dayman

Comparing my financial situation to the US government? Are we going to actually talk seriously here? Congressional Budget Office: By itself, setting a limit on the debt is an ineffective means of controlling deficits because the decisions that necessitate borrowing are made through other legislative actions. By the time an increase in the debt ceiling comes up for approval, it is too late to avoid paying the government’s pending bills without incurring serious negative consequences. Read more: http://business.time.com/2011/07/12/what-to-do-with-the-debt-ceiling-get-rid-of-it/#ixzz25qHen3F7

That's all there is read. It's not a "golden opportunity" ... we have to pay our bills. It's that simple. There are no golden opportunities with that. It's crazy and it doesn't matter who does it, who did it, when how or why...it's just crazy. It's unconstitutional quite frankly.

Except it ... isn't the budget. It's whether we will..pay...for...the budget...after we...ordered the meal...

Why don't you send that to your guys...or does it work one way? It's well documented the GOP's stance on how to recover from the shellacking of 2008...sit on the sidelines and B word betting the economy to crash and keeping their finger prints off it (aka doing nothing in a time of crisis) so when it was time for the next election they could point a finger and also state exactly what you are doing now: "Obama is not bipartisan." You see..when cooperation is a campaign theme the other party can single handedly break it. All that is need to examine is what is known ("known" as in fact) about the strategy meeting in late December/Early January before Obama was sworn in...all that is necessary to show it was working in action is the events leading the recovery act. Buy your parties own trash, go right ahead. You are literally the product of a political strategy.

The last situation aside let's talk about this point. 1) Congress approves spending. 2?) Congress... authorizes to pay separately? We're not going to pay? There is no logic for the debt ceiling to not automatically increase. We don't even decide to spend when it's time to pay. It's other legislative action that gives rise to the future need to pay. By the time the debt ceiling is an issue, it's too late to avoid paying w/ out "bad things" happening. It's not rational or effective in controlling spending. The spending debate is real, but the debt ceiling debate is not.

Ok well no need to continue posting. You like that the Repubs played hardball with fire and caused enough anxiety to downgrade our rating which is Obama's fault. I understand your view. End of discussion.

We'll not vote to extend the debt ceiling unless *condition, condition, condition* Hostage is a talking point? Maybe...a pretty damn accurate one. Get over your partisan hackery you can hate on Obama for all the other things you hate on Obama for...don't let it blind you and excuse the GOP when they deserve your hate. Seriously, take off your blidners

I suggest you acknowledge a few truths. 1) No matter what playing with the debt ceiling, no matter who does it, is pure retardation. It should happen automatically as it does for countries with a brain. 2) The GOP did it again, in a more serious manner than ever before. Took a hostage, demanded a ransom, played with fire and got us all burned. That is undeniable. Regardless of what you say, this is the plain story.

You are thus absolving the GOP from this by declaring "Obama bad"...in other words...you have just sanctioned ransom holding the debt limit the exact thing that was responsible for the downgrade and basically condoned the downgrade. It makes no sense. It's retarded when it's used for political purposes and it's disastrous when taken to the extreme to actually cause real anxiety in the markets. Take off your blinder brother

Politicizing something makes you unfit to lead? Well damn...I think we have a huge problem in Washington in both parties lol In any event a very real ransom and political posturing are two different things...and a downgrade is all the evidence you need. When someone takes a hostage and demands a ransom and the hostage gets shot...we all know who's fault it is. This topic is stupid. Point the finger at some other event this example is pathetic.

It's retarded to use the debt ceiling for anything. It should just be automatic that is the ONLY sane way for things to exist. In any event, retarded as it may be to posture against spending when there is no real anxiety or threat of not actually passing it to make a point known...and to actually hold ransom the debt ceiling in a very serious way that is creating all kinds of anxiety...are two different brands of stupid. By any analysis...both retarded...and one clearly way way more retarded. There is no excuse..."Obama did it in '06" is no point at all to relieve the ransom that happened plain and simple. There is no excuse. It is straight retarded. Congress buyers car. Congress tells bank not to pay dealer. Congress retarded.

Historically both parties have cast votes to signal their disapproval of majority spending, and historically each time any one of them did they were rather retarded. It has been raised countless times in it's history usually as a matter of course and actually automatically for much of that time (just as it is in basically every advanced country)...b/c ya know "the validity of the US debt shall not be questioned" is in that document they're all pledged to uphold. So tell me again, why were did the Repubs one up even previous idiocy and play games with it when it actually could be stopped by them?

Can anyone explain to me why the debt ceiling is appropriate to debate in the first place. Not trying to be snarky but let's get down the crux of it here. To sit here and put this on Obama we should first address what "it" is...and "it" is insane.

Oh, Tom (non Obama supporter acknowledging) that it can't be magically fixed? Wow. Hehe. In any event as I've said over and over until we write down some mortgage debt it's not coming back plain and simple.

I don't know that. He gave a strong speech, reminded the people who he is, encouraged them to take ownership of the movement etc....they necessarily have to walk a fine line b/c as we all know you can't just rail on positive-overkill when we are still working to get back to where we feel good. He has to give a more "mature" vibe and he did that well. It was a strong speech by any standard...and a good one for a Obama (although he's given some great ones so not a great one for him)...it certainly will look good if a hypothetical non-political undecided compares it side by side to Romney.

Clinton and Obama split the division of labor well so Obama could give the message of this campaign and Clinton could defend the record. Only Clinton can make a policy oriented defense/compare and contrast speech rival and surpass and Obama barn burner hehe. Obama gave a great Obama speech though....but we've heard Obama quite a bit. All in all very strong convention. Very well done

For people who hate Obama it was an Obama speech. To people who like Obama it was a great speech. To undecideds ... it didn't hurt

Solid enough by Biden's own standards I suppose hehe

Biden is a black preacher

Joe officially unleashed

That was the Kerry equivalent of opening up a can

lol kerry throwing zingers

Kerry came out w/ his head on fire. Speaking like an angry man...

hehe...have the chuckle about seeing Rob rail against PBS throughout all the conventions ... just about the only one in America watching PBS for convention coverage Montana Gov is a hilarious guy Charlie giving the finger to the GOP hehe...each party loves their traitors