hondo in seattle
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Clearly we need to go after the best FA (or tradeable) QB available.
But what about the draft? Do we draft a QB? Or a couple of guards? QB and OL draft picks not mutually exclusive of course but Whaley will need to prioritize.
Personally, I'd rather draft some guards. Whoever lines up under center needs a running game and time to throw. I'm hoping for better but I'd be planning on EJ.
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According to the National Bureau of Economic Research, about 20% of the population is sexually attracted to their own gender.
But who cares which players are gay and which are not? Why does it matter?
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Orton didn't have the talent or swagger to make any of us give up our Jim Kelly nostalgia. But when was the last time a QB left Buffalo with a winning record?
I was an Orton fan for as long as he wore Buffalo colors. Now that his day has passed, I wish him well.
Let's hope next year's QB - whoever it may be - also delivers a winning record.
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Where you going to find 5 Pro Bowl linemen?
If a man could dream.... We would run 30 or 40 times a game. EJ would only have to throw maybe 15 times and he'd be doing it from a clean pocket.
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I'd love to see Schopp as the HC or GM of a NFL team for a year or two.
As long as it wasn't the Bills, it would a very amusing experiment.
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Whether we all like or hate Orton, or whether you love or hate EJ, I think we can all agree that what you say here is correct.
There is no doubt about that whatsoever. I am not sure of Orton's career earnings or well he has managed his money, but he obviously wanted to pad his retirement nest egg with 1 more big pay day this year and he most certainly did not want to live the rest of his life with a messed up knee or whatever.
While this is not exactly the Jim Kelly Warrior school of football or a particularly likable move on Orton's part, you can see what he was doing and why. I still don't like it though.
Everybody retires eventually.
Orton leaves Buffalo with a winning record. Sadly, not many former Buffalo QBs can say that.
I wish him well.
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Unless there is some miraculous improvement in EJ's play, I really doubt it.
It's so early in the prediction game, what other guess makes more sense? Cutler? Glennon? Sanchez?
I don't think you need to project "miraculous" improvement to end up with EJ as a starter. Lots of young QBs get better. EJ's QB rating in his career so far (78.5 with 15 starts) is better than Drew Bree's QB rating in his first season as a starter (76.9 with 16 starts). Drew got better, why can't EJ?
And then there's the matter of competition. How many FA QBs out there are better than EJ? How many QBs in the draft this year could come in and start right away?
I'm not saying I'd be happy seeing EJ under center opening day, but I don't think KD's prediction is horribly unlikely. In fact, it's hard to think of a more likely scenario.
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Sucks that a 9-7 season after 3 straight 6-10 seasons is looked upon so badly but this Bills team should have been a 10-11 game winner despite their shortcomings.
The old adage is still true; Games are won and lost in the trenches. Our offensive trench sucked.
Looking at the talent Whaley and Nix assembled, this seems like a 9-7 team. Our coaches didn't help the players over-achieve but I can't say they underachieved much either.
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Hacket has got to go. IMO he is the reason this team did not make the playoffs. They lost too many winnable games because of poor play calling and misuse of personnel on offense. Get a proven OC and this is a playoff team with no other changes.
I'm not a Hackett fan and would love to see him replaced.
But we all have to admit that he wasn't given a lot to work with. That OL made it very hard to establish a run or pass game. The lack of the confidence in the OL affected the play-calling as well as the decision-making of the QB.
We'd all maybe have a higher opinion of Hackett if he had been given a competent OL and an experienced QB who had been here through camp.
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Before people post "he's garbage" look up his career first. I only copied the NFL positions as it would have been too long (I don't know why this is blackened as I made sure it was off bold so sorry guys). Look at his success in Cleveland, San Francisco, Arizona, Oakland, and Detroit. He has a track record of success going back to the 80's. As an aside, I always look up people's past before I comment on it if I don't know it very well.
In my opinion, he would be an excellent upgrade over Hackett, and this team would have two very experienced coordinators, and make it much easier for Marrone to lead his team. i believe the players respect and play hard for Marrone. I may not agree with all of his decisions, but by dumping our inexperienced OC, or just demoting Hackett as he is still so young and let him work his way up the ladder like it's supposed to happen. This happened in Tampa as well with Raheem Morris being promoted far before his time, and he paid the price. Hackett could still take a position coach's position, and show success there.
So bottom line is I'm all in as i've been stating for a long time, i want a very experienced well documented OC who can handle the job. Trestman would be perfect.
