Tim Tindale
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1 hour ago, tenderland said:
Cleveland loss was due to a poor play by a player who was run out of town. Yesterday was caused by ineffective coaching that will be here for the foreseeable future
That’s not what everyone was saying then. It was the ‘Bickering Bills’ year and people thought Marv lost the locker room, with some players mailing it in in Cleveland. The difference is that there wasn’t social media and 24-7 sports news turning the volume up on 11 in the aftermath like today.
What I remember about that game is that Thurman and Kelly were unstoppable, and I kept thinking these guys have to be “The Ones” that take us there.
The OP is definitely onto something, in my view. That 1988-1989 journey of learning how to win, learning to be the hunted, learning how to impose your will - feels analogous to the 2020-2021 experience. The Josh Allen I saw the last month looks like another level, a la Kelly around that same timeframe.
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Remember how many threads there were pre-2020 about Josh not being a franchise QB, especially after the Houston playoff lost.
Prescient.
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All the people that waived our linebackers and fired staff at halftime, stand up.
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Josh is a beast.
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This ridiculously absurd thread is aging well.
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AWESOME YEAR and what a fun ride! Need to add some pieces to accommodate KC’s speed as their last hurdle. So many decades of mediocrity up in smoke this year. This game had echos of 1988 when we got outmatched by Boomer, Icky Woods, and the rest of the Bengals in the ACG - young team at the skill positions still trying to gain experience in the big moments.
We will be back! BIIIIIIIIIIILS!!!
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I also thought Taron had a really big game, even sans the pick. He was all over the field last night, including a lot of support in the run game. He is an underrated tackler and wraps up well for corner; a little Antoine Winfield Sr-esque.
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Mafia. MOUNT UP.
Because Saturday night - tonight - is FIGHT NIGHT!
Let’s get it.
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How many concussions is that for Taron Johnson? At some point, that starts getting really concerning long term.
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I’d like to see the red tops with the blue pants. I think that’d be a great look...
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Is dominating a top 5 team to go 7-2 good? I honestly don’t remember what that feels like. Asking for Bills fans everywhere. I guess we can complain about the running game (doomed). Or, that Allen took and necessary hit late on a scramble (poor decision, doomed). Or, it didn’t “feel” like we had it in the bag until the last first down (can’t put teams away at home, doomed).
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On 4/6/2020 at 9:46 AM, Nihilarian said:
I don't remember it that way at all. From the day he arrived in Buffalo Jim Kelly was hailed as the new hero, savior of the team. Bills fans went nuts from day one.
Now, after that comeback game there might have been some chatter about Riech, but none from anyone I knew. Kelly was "the man" until the day he retired.
On another note, I don't see "that" much hate for Allen. Just some Bills fans that don't realize how difficult it is for a QB to fully develop in the NFL coming from a non big time college program. Like Kirk Cousins stated, it's like taking a drink from a fire hose.
Josh Allen is only two years into a team that is still rebuilding the offense and just now this off season finally found its #1 receiver. Also, I'm still not sold on Brian Daboll as the OC as there were several games in which he was clearly out coached in 2019. The offense still lacks discipline with far, far too many penalties. Very questionable play calling at times, and the offense did get better when the OC went up in the booth. I'm not sure this is the coach that should be developing a young, inexperienced QB as he has never fielded a top passing offense. Don't forget that Allen didn't even have a real QB coach his first season or a veteran QB to show him the ropes for a lot of his rookie season.
Jim Kelly came into Buffalo with WRs Jerry Butler, Andre Reed. TE Pete Metzelaars. RB Rob Riddick already on the team. In that "1984" first season, Reed caught 53 passes, Riddick 49 passes, Metz 49 passes. It took Kelly three seasons to get the Bills into the playoffs.
Reich v Kelly QB controversy:
My favorite part of the article:Yet, there was a public clamor for Reich. Two newspapers from nearby Rochester took a telephone poll that revealed a preference for Reich by a vote of 1,267 to 237.
There is definitely a “grass is greener” mentality that football fans have around their QB. That will never change.
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I’m surprised it’s a debate, but I guess I shouldn’t be. We’ve been wandering in the desert for 20 years, finally find an oasis, and some fans complain that the water isn’t Evian. Then again, in the late-1980’s/early-1990’s, the same percentage of the fanbase wanted Kelly shipped out in favor of Reich (especially after the 1989 Bickering Bills disaster).
