.
I have seen the writing on the wall.
Don't think I need anything at all.
No! Don't think I'll need anything at all.
All in all it was all just bricks in the wall.
All in all you were all just bricks in the wall."
It was easily the most dispiriting time ever to be a Bills fan. The drought of 2000 -2017 was mind numbing mediocrity for the most part. This was something quite different. For Baby Boomer Bills fans, the 10 year period from 1976 - 1986, the experience of waking up every day to read the Courier Express, watching a 4 minute local sports report (or 3) every evening, just trying to live the good life of being a Bills fan, was brutal. And strangely, it was also wonderful. It was, as Marv would eventually say, exactly where and when we wanted to be. It was like a twisted dream that drew on emotions that would have been expected from... let's say: The Great Depression, Woodstock, and some other horrific historical reference that was so inhumane, that a football metaphor would be completely and irresistibly inappropriate for. By the time Jim opted for the USFL and declared that being drafted by Buffalo made him cry, it was just another brick in the wall. Still, it somehow made viscous cosmic sense to Bills fans just like losing that 4th Super Bowl did.
In 1976, we came crashing to earth from the euphoric ride of the OJ era. First OJ held out and demanded to be traded to LA. Then, on the eve of the opener, he signed with Buffalo once again, and all seemed normal. We all exhaled that the thrill ride of OJ would continue and at least the offense would keep us on the edge of our seats. After a 2-2 start, Fergy suffered a broken back somewhere in that haze, and they never won again. 2 -12 in 1976 led directly to 2-12 in 1977. OJ tore up his knee, and would never again be relevant (until he was again... in ways that we could not believe, until we had to believe it). Because of prior trades and expansion, those twin 2-12 finishes did not even net us a #1 overall pick. Instead we drafted Phil Dokes. Remember him? If you do, it's just scar tissue. If you don't, there is good reason.
Finally, 1979 brought us a good break and the OJ trade gifted us the #1 pick overall. After much fanfare, we selected a linebacker, Tom Cousineau from Ohio State. Cousineau was apparently a role model for future Buffalo highly drafted stars. He said thanks, but no thanks and opted to sign with the freakin' Montreal Allouettes of the CFL. Seriously... we lost the #1 overall pick to the CFL. Can you imagine the Twitter meltdown if that happened today? Yep, it was another brick in the wall to feed tortured Bills fans souls. More hemlock please!
Somehow the Bills landed on their feet and had a great draft anyway, landing foundational players in Jerry Butler, Fred Smerlas, Jim Haslett, Jeff Nixon and good depth in Rod Kush and Ken "Baby" Johnson. A pleasant 1979 turnaround to an encouraging 7 - 9 (sound familiar), actually did usher in a brief period of Woodstock like euphoria for Bills fans. 1980 began with breaking the Miami "curse" of the 1970's (0-20). The curse was every bit as vile in the 70's as "The Drought" was for modern day Bills fans. Soon the city was all singing "Talking Proud" and players were dancing and partying on field. Goal posts came down. Chuck Knox was the football messiah that we had been dreaming of. With the # 1 defense and Ferguson in a groove, Super Bowl dreams were real, even likely. And then more bricks.... Fergy with a gruesome ankle injury on the eve on the playoffs followed by an apparent playoff victory in San Diego blown up in shocking and sudden Billsy fashion as Rod Smith (who?) goes like 85 yards with a minute left. WTF? Another playoff season followed in 1981. 1982 arrived with promise of more playoff fun, and the Bills started 2-0 after a thrilling come from behind home victory over Minnesota on Thursday night. Times were good, right. Look out! INCOMING BRICKS!