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Trestman moved to the National Football League and coached running backs with the Minnesota Vikings in 1985 and 1986. He served as quarterbacks coach first with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 1987 and then the Cleveland Browns in 1988. InCleveland he again coached Kosar and the team finished 10–6 and made the playoffs. His promotion to offensive coordinatorin 1989 was made before the team named Bud Carson as Marty Schottenheimer's successor as head coach.[6] Kosar passed for 3,533 yards and 18 TDs that season, while wide receiver Webster Slaughter had a franchise record 1,236 receiving yards. Trestman was dismissed after the Browns' third loss in the AFC Championship game in four years, primarily due to his strained relationship with Carson.[6]
In 1990, Trestman returned to Minnesota as quarterbacks coach for the Vikings. He spent two years there and then left coaching for three years, and worked in the municipal bond sale during that timespan.[5]
He returned to the NFL in 1995 as quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator with San Francisco, where he served in that capacity through 1996. The first year he was in San Francisco, the team led the NFL with 457 points scored, 644 pass attempts and 4,779 passing yards.
Trestman joined the Detroit Lions as quarterbacks coach in 1997. That year Lions quarterback Scott Mitchell passed for 3,484 yards, fourth most in team history.
In 1998 he was with the Arizona Cardinals as quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator. That year quarterback Jake Plummer threw for 3,737 yards, and the Cardinals made the playoffs for the first time since 1982 and won their first post season game in 51 years.
He next went to the Oakland Raiders in 2001 as the quarterbacks coach. In 2002 he was promoted to offensive coordinator and the Raiders led the NFL in total offense with 389.8 yards per game and passing yards with 279.7 per game. Under Trestman's guidance, Raiders QB Rich Gannon won the 2002 NFL MVP award as the Raiders reachedSuper Bowl XXXVII, losing to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Trestman spent the 2004 season with the Miami Dolphins before returning to the college ranks (see above).
In 2007, Trestman spent time with the New Orleans Saints as a consultant for Head Coach Sean Payton.[7]
Great resume.
Cutler is a coach-killer.
I'd love to have Trestman replace Hackett (or complement him). I don't want Cutler.
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I don't want Cutler. Then again, I don't want anyone else who's available.
Can we play without a QB?
Oh, that's the problem. So maybe we ought to look at Cutler.
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Kyle Orton went 7-5 without a running attack and without time to throw. Orton wasn't great but he was better than what we saw in EJ earlier in the season.
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The practical questions are these: Is Glennon better than EJ? Is he better than the other FA QBs?
If Glennon was a HOFer, he wouldn't be available. Let's be honest, we're dumpster diving because that's the position we're in.
But it seems to me, unless we find some guards, we need a fleet-footed QB who can run for his life. That's not Glennon.
This is going to be a tough off-season for Whaley.
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Good. He wasn't the long-term answer and this ensures the Bills aren't tempted to just stick with him.
I'm sure this is a popular sentiment but I disagree.
Whatever his limitations, right now Orton is the best QB on the roster. We can't be sure we'll find anyone better than him during the off-season, or even as good as him.
I don't think Orton's retirement inspires Whaley to look any harder for a QB because I think he was going to look hard anyway. It's going to be an interesting off-season.
Good luck to Kyle.
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Only if we get a new OC who knows what to do with him.
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I usually watch the Bills games at a local sports bar with the Bills Backers of Seattle, if not on my own TV. Today , however, I listened to WGR online while doing some work at my desk.
But I couldn't stand the negativity of the post-game show - any positive caller was treated like an idiot. I really wanted to bask in a win in Gillette Stadium and our first winning season in 10 years. Instead I heard a bunch of whining.
Yep, the Bills victory today was against a team that wasn't putting forth their best effort. Yep, our offense has been horrible this year. But we went out with a win today and only 12 of 32 NFL clubs finished the season with a better record. It wasn't the season we all wanted but neither was it the season many of us feared.
Personally, I found the post-game whining annoying and turned the radio off (and I'm not a person who's easily annoyed).
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This is absurd. Pegula's credibility is at stake here. He absolutely must do something to build on the excitement his purchAse created.
His credibility with who? With you?
I don't think the players will lose faith in the Pegulas if they give Whaley and Marrone more than 2 years to turn the team around. I don't think fellow owners will blink an eye. A few fans might be pissed - but not pissed enough to damage revenues.
No one remembers what Ralph did back in 1960. No mistakes he made back then permanently ruined his credibility.
Terry has built up a solid reputation in business over the course of decades. He saved the Bills, keeping them in Buffalo. He's got tons of credibility and retaining a coach another year won't change that.
And, personally, I'm not convinced that Whaley and Marrone don't deserve another year. Though if I was Terry, I'd ask them both some hard questions about their plans for 2015, especially on the offensive side of the ball.
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That's a ridiculous question. Whaley gave us a top 3 defense in the NFL. What has Marrone given us again?
A top 3 defense in the NFL.
