hondo in seattle
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Polling random, anonymous execs is a better methodology than polling random, anonymous lawn bowling fans, but still far from perfect.
Some of these so-called "executives" aren't going to be very familiar with Josh. Maybe they're an NFC guy whose team hasn't played Josh in a while. Maybe their executive position is "Director of Marketing," and they've never played a down of football and can't tell the difference between a nickel and a dime.
The perfect evaluator would be a football savant who's watched every play of every game. And if you consider leadership an important leadership skill like I do, then the evaluator needs to attend every practice, film session, huddle, and so on.
I don't take QB rankings seriously, even when NFL executives are voting.
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37 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:
Tyrod would be ineligible since he was the one that ended the draught.
I think people on here are kinda sleeping on Drew Bledsoe. Guy had his weaknesses for sure, but if you put him on the all-draught team with a strong O-line throwing to those weapons he'd be great.
Here's my problem with Bledsoe...
His first year with the Bills (2002), he averaged 284 ypg before the bye. After the bye, only 204 ydg.
In his next two seasons with us, he averaged less than 200 ypg.He had one half of a good season with us.
But he probably would have done better with the Drought All-Star roster.
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On 7/11/2025 at 8:47 AM, Mat68 said:
Offense
Qb. Fitz, Bledsoe, Orton
Rb, Lynch, Jackson, Spiller
WR Evans, Johnson, Price, Woods, Watkins
TE Chandler, Royal
OT Peters, Glenn, Jennings
OG Incognito, Levitre,
C Wood
Defense
Edge Williams, Schobel, Kelsay
DT Adams, Dareus,
LB Cowart, Fletcher, Spikes
CB Clements, Winfield, Mcgee
S Byrd, Whitner, Wilson
I think Allen is such a difference at Qb. The current roster has a better Oline and think are close everywhere else.
What's kind of stunning about this is that if we take our very best players from a 17-year stretch of time, we still don't end up with a Super Bowl roster.
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Improve: Torrence. He looked like an All Pro at times last season. This year he improves his consistency. I do think someone else on the team will probably take a larger step forward. There are a few candidates, but to me Torrence is the safer bet.
Regress: Daquan. I really hope the ultimate 'winner' of this category doesn't turn out to be Milano, but I admit the possibility.
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On 7/10/2025 at 1:46 PM, wppete said:
Bosa - 11
Rousseau - 10
Epanesa - 6
Jackson- 6
Solomon - 5
I don't believe it. But I like it!
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1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:
Hondo (my favorite SWAT guy), I’m glad you indicated the HC and JA17. No all-pro drought team and the kicker is Beane. He may have missed on a couple of 1st or 2nd rd guys, but he’s the best at the mid to late round gems. He also has been shrewd at the construction of the roster and maneuvering $ so we are sustainably successful.So many Bash McClappy, but he a hellova coach. He’s done much more right than wrong.
Agreed.
We can criticize some of McDermott's in-game decisions, but I pay a lot of attention to what players say - and don't say - about their coaches. I think, to some extent, you can read between the lines and start to understand what players think about their coaches and how well they prep them for the season during preseason and for individual games during the season. Current Bills players are, by and large, well-coached, well-prepared, and well-motivated.
I think it was Orlovsky who said last year that the Bills and Lions had the best cultures in the NFL. Bills players know what they're doing, play hard, play together, and play for each other. It's a better coached team than any drought-era squad.
And then there's Josh.
(P.S. The Hondo in SWAT was probably the source and inspiration of my old high school nickname).
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On 7/10/2025 at 7:10 AM, TBBills Fan said:
I watched the first few episodes. I always enjoy these type of documentary/shows that go behind the scenes. Would like to hear everyone's thoughts on it or parts that stood out.
The show follows Cousins, Goff and Burrow last year. Considering the stories of the Bengals, Lions and Falcons last year (and their QBs), I give it a 10/10 recommend you watch. I absolutely enjoyed it. I fell asleep for the last episode so I'll get to that tonight
One that stood out for me, was what they showed during the Bills and Lions game last year. We were up 21-14 at half.