At that point the NFL Players went on strike for a month or two, and nothing was ever the same for Bills fans. For added foreshadowing effect, 3 days after that thrilling Bills victory over Minnesota, the beloved Courier Express just went out of business. The player strike followed a day later. Bricks everywhere! When the smoke cleared the Bills were a mess and just tanked the rest of the abbreviated season. After the season ended in misery, Chuck Knox said "get me outta here" and decided that Seattle would be a nice place to live. An angry Joe Cribbs would soon decide to spend what seemed like an eternity demanding more money or a trade, while checking in daily with reporters from "his mother's home in Sulligent, Alabama", instead of on the field with The Bills. He would soon take his talents to Birmingham, Alabama of the USFL. One last ray of hope was that The Bills had recouped some measure of compensation for the Tom Cousineau debacle in the form of an extra first round pick in the upcoming draft when Cousineau decided that The CFL was not so cool and he wanted back into the NFL. Buffalo traded his rights to Cleveland for a first. Yes, Cleveland Rocks!
That pick, of course, became Jim Kelly. A moment of silence to digest the kick in the gut that we all felt when, almost on queue, Kelly turned around and pulled a "Cousineau" and refused to come to town. It really was the final brick in the wall. 1984 brought 2-14. 1985 brought 2-14. Darcy Regier never imagined this kind of suffering.
So, in summary... for those of you that were not around, don't remember or maybe don't care, this should give you a sense of why we lined the streets in welcome when Kelly finally came to town in 1986. The 4 Super Bowls that followed were so great and so Buffalo! I would not have missed a minute of any of this.
God bless Tim Russert's soul, and "GO BILLS!"
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8 hours ago, greenyellowred said:
In reference to Schottenheimer only, for the most part, the son or younger brother in sports sucks compared to the older one:
Marty Schottenheimer was better than Brian.
Peyton Manning is better than Eli.
Bum Phillips was better than Wade.
Wayne Gretzky was better than Keith.
Phil Niekro was better than Joe.
Joe Klecko was better than Dan.
Jim Kelly is better than Chad.
Lonzo Ball is better than LaMelo and LiAngelo.
Derek Carr being better than David, and Lane Kiffin being better than Monte are the rare exceptions. Also Stephen Curry being better than Dell Curry.
Klay Thompson, Ken Griffey Jr, Andrew Luck, Clay Matthews III, Barry Bonds, Brett Hull, Kobe Bryant and Cal Ripken would all like to apply for inclusion into your club. Archie Manning isn't quite sure what to make of it all and Nick O'Leary was last seen running from this thread with one glove on. Even Marcia Clark and Mark Fuhrman know, These Gloves Don't Fit!
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9 hours ago, gobills1212 said:
Im sorry you feel insulted, but im insulted my time was wasted by clicking on the topic to find something of interest... only to find this. It is what it is and like it or love it, now you know!
Hilarious... You are insulted that you had to waste your time clicking on a thread titled " Allen or Darnold: Who Would You Rather Have?" to see what it was about, if it was worth your time, or if it was of interest to you? What were you expecting the thread to be about, the meaning of life? In the immortal words of Mr Rodgers, RELAX! We are neighbors here, eh?
Nick O'Leary Recovering from Heart Attack
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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My personal journey agrees 100%. It was surreal when it happened, but I experienced 1st heart attack at 51 after clean stress test 2 weeks prior. Angiogram at time of attack showed 95% blockage of LAD (widow maker, the same one that took Tim Russert). After that event scared the daylights out of me, promptly lost 50 pounds in 7 months, cholesterol and BP went from high to perfect... best shape of my life and then on successive weeks, chest pain on treadmill lead my doctor to order nuclear stress test which came back clean. One week later, same thing happened again on treadmill along with a bit of shortness of breath. This time we went for the gold standard, angiogram! Showed main coronary artery blockage at 90%. Triple bypass surgery on the spot. Only thing that spotted either blockage was angiogram. 8 years later, all still good but I never feel secure when my stress tests come back clean... Godspeed Nick! Work hard, you can recover fully. Daily baby aspirin and statins... Thumbs up to the good docs of South Buffalo Mercy Hospital! Forever grateful and humbled by the experience.