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I don't buy this line of thought at all. Jauron and Gailey were simply not authentic head coaches. They were coordinators who got the job because they were the "last stop" choices.
Take the Vikings as an example. They had Leslie Frazier and before that Brad Childress. Two coordinators who were not authentic head coaching material. They now have Mike Zimmer who looks very much like an authentic head coach who will be there 10 years.
The Bills have a head coach who was never even a successful NFL coordinator. He's clearly not the answer. They need to find that authentic 10 year head coach and there's no sense in waiting a year on a head coach who literally has had no success on offense which is the very problem of the Buffalo Bills.
What's an "authentic" head coach?
Apparently the Browns didn't think Belicheck was an "authentic" head coach and was instead just a coordinator who, as per the Peter Principle, was promoted to the level of his incompetence. Our friends in Boston might have a different opinion.
Apparently neither the Pats nor the Jets considered Pete Carroll an "authentic" head coach. Here in Seattle, fans would disagree.
Sometimes coaches need time to grow into their roles and fully implement their systems. John Wooden, to offer up a b-ball example, needed 16 years to perfect his approach to coaching before winning his first national championship. But then he won 10 championships in 12 years.
Sometimes coaches need better talent suiting up.
Oftentimes, owners, GMs and fans are too impatient with their HCs.
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Since Urbik was freed from Marrone's idiotic doghouse, the oline has been average. Not great but average. Orton makes them look worse than they are because he holds the ball too long or falls the second a defender breathes on him. Also, predictable playcalling hurts them. Defenses are teeing off because our calls are so easy to guess.
Actually Orton gets the ball out in 2.32 seconds (if memory serves), third fastest of qualifiers in the NFL.
With or without Urbik, this OL has been awful. Maybe less awful with him, but still horrid.
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Polian will come here in what capacity?
Bringing back Levy didn't bring back the glory of those 90s Bills. I'm not sure bringing back Polian will either.
Polian's old, Whaley's young. I don't see Polian as the long term leader of the franchise. If Polian comes in as a special adviser to the Pegulas, it could potentially be a good thing. (And potentially disruptive). I'm not confident that Polian coming to replace Whaley would be good for the Bills.
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OK, which Bills coach of the past 12 years was run out of town too soon and was on the brink of success here? Which ones have succeeded elsewhere after being sacked by the Bills? Same question regarding GMs.
DJ was an OC short of having a good coaching staff. Chan was a DC short.
Neither had a lot of player talent and may have won with more time and a better FO.
What makes Marrone interesting is that his biggest struggles are in his area of expertise.
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Estro makes a good point. But it's an old point wrapped in different statistics. Even the casual fan knows the offense sucks. You don't need any statistics to see that.
I really don't think the Pegulas need to read this. I'd be shocked if their analysis isn't far, far more detailed than what Estro provided us.
But it is kind of interesting to see 2011 and 2012 and compare them to 2013-2014.
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A few thoughts about this article and the OL...
When Rob Johnson was our QB, we all expected sacks because he held onto the ball too long. But Orton is getting rid of the ball in 2.32 seconds - third fastest in the NFL. And yet he's still hurried, hit or sacked on 38.2% of his dropbacks - 6th highest in the NFL. As quickly as Orton is getting the ball out, it's still not quick enough. Our OL is simply porous.
This may explain why Orton misses wide open receivers. He's trying to get rid of the ball as fast as he can to avoid the hurry/hit/sack.
Earlier this year the OL apologists were blaming the lack of run productions on the backs. Specifically, they were saying that the OL is opening holes but CJ isn't hitting him due to his supposed lack of peripheral vision. However, neither Freddy nor Bryce nor Boobie have found room to run this year either. The OL just doesn't create running lanes.
Someone suggested that we fans all act like we have Ph.Ds in OL play. I admit I don't know the finer points of life in the trenches. But after 40 years of watching football, I do know that QBs getting sacked and RBs running into a wall of defenders are bad things. We've seen a lot of bad things this year. In the run game, as in the pass game, the play of this line is indefensible.
The question remains how much you can blame the coaches - from Pat Morris on up - for the poor play of the OL? It's hard as a fan to really answer this question. But when you see our offensive linemen lose one-on-one battles again and again you know that individual talent is a huge part of the problem.
So I personally don't know how good an OC Hackett can be, or how good a QB Orton can be, for the Bills. This line is historically bad which makes it hard to make a fair evaluation of the QB or OC.
Russ Brandon and Marrone's Opt-Out Clause
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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To ask for an opt-out clause with a 3 day window in the event of an ownership change seems like reasonable request.
Russ probably agreed to it because not only was it reasonable, it was also unlikely to be exercised. How many HCs actually quit? Three days doesn't give Marrone a lot of opportunity to explore options.