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3rd your perception is riddled with misinformation peddled by political grand-standers in congress. Go ahead and clearly explain 1) what you actually believe could be uncovered from this investigation and 2)why this deserves so much attention beside political theater/attacks. There is no interest in actually resolving any issues here...hate to break it to you. Issa is a retard.

3rd you are the definition of an idiot. I'll say it before Tom does. Keep on fighting the good fight.

They might need a guy like Issa and his ilk to help they'll get to the bottom of this for the sake of the truth, they're not motivated by the political theater of it all in the least. It's not as if I turn on the tv and see Issa and other Republican house members grandstanding every 5 minutes...

Almost any President of note extended the power of the executive. The two most notable were Nixon and Clinton. (within modern times of course)

It would help we should probably investigate it...oh wait we are...so why are the Republican house members doing what they're doing? B/c there's some huge conspiracy where the DOJ or ATF wanted this happen? Of course not, not even you would think that. They're doing this to find anything they can that can be used as publicly as possible for political purposes.

This is about Brian Terry's family...that's what this is all about....ah I didn't realize that.

IDK that's obviously part of it but I think a lot of moms are scared shitless about kidnapping and women all over think they could be raped at any moment and people in general think they are one bad burger away from mad cow and on and on...we are paranoid...and maybe we should be IDK

Is it not safe to assume a criminal on the border killed the agent with a gun that we know was from the gun sting, one of the many guns that were lost, and they were lost b/c we !@#$ed up the gun sting?

John Adams owns you 3rd.

Just out of curiosity what do you expect to find out when this whole thing is settled?

Ah the hoopla over these document disputes...it's not unhealthy I suppose but is everyone so anti-executive? These happen with most almost every president in some capacity and w/ out a criminal indictment and judicial order it always ends the same...some sort of compromise after extensive muscle flexing...and hell even w/ a criminal indictment and court order a president may still beat it if he can assert some more specific privilege under the circumstances than Nixon did. Intergovernmental docu-battles aren't that extraordinary and it's healthy for people to want to support congress here I'm not saying it isn't it helps keep everybody in check but to get too worked up over it as if it's something extraordinary IMO just makes people seem like conspiracy theorists or on a partisan witc-hunt until proven correct. Anything is possible...but I would be shocked if this ends with anything other than a compromise and at most boring conclusions drawn from the papers that end up coming. Then again I always err on the side of the executive (no matter who it is...Bush, Obama, whoever) and some people have a different view point which is fine provided it's a philosophical one and a purely partisan one.

Easy now, don't let me get ya down just keep doing the lord's work one thread at a time and eventually I'm sure the Democrats will cease to exist. I know you aren't partisan btw you're just right about this stuff so it's all good.

3rd saving the world with one conservative blog post link at a time. Hey if you are watching MSN you may not know that Obama plays golf...you should. Thank me later.

Not that I would actually entertain the idea that fox doesn't do this regularly and spend time searching for proof that 1 + 1 = 2 ... but since the thing literally presented itself to me right when you are begging for it ... and we are hear talking nonsense anyway...here it is a very recent example from your network of choice and one that is clearly worse:'' (video at bottom) http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-skewers-fox-news-for-using-edited-obama-video-to-criticize-immigration-policy/

I'm sorry if you don't like my take on it 3rd lol but it is what it is you can disagree if you like. A quick survey of the front page shows: Andrea Mitchell Selectively Editing Romney Comments Illegal Immigration Takes Its Toll President Obama, The Biggest Spender In World Wow, Politico is Attacking The King Axelrod Attacks H.W. Bush For Playing Golf The Liberal Washington Post Attacking Obama Why Aren't The Leaks Bigger News? Healthcare Trade-Off Most topics of any poster and at least half of which are (at least titled/presented as) what I consider substanceless distraction. Almost all of which are designed to be hostile attack topics. And while you can pat yourself on the back for not wanted to throw women and doctors in jail over abortion most of your opinions...which you may well have formed on your own and not been spoon fed via conservative media IDK I don't know you....walk the party line loudly and proudly. This is what I see of you. Am I absolutely correct on this? Probably not...is it generally what I see? Yes.

