dayman

Actually quite the silver lining if we stay out of the dispute and let radicals freak on each other.

You pretty much need robots doing everything

do not agree

If you think he's better off in prison than out...you are just wrong.

Just watched that heart eat video. !@#$ing freak show over there right now.

I doubt it.

The injuries are consistent with a fight. Of which clearly George took damage. All I'm saying is if you want to talk fact sand direct conclusions from them...there are few...and some are bad for George..and it isn't as if George has a ton of them that directly support anything positive for him. The location is clearly the best of what he has though. Much better than the injuries imo. Now, don't confuse my little discussion of this as to say that he won't walk. He'll clearly walk. I'm just pointing out that most of everybody's outrage, IMO, is traceable to the media and not the situation. It is not outlandish at all that this went to a jury. However, he'll likely win unless they have some stuff we are not aware of...

So it all comes back to character assassination and a general propensity argument. The wounds are evidence of a struggle....but not the important parts of GZ's story. The location of the struggle is perhaps the only actual evidence that supports anything GZ claims...and even that can be argued either way given the holes in what happened.

it is confusing the issue to point out that George described Trayvin running away on the phone as it happened?

in other words there are no facts supporting it? as you claim? simply asking....

What facts support the blanks in the story filled in by his George's story? There is evidence on the 911 call that supports a bad narrative (from his point of view) ... what stones at this point can be put on the other side of the scale? Granted all stones aren't on the table but you said there are credible facts that lead you to believe the George's story (the only story...given now when on trial for murder). Basically I'm just asking...what are they? I mean I get George's story...but that is all it is and it involves Trayvon running away and then coming back with full intent to deal a "fear for your life" type beating. And apologies you never said he was never following him you just skipped it and talked about looking for an address instead (address was mentioned on the call...but no talk of him looking for one or giving one). I thought after the chastising I was receiving for my "loaded" representation of things that seem apparent on the 911 call that your response would not be so loaded. It was effectively loaded...left me with the false impression you were denying that he was following him in first place... In any event..I still fail to see how this is completely damning for George. And I also fail to see how this is good in anyway going into trial for George. Which was my first comment in this little excursion back into this thread.

Which basically shows that the three basic things I said above are shown on this call. Nothing else is...everything else comes from George's story.

I read the 911 call and that exchange happened after he replied "yes" when asked if he was following him. 3rd at one point said .... he got out of the car to find an address to tell the police and was never following him...I do not see how the fact swork w/ this at all Exactly so the three basic pillars of what we know happen was that George was more or less hounding him including pursuing him on foot, was making comments live on the phone while doing so projecting anger of break ins at Trayvon, and Trayvon wasn't doing anything criminal and was temporarily living there...then there holes in these facts are filled in with the story of a man on trial for murder who says Trayvon ran away, then came back and started attacking him...then he shoots a minor who was doing nothing but then appeared suddenly and attacked after having run

I have not read through this entire beastly thread but what evidence backs up that he didn't get out of the car to pursue Trayvon and what evidence supports that Trayvon came out of nowhere and started violently attacking George who at that point was not trying to engage Trayvon? I understand George's story...but you are saying the evidence supports it...these are two of the more important points imo.....the 911 call he says he was following him and -while I could be missing something- I have heard of nothing other than Zimmerman's own words that suggest Trayvon ran, then came back and started fighting...

Will they let you crawl back into your bureaucratic hole after Holder subpoena's your IP after that post?

Bachman was basically the worst of the worst. I will miss her (serious). The people need whackos in power. Otherwise .... we would have no whackos in power!

Look at that dumbass who thinks there is a future in meat between bread. Loser.

In here facts = Zimerman's account. That is all there is to say.

How can any reasoned analysis of the most credible evidence available, the 911 tape, lead you to cross out the section that says he was associating past break ins, about which he was angry, with Trayvon?

Maybe he wasn't "out on watch" but he certainly went into his dutiful watch-mode. Other than that, those things happened. If you would like to ignore those facts and adopt the Zimmerman's account -the account of a man on trial for murder- as entirely fact...then be my guest.

Apparently George made all the right decisions and was labeled a racist and accused of murder for it. As detailed in the Trayvon thread by some.

egg came first

He goes out on meaningless/powerless "neighborhood watch" packing heat, gets fixated on some kid who is staying there who was doing nothing, he was apparently projecting his anger over past break ins at him based on his phone call, and then gets out of the car at some point to pursue him with his gun. THere are others possible, some which may well have occurred, soem that did not... but we will never know for sure. But that right there is several negatives that happened.

Serious and sarcastic at the same time I suppose. What part of that doesn't sound like government. They'll then tax benefit payments, which they will reimburse state trust funds for dollar for dollar. Don't read the Trayvon thread frequently and unlikely to sift through and find out what you are talking about. Give page number I'll respond.

Sounds about right.