hondo in seattle
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Not against that defense...IMHO.
Point taken.
FWIW - Pro Football Focus rated our line's performance against the Jets as follows (from left to right):
Overall Performance:
Glenn -0.5
Urbik -0.6
Wood -5.9
Pears -2.1
Henderson +0.5
Pass Blocking:
Glenn +0.4
Urbik +0.4
Wood 0.0
Pears -0.6
Henderson +0.9
Run Blocking:
Glenn -1.1
Urbik -1.1
Wood -6.0
Pears -1.6
Henderson -0.6
There also are grades for penalties. The tackles were +0.2 and the others were 0.1
Curious to see Henderson with the highest overall grade.
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I'm no expert on grading linemen, but isn't allowing pressure on 12% of pass plays a bad thing?
If all five OL gave up pressure 12% of the time (assuming no overlap for the sake of argument), Orton would have guys on him 60% of the time.
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9-7 same as preseason prediction. 3-1 next four games, loss @ Miami, 1-3 final four, win over Oakland. Post season will be close, could take a win in NE to go 10-6 to do it.
If we go 3-1 over the next four games as you and others predict, we'll be 8-4.
Do you think maybe the players (and coaches) then start to take it up a notch because they can smell the preseason? Sometimes teams catch a fire and start to roll.
If we can go 3-1 and then 2-2, this would be a very fun season.
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What makes Terry Bradshaw an expert other than the fact he has an arm? It takes more than having "been there" or seen it.
I'll play devil's advocate.
I spent the better part of a year in Saudi Arabia. While that doesn't make me an expert, it does mean I know more about the place than someone who has never been there.
Bradshaw played for 14 seasons, including 4 SB wins. He's covered the NFL for an additional 30 years. I don't know if this makes him an "expert," but he certainly knows more about football than the average fan.
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I live down around NYC.
The media and most fans are extremely confident they win this game. I just don't like the circumstances. The Jets have lost 6 games in a row against a bunch of tough teams and they just came off a bad loss in which they outplayed the Patriots in New England. They are pissed. They aren't that bad a football team and I don't think the Bills are that good a football team.
It spells Loss for the Bills and a Win for the Jets.
Hopefully I'm wrong come 4:30 tomorrow.
With that said if the Jets lose tomorrow I think the wheels come off on the season as you wont even see them playing hard and they'll be lucky to win 4 games the rest of the year.
Huh? How can any team with a 1-6 record and a QB who seems color blind at times be confident of any game?
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I've predicted a Bills win every game this year. So I'm 4-3 which, I guess, is slightly better than random luck!
I also predicted the Bills would have a poor OL this year. Sadly, that prediction seems pretty accurate thus far.
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It's curious that two teams with such different W-L records have such similar production.
Rank, Offense (Yards Gained)
Bills 22
Jets 26
Rank, Defense (Yards Allowed)
Jets 8
Bills 10
The Bills score about 19.3 points a game while the Jets give up about 26.4 points per game. Splitting the difference, the Bills should score about 23.
The Jets score about 17.3 points per game while the Bills allow about 20.3 points per game. The Jets should therefore score about 19.
Given the Jets are the home team (about a 3 point advantage), this game's more-or-less a toss up.
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I think the problems are both physical and mental.
Unfortunately, the physical part can't be fixed till the offseason. Hopefully Whaley signs some OL FAs and/or finds some studs in the draft.
The mental part worries me. Our HC is an ex NFL lineman. Yet he, Hackett and Pat Morris together can't eliminate the mental mistakes?
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Wildcard
I know it is early but right teams are losing every week. Example Chargers, Texans, Bengals, Browns. These are all potential wild card teams that should continue their downward spiral if you look at their schedules.
Division
The Patriots have a void of a roster due to injuries. Maybe we dont match up well against them because let's face it they still own us, but other teams do. I fully expect them to lose 3-4 out of their next 6 with the toughest stretch in the NFL during that time. The Dolphins are their own worst enemy and will never be winners with Tannehill. The Jets are out of it.