I can have a beer with anyone I'm really not a confrontational person offline when it comes to this stuff and I like getting into discussion. My criticism of you from where I sit (at my computer and not at a table w/ a beer) is you are too passionate about the daily media war...that is to say the surface level "pure politics" and the media's "reaction" (which is really just functioning as designed...a for-profit wedge to separate American voters from each other based on things they are willing to pay attention to as opposed to things they should be forced to pay attention to). It's noise. It doesn't matter. And most of all it isn't surprising or interesting IMO. Now we can all discuss it from time to time but the line between politics and policy is eviscerated by daily cable news and hurts the important discussions we should have as a country and even creates a situation where people in Congress lose their damn minds too. If everyone would just fight the extremes in their own party (note: extreme does not just mean race centric people or religious fanatics...it means no-compromise "I'm definitely right" Congressional officials) and denounce them the country would be much better...but legitimizing the girly high school aspects of coverage from both sides is counter productive (I believe both sides are equally guilty...and respond to the other fueling fire). And the bottom line is people from both sides (and IMO more so on the right at the moment) could use a little humility. If ever you become so convinced you are unquestionably right about something...it should trigger some mechanism in the depths of your brain that alerts you to the fact you are probably wrong.

Considering I supported Bush through all the things that didn't even go well...safe to say no. I know it doesn't mesh with what I am supposed to be since I am no a lock and key Republican but believe it or not there are quite a few of us out there who said go into Iraq, then said ooops this is sucking, then said surge anyway got to do something, then said get out....etc etc...waterboard a few guys like we did?...not something to brag about but even if it was a mistake (which I'm not sure I even agree with) it was one I didn't get all riled up about...this is the actual world 3rd...tons of people out there who have views that mesh with both sides depending on the issue and then you vote based on the time and place and options running...this doesn't make for good "wedge media" but contrary to what you may see on TV there are actual people with individual opinions on various issues... have to say I am opposed to motor-boating it's just too babyish for the USA to engage in

Just a note since we love to put it all as liberal v. conservative...I'm seen as a heart string pulling liberal idiot here but I'm not enraged over waterboarding or drones. So there.

Keep in mind it's rarely even "us v. them" re: substantive policy.... It's "us v. them" re: retarded culture war and mainly (as here) "us v. them" re: media coverage of fluff non-informative pandering. It's basically an MTV reality show...Team Werewolf or Team Vampire...etc..

People can differ on that one issue but I think being in either of arenas during these games would be electric...def. OKC. Pretty good atmosphere IMO probably better than most NFL games.

LETS GO HEAT Agreed though OKC had a shot there and let it go

There have been some interviews that go this. The jist is Q: "was that earth" and A:"doesn't matter"...it doesn't matter if it was earth and it probably wasn't. Just show how they do it...implying they do it all over and often. Also same place you find the interview you find extra scenes from it that will be on dvd and see he's basically molded after the Mayans...they would live like a king for a year then off w/ the head as a sacrifice to the gods. The extended shots show other Engineers around him in cloaks supporting him before he does it. He knew what he was doing and he probably wasn't on earth the point was that's what they do. They create...they are engineers. IMO that first seen is not earth, but meant to imply that happened on earth at some point in time. We are their creations AND there are other creations (including aliens.) Then there's a whole question beyond that of "what do they know, what are they, how involved into ALL creation are they, and why kill us now" all for sequel.

*spoilers* Honestly that's an "unexplained thing" not a plot hole and it is known there will be a sequel. Plot holes are things like the Engineer at the end being able to apparently come get her at the end and breath in the atmosphere when we are led to believe he shouldn't be and so on...in other words ticky tack things. Most plot holes go w/ the "it's a fiction about space aliens" explanation for stuff like that etc...reasons to dislike the move are there and I don't think the hate is unfounded but if you show up ready to watch a visually compelling movie as a basic movie watcher you are right....it's good. Better than most. If you show up like a super nerd ready to pick it apart and validate every tiny thing from a 30 year old "alien" movie you will leave disappointed. It was "good but not great." And by good I think most people agree better than most movies that come out and worth seeing in the theater with the stunning 3d It's a huge "world building" (as the new term seem to be in reviews) movie and it was pretty damn good as a man who doesn't see many movies in theater it is worth the money (15 a ticket for 3d where I went). To me if you are the type of person to see this movie with expectations of liking it (scifi fan)...there is no reason not to love it unless you are a super nerd who expects movies to be perfect and everything message board warriors write over 30 years...and lets face it if those people got what they want the movie would suck.