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Ryan "including traditional medicare"...not true..taking after Mitt here

Ryan is getting killed on this stimulus

Biden's oversight of the stimulus spending was one of the greatest oversight in gov't spending history...Biden should talk about this. I'm being serious whatever you think of the Stimulus as a concept, it was executed well.

LMFAO they're going back and forth w/ car accident stories now?!

Unfortunately that's the tickets take on it I fear...hope I'm wrong.

lmfao I don't care what people have got to say...I'm loving Joe. He's Joe, but he doing "good for Joe" right now

That meter is an abdication of their responsibility to cover the debate. Literally...take the most idiotic amongst us and they'll score in real time? Jesus. Either way....I'm in awe with Ryan's gameplan on talking about Iran...jesus

This watered down sanctions bit he's fixated on is unbelievable This really is a bunch of "stuff" flying out of Ryans mouth right now...very weak on Iran. My God...

There ya go Joe....please...currency riots on the streets of Iran and Ryan is talking about soft sanctions...

This administration watered down sanctions on Iran............wow

If I was against deficit spending and adding entitlements...i would vote...republican? I'll refrain from the obligatory woman joke

It's well put by that FDR video now trending all over the internet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3RHnKYNvx8

It just doesn't pay for itself. That philosophy is just wrong. Right time right place it can add to growth, yes, but 6.8T isn't going to come from growth and loopholes. It's not a serious position, to complain endlessly about deficits and demand 20% across the board cuts and explode the military budget more. You can say "I don't like Obama" for whatever reason, but it's stupid to run around pretending Romney has put forth some sort of reason to believe he's got any answers to anything.

he's going to walk out in chians

Btw 3% alluded to above not correct, but the point stands....these tax cuts will pay for themselves (and an additional $2T) b/c they always do and always have?

lol...of course nobody cares...this debate is for fun...and w/ these two...I think it will be

So when he goes on Sunday shows and 60 minutes and says he isn't cutting taxes on the rich, he just means he isn't cutting the full 20% on the rich. And the 3% of small business effected (idk about this number but they appeared to have stipulated to this in the last debate) will decide to hire enough people they apparently need (even though they otherwise wouldn't hire them) to combine with "loopholes" to offset $4.8T (plus $2T military increase if it suits your fancy)? This is the what we're going with to fix that debt clock at the convention?

that should be a "finish your drink"

fixed

Being purposefully misleading about the policies you run on during the election is not a strategy Presidents use a whole lot in the past brother. It will be interesting to see what Ryan does though. B/c whether you love or hate him...that guy knows what he advocates and says it. Can he do so tonight following the last debate? If he is allowed to, Biden can highlight the last debate. If can't, he can't be himself and won't do well.

Can Biden curl like this? Thought not. Game over old man

That's a clarification? And supply side GOPers expect this to spur growth how?

No b/c the truth (regardless of the propaganda some on the right like to spew) is that Obama, and Romney if he were elected, would like to try and work this way. It won't happen. B/c the problem isn't the President. The problem is the parties. So anytime someone says that b/c Mitt was Governor of Mass so he somehow can fix partisanship in Washington...they sound (respectfully speaking) like a huge idiot.

Let me ask you, and I'm not here to claim Mitt is some demon-like man ready to transform the country into the hunger games. Is Washington a game of parties? What part of GOP push does Mitt repudiate and what makes you think it/when has he shown that. Then, how is Mitt somehow uniquely equipped to install a bipartisan cooperative culture in Washington? I'm not using this against him, b/c no 1 person can. Sadly, not even the President with the power of the bully pulpit. But you aren't going to sit down with those "across the aisle" and say "I want to cut taxes 20%, continue to increase military spending like always, cut PBS and planned parenthood, repeal Obamacare and replace with "something" that doesn't address people who can't get coverage b/c of preexisting injuries, and on and on"...and then say "I was Governor of Mass...so I'm bartisan so lets do it."

• If Ryan uses his mother as an example to pitch Romney's Medicare plan, take a drink. • Every time Biden inappropriately uses the word "literally," take a sip. • If the war in Afghanistan, now entering its 12th year, is mentioned, take a drink. • On Medicare, if either candidate mentions the figure $716 billion, chug two drinks. • If either candidate alludes to the historic age gap between them, which places Joe Biden in the Senate when Paul Ryan was only 2, take two drinks. ...ok...we're doing it...Biden is going to "literally" kill us tonight