Buffalo
I started saying it right after we lost to the Patriots when i looked at our schedule that the Division will be ours this year. We now have a competent QB which is what we were lacking. His chemistry with Sammy and the others will continue to grow. Our only real problem area our O-line should only get better w Ubrik starting again.
I couldn't stand when the media started hopping on the Browns bandwagon 2 weeks ago. I knew they were a farce again due to a simple lack of talent. So expect the media to jump on board a bit after we beat the Jets and alot when we slap K.C around and we are 6-3. The only difference is we actually have the talent that most teams lack. When was the last time we could say that? Let's go Buffalo!
I love the optimism man but was a competent QB really the one thing we were lacking? Cuz I thought we were also lacking...
* consistent play from our defensive secondary.
* even average play from our interior offensive line.
* good coaching from our OC.
* healthy running backs.
But if we do indeed make it to 5-3 at the halfway mark, I'll start thinking playoffs with you.
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His highlight reel is impressive but unless Marrone and the other coaches work miracles with the offensive line this week, Brown just isn't going to have the same kind of running lanes he saw in Philly.
CJ and Freddy are both 1,000 yard backs. But they haven't found any room to run this year. Why would Brown be different? Is he faster than CJ? Stronger or more determined than Freddie?
My only hope is that Marrone, an ex lineman himself, seems super motivated to improve the OL and get the running game going. But I don't know how much he can do in one week with our personnel.
It's an old Bills refrain but when it comes to the OL and the running game, I keep thinking, "Wait till next year."
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https://www.nfl.appl...5&CurrentPage=1
Head of Marketing job for NFL UK. Has some interesting statistics in the job description. They are pushing very very hard to get a team there.
Great find with some interesting info about how important the NFL considers the London/UK market...
"Outside the US, the UK is the NFL's most important market, and has experienced explosive growth over the past five years..."
"The London office consists of 20 people under the leadership of the Managing Director..."
"Reporting to the Managing Director, the Head of Marketing will be responsible for driving engagement with the NFL brand and delivering substantial growth of the UK fan base..."
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Unforced errors.. bad throws/ How did the O Line do?/ What mistakes are on the O-Line.. what ones are not?
I watched the NFL rewind all 22 and here is my unofficial count of how the O-Line did / How Kyle did on every pass play ( I may have missed a snap or two here.. but this should be 95% accurate)
DISCLAIMER ( I am not a coach, I don't know the hot reads or route combinations called.. this is just my educated perception of what happened on each pass play)
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TOTAL PASS PLAYS - 46 snaps ( last week was 41 .. The Bills having 40+ pass attempts again. Clearly the script has flipped in 2014 compared to 2013)
LINE BREAKDOWN - 13 snaps or 28% of pass plays ( defined as - O-Line clearly messed up and Kyle did not have a moment to throw after hitting the last step of his drop.. last week was 26% so pass protect was slightly worse this week)
SUFFICIENT PROTECTION; 33 snaps or 72% of pass plays ( defined as O-Line did sufficient job and Kyle hit the last step of his drop and had a moment to throw).
UNFORCED KYLE ERRORS: - 5 snaps or 10 % of pass plays where he had time ( unforced error defined as Kyle having time and having unforced accuracy issues/ or taking bad sacks... last week it was 6 snaps or 15 %)
Bottom Line:; Of the 12 incompletions only 4 were on Orton. He had 2 drops and the other 6 were due to pressure/ coverage. Orton is very consistent week to week.. this week was nearly a carbon copy of last week and the week before ( except for the 2 bad turnovers that were his fault). The O Line was worse than last week in pass protect. Glenn and Richardson got beat by the same stunt 3 times in the 4th quarter. Orton generally handled the pressure well.. he had at least two plays where he hung in there, got smacked in the face but delivered a completion. The INT was totally on him... plenty of time.. bad throw. Of the 5 unforced errors only 2 were egregiously bad throws.. one error was an unnecessary check down.