They show and give audio at the start of the third quarter and it's Ben Johnson and Goff talking....(edit..it may have been late in the third they had this convo. I'll have to watch that part again)
Either way, the conversation goes like this
Johnson-so you know, we aren't running it the rest of the game.
Goff-yeah I know and if they keep playing D like they did at the end of the half we are gonna smoke em
Now, I think this goes into what has been spoke about on these boards. When we get a lead we just sit in a prevent type role and get smoked. It almost cost us in this game. The lions did whatever they wanted in the 2nd half and the game got a lot closer than it should have. Thankfully our offense didn't slow down either.
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That said, we won. Should we continue with this strategy when we get up a few scores, or would you prefer more aggression when we have the other team one dimensional?
Thanks for letting us know about this show.
Which episode has the Bills-Lions game?
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Alpha, I don't usually like lengthy posts, but that was a great story. Thanks for sharing.
I never met Josh but at a restaurant in California a couple of years ago, I met a couple who were from the Firebaugh area who went to school with Josh's mom and knew the entire family. Their stories were consistent with what you said: they're "good people." The couple heaped compliment after compliment on Josh and his mom.
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I think the All-Drought team is better at a lot of position groups, but the current team would win for two reasons: HC and, mostly, QB.
Btw, I personally think of Kyle, Tyrod, and Moulds as drought players even if they did get to taste the playoffs at the beginning or end of their Bills careers.
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This is so good to see. I've been complaining for what felt like generations about the OL. For a while, I couldn't understand why Beane drafted a unicorn QB with little attempt to hire an adequate bodyguard to protect him. Well, little by little, Beane's built up a good one.
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12 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Damar Hamlin. For the second year in a row against the odds watch him win a starting job.
While you might be right, I hope not. Hamlin is a great story and a serviceable safety who knows the system and seems rarely to blow his assignments. But I'm hoping one of the other safeties proves to be better than him.
Edit: I just saw Don Otreply's post and realized I just parroted what he had already said. I guess great minds do think alike. 😄-
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I'm with Special K: Elijah Moore and Cole Bishop.
I think Moore fills an important niche and will be one of our top 2 or 3 leading receivers.
I'm not confident Bishop will be a stud, but I do think he'll crack the starting lineup this year.
And I'll mention a position group: DL. They've been mediocre for a while. While I'm not predicting great things from them this year, I do think greatness (or, at least, very goodness) is a possibility.-
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I'm not sure his post is entirely accurate. For example, was he really 14th string? We would have needed 42 wideouts in camp to man 14 strings.
If he exaggerated on that point, maybe he did on some others too?
Though it was still good to read the positive comments and sense the growth in maturity.
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5 hours ago, transient said:
This was in the 1981 Excalibur movie. Stirring!
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I lot of fans agree that the Bills skill position groups (minus QB) deserve to be ranked in the 20s.
I wonder if these are the same folks who want to fire McD for not getting to the SB despite our shortcomings at WR, TE, and RB (and elsewhere).And if they're the same people who don't want to fire Beane despite some of the challenges he's had with roster-building.
I'm not pointing fingers or blaming anyone. Just curious. Despite some poor decisions over the years, I personally find it hard to blame McD for not winning us a Lombardi when he's never been given a Lombardi caliber roster. -
1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:
I've always heard that phrase the other way around - perfect is the enemy of good, meaning at some point the right thing to do is accept the good and move on.
But it's also used the way you've used it.
I wasn't suggesting that anyone should settle for as much as the Bills have accomplished and no more. I really was commenting on the fact that the Bills have an outstanding football team - it isn't easy to build a consensus top-three team, and that's what the Bills have done.
And now, let's close the deal.
I agree, Shaw. The Bills have built something that's difficult to do: a team that's in the hunt perennially. I appreciate that.
Still, when I'm lying on my deathbed many years from now (or maybe tomorrow, who knows?), I don't want to think of the 1990s and 2020s as the two periods in my long fandom that we had a good team that was never quite good enough.