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-12-23-sp-9648-story.html
Kelly probably would have fared worse than Allen on this poll after that 1989 season, right before four SB appearances. The quarterback gets criticism when the team doesn’t go 19-0 and laments that said quarterback isn’t Tom Brady or Joe Montana. Circle of life... ride the wave, enjoy Allen while he’s here (what a gamer), stop lamenting that we don’t have a first ballot Hall of Farmer, and remember what the 2000’s (and 1970s and most of the 1980s) were like.
On to the playoffs!
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In the NFL, I think it’s totally easy to beat a division opponent who has a new staff on the road after turning the ball over four times.
The fans nailed it...
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To be fair, both injury-prone” and “pending free agent” were true in 2017 when they acquired him from the Rams and started him anyway.
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I know EJ Gaines has had a tough time staying on the field the last three years with injuries, but he’s a beast when he is. If I recall, the Bills were 8-3 in games he started in their playoff year in ‘17 and looked like one of the best players on the defensive side of the field. Excited to see him back and would be surprised if he ends up the #2. He is still only 27.
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Jared Goff and Matthew Stafford were both dumpster fires their rookie years with numbers that look very similar, if not worse, to what Allen is putting up. In fact, I remember thinking there was no way Goff would develop into a decent QB because he had such a poor pocket presence in year 1. Drew Brees’ numbers were still really weak in year 3 with the Chargers (57 pct comp pct, 11 TD, 15 INT, 67 QBR). He didn’t break out until his 4th year.
Here is the NFL.com link to the stats of Rookie QB’s by year. There is little discernible correlation between rookie and long term success. Based on their numbers, RGIII, Mike Glennon, and Zach Mettenberger would have looked like potential Top 15 QB’s in the NFL for a long time...
i think history would show that a team has to be willing to invest the time with a QB - certainly beyond one year - to come to any real conclusions. At the very least, rookie numbers don’t tell us much of anything.
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Luck was 10 for 25 with two picks against the Bills' blitz. 16 of 24 against the base 4.
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He had four games over 50 yards receiving his rookie year. As someone mentioned, home against the Jets that year (2013) he went 6-81-1 and an additional 17 yards on a reverse, then he only had one target the entire rest of the season. Made zero sense...
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I'm not sure if I'm more shocked by the trade or that the board is so split. Shady is one of the top playmakers in the league and our defense is already elite without Alonso. We added an all-pro weapon without giving up a thing (except cap space).
I just can't over how much better this roster looks from just three or four years ago. There are all-pro players up and down the roster; this looks more like a potential playoff team than an arena league roster for the first time since the early-2000's. I think Whaley is taking some risk, but I think you have to to get a team over the hump. I think this team is starting to have the look and feel of a Seattle/San Francisco roster.
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Russell and smith are/were both sloppy turnover machines at qb that can't/couldn't read nfl defenses. I'd surprised if smith is still in the nfl in a couple years. You can't take care of the football at qb and you aren't a model citizen, you aren't worth the headache. Nothing to do with race. Btw, smith is only the second qb in history to have a qbr under 15 5 games in a row with Russell the first (last link).
Not the only one to draw the "simple-minded" comparison...
http://www.sportstalk200.com/nfl-news/geno-smith-playing-as-bad-as-jamarcus-russell/2013/
http://isportsweb.com/2013/12/04/new-york-jets-quarterback-geno-smiths-roller-coaster-rookie-year/
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Jamarcus Russell had 13 tds and 7 ints one year. The arrow was pointing up.
When a qb has 12 tds and 25 turnovers in one year and home fans were begging for Matt Simms to start, you really have to work hard to come up with "the bright side". But hey, a bills fan found it... In a jet qb.
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Geno was a dumpster fire for a qb this year. He has Jamarcus Russell written all over him.
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How about season tickets over % of people in the market area? By the way, I'm not sure where you would get the season ticket holder data for various years by team, but maybe your internet skills are better than mine.
Cleveland 1989
in The Stadium Wall
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They had Bruce, but another thing people don’t remember about the 1988-1989 seasons. This was circulating. That 1989 year was one thing after another:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-01-11-sp-260-story.html?_amp=true