PLAYS OF NOTE
Q2 - sack in Red Zone on Eric Wood
Q2 - Orton takes big hit in the face on blitz but delivers to Sammy
Q3 - Orton takes hit ( Richardson beat) but still delivers to Sammy
Q3 - Fumble in red zone – Totally on Orton.. good protection .. tried to do too much.. should have eaten the ball .. gave away at least 3 points there
Q3 - Sack - Glenn and Richardson beat on stunt
Q4 - Sack - Glenn and Richardson beat on same exact stunt
Q4 - QB hurry – Glenn and Richardson beat on same exact stunt again
Q4 - Sack - Richardson beat
Q4 - Sack - both Tackles beaten ( Henderson beaten worse)
As a side note: Richardson was absolutely horrendous in pass protection - he needs to be benched
Great work! The stats on the OL impact are disheartening - though not surprising.
Bocephuz, I doubt if you have time to do this but it would be awesome if we could get comparative data on other QBs. Are Orton's numbers, when you break them down like this, comparatively good? Or weak?
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Well, those stats kinda bear that out.
Again, if you think 19 points per game is fine, more power to you. I'd love to see a 30 point game and I could care less how many yards passing Orton has. Just put points on the board. The defense is going to break down if we keep asking them to win games.
We haven't averaged 30 per game since Kelly retired. But is it Orton's fault? Or the fault of the interior line? Or the OC?
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I know the Bills is 4-3 and my Jets ain't doing so good but you have to dig a little. The Jets just pretty much beat the Patriots at their place and the Patriots smacked you guys around all day in your quaint little home park there. It is going to get ugly in the big city and you will probably get more players hurt when the Jets start pounding.
It is to bad to cuz I hate the Patriots and I don't really mind the Bills. The Jets might be far enough behind to not catch the Patriots and the Bills is sure gonna lose a lot more games.
I think getting Percy helps but 10-6 is the best we can do and I think we might lose one more game so 9-7 is probably our record. At least Geno is getting good. I feel bad for you guys that Kyle Orton sucks so bad and EJ is washed up when you coulda had Geno. I might go to the game and don't want to laugh at you guys but I think the game will be funny.
P.S. J-E-T-S Jets JEts JETS.
Spags, you're a good guy but "probably" 9-7 ? Really?
And you're blatantly showing your blinded fandom when you say "Geno is getting good." I'd still rather have EJ than Geno and EJ's our 2nd stringer because Orton is much better than either of the youngsters.
And you're relying on Harvin to turn the team around? Here in Seattle they're happy to be rid of his cancerous attitude. In fact, the Hawks would have release him outright if the Jests hadn't ponied up for a player no one else wants.
I'll be rooting for the Jests the next time you play the Pats or Fins but I don't see you winning next week against a better Bills team.
As always, thanks for stopping by.
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McKelvin's lack of ball skills used to drive me batty. Too often we've seen the guy have good position and allow the catch anyway. But two picks in the same game and now leading the league in INTs? Congrats to Leodis!
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Hopefully, Bryce Brown will channel his inner Roland Hooks and seize the opportunity...
I used to use a pic of Hooks as my avatar. Let's hope Brown scores 4 TDs against the Jets like Hooks did against the Bengals one game. Or he leads us to a win like Hooks did against the Pats with back-to-back remarkable catches in the closing seconds of the game.
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You will never see one post about me cryign about 300 yards. It's a silly bench mark. EJ had like 296 in one game last year. 4 yards would make it that much better? Nonsense.
Rodgers had like 150 and helped GB score 5 tds against Minnesota. That's real production.
It's not all on Orton. But it needs to get much better. Scoring points against a Ryan defense would be a good start.
This should be a playoff team. Anything else and this season is a failure.
What helps your team more:
10 of 17 for 150 yards and 1 TD.
or...
20 of 34 for 300 yards and 2 TDs?
In terms of passer rating, they're identical. But in the real world, the quarterback with the 2nd line is more productive and contributing more to the team's success. You gotta move the ball up and down the field to score and the 2nd QB is doing that.
That's why 300 yards is a benchmark.
EJ's 296 yard game was a good game. The fact he missed getting 300 by 4 yards is meaningless. We'd all be thrilled if EJ could throw for 296 yards every time he took the field. The problem is that - so far at least - he can't. Or even close. He's young and still (hopefully) learning but thus far he hasn't been very productive.
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I've been seeing/hearing a lot of Kyle Orton hating, both on this forum and on WGR, and I'm curious as to where all of the hate is coming from. Over the past three weeks, Orton has averaged 297 yards, 1.66 TDs, and 1 INT per game. If you extrapolate his numbers over an entire 16 game season, he would finish with 4,750 yards, 27 TDs and 16 INT.
So, with that being said, I don't get how anyone can say that he's even been average. Honestly, Orton has performed like a borderline top 10 QB over the past 3 weeks, and he's done this while being with the team for less than 2 months.
Over the past three weeks, Orton has put up those numbers with terrible o-line play, and no running game to speak of. And then to top it off, he's done all of this against three top 10 pass defenses (based on YPG, 2 top 10 defenses if you go by passer rating against). Also, in regard to his turnovers, he's on pace for 16 INTs. Romo, Luck, both Mannings, Roethlisberger, Stafford, Rivers and Brees have all had 18+ INT seasons. So, does that mean that they're all average QBs?
Oh, and not to mention, the Bills are 2-1 under Orton, and in both games he played some of his best football when it mattered the most to lead the Bills to wins. So, lets hear it, why should I be underwhelmed with Orton's performances over the past three weeks?
You shouldn't be underwhelmed or surprised. Orton sucked his first year in the NFL but has gotten progressively better since. Signing him is proving to be one of Whaley's better moves.
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On a related issue, who gets more carries this week: Bryce or Boobie?
Boobie's supposedly been dressing - and Brown has not - because Dixon plays ST.
With both dressed, which one does Hackett, Marrone actually like more in the backfield?
Brown is averaging 4.6 ypc for his career.
Dixon, a short yardage specialist, is averaging a mere 2.5 though he's picking up 3.9 as a Bill.
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I'm surprised by the pessimism.
Yep, the Jets are better than their record. But their record is 1-6. Despite their strengths, they pretty adept at finding ways to lose. Despite our weaknesses, we've found ways to win more often than not so far this season.
And, yes, the interior of our OL isn't good. But that isn't news. We've been worried about this since camp. Somehow, we're still 4-3.
Because of the matchups, I think both teams will find it challenging to move the ball but I'll go with the Bills in a low scoring affair.
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I never feel embarrassed by a win.
This is football. Lots of games are won by grit, determination... and defense.
We committed four turnovers and still won. Somebody did something right.
I've too often seen the Bills find ways to lose. How exciting to see them find a way to win at the end!
Go Bills!
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From a Seattle message board:
"Danny O'Neil is talking about it on KIRO right now and is speculating that it may have something to do with the fact that Percy hasn't been practicing the past few weeks, basically he's saying that it may be an attitude thing."
http://forums.twobil...er/page__st__40
(Thanks to Smooth for the link).
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Marrone also said he was going to hire coordinators with thorough NFL experience and then hired Hackett the very next day whose highest coaching title in the NFL was Offensive Quality Control.
Marrone likes to talk a big game but he really has no clue what to do.
The pathetic part is that we don't study and watch film for a living and we could probably be doing a better job. Sad.
This is comical. Certainly Marrone and Hacket open themselves to criticism. But none of us know half of what you need to know to be a successful OC in the NFL.
It's often true that outsiders think they can do some job better than the insiders. It's rarely true.
The question isn't whether Hackett knows the OC better job better than the average fan. He does. The question is can he do it better than the 31 other OCs in the NFL. He can't. At least not yet.
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The old adage, "Game are won in the trenches" still has some validity.
Our own defensive trench guys are (usually) keeping us in games. But our offensive trenchmen limit our ability to run or throw.
Geno's passer rating was 0.0...
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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It didn't look like the Bills were ready for Vick to be under center. Contain broke down often. I think the Jets were the first team to break 100 yards rushing against the Bills and Vick lead the way with about 70.