But with Beane, McD, and Josh, I think we'll be contenders for years to come so I still light incense to the Gods of the Gridiron in a hopeful spirit. Maybe this is finally the year...
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16 hours ago, Shaw66 said:
There's nothing to talk about. We've had all of the conversations about receivers, about Cook, about the defense, about not winning the Super Bowl, about just about everything.
Since there's nothing left to talk about, I find myself thinking about how amazingly good this football team has gotten. I say it often; when McDermott and Beane got here, they said they were going to build a team that keeps getting better and better, and that is what they've done.
I've been thinking since I saw the thread about the Bills being the favorite, at least clearly in the top three, to make it to the Super Bowl. We can argue about whether we agree or not, but the reality is that among the bookmakers and bettors, there is a clear consensus that the Bills are at the very top of the league. And it's a bigger consensus than it was a year ago and two years ago. Granted, everyone thought the Bills would have a down season last year, but their success last season has convinced many people outside of western New York that the Bills were genuinely good last season and only got better in the off-season.
And it's not simply because the Bills have Allen and because he's just that good. Put aside that Beane did a masterful job identifying Allen as the talent he is and then managing the draft to be able to get him; people around the country are recognizing that the other 21 starters, and the bench, make this a seriously good football team.
And the Bills are set up to get better in the 2026 season, with the QB under contract, the salary cap getting back in order, and the opportunity to add more young talent in the draft.
Everyone is looking at the Bills as a model franchise. Everyone thinks it's when, not if, the Bills win the Lombardi.
Hats off to McDermott and Beane. Now, '25, '26 '27, is the time complete the climb to the top.
I agree with every word of this and I'm grateful for Beane and McD. And yet, we still don't have a Lombardi.
As Shaw66 says, this is a seriously good football team. And that's both a joy and a problem. Good is the enemy of great, as they say, and we're not great. We've never begun a season as the best team in the NFL, or even the AFC. There are always concerning injuries and/or roster holes, not to mention some questions about the coaching staff.
So what do you do with a GM/HC who win lots of games but no trophies? Say thank you and hope for next year? Replace them with guys who - odds are - wouldn't be as good? It's a conundrum.I'll say this... Every year with Beane and McD, we have a legit chance. For 17 prior years, we had no chance at all. I like having a chance, so I'll roll with them. But I do wish each of them was just a little bit better.
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I love the OP's confidence. His realistic prediction is we get to the SB. His optimistic prediction is we win it.
My optimistic hope is we win but my realistic prediction is that we sadly bow out in the playoffs again. I'm not convinced were the best team in the AFC though I do think this team's roster may prove better than last year's. We'll see.
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1 hour ago, HOUSE said:
Another woman looking for quick easy cash.
Shocking 😲
If you were there and know what happened, please contact the police.
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21 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:
This list, plus Terrence McGee imo. What a joy it was watching him return kicks, he was also a great cb
Is my memory failing me? Wasn't McGee the CB who would blanket receivers but let them catch the ball anyway?
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I wouldn't want to see OJ's face anywhere anymore, but I'll mention he did kick returns his rookie year and bit afterwards, finishing his career with an impressive 30 yards per return average.
And I think Pete Gogolak deserves a mention just because he's the guy who popularized soccer style kicking in the NFL. After playing for the Bills, he went to the Giants and remains to this day their leading all-time scorer. For the youngsters in the cheap seats, before Gogolak NFL kickers would approach the ball straight on.
But I agree with the OP, Tasker, Pike, and Moorman are all obvious choices. I'm not sure who I'd add after that. Bobby April is a good option if we're considering coaches too.
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Mini Max Anderson... I was 9 or 10 watching what may have been my very first Bills game and Mini Max got hurt. One of the announcers said he swallowed his tongue.
The concept freaked me out and I ran to my mother and asked if that was even possible. For years, I was afraid of swallowing my tongue. -
I'd probably go if I wasn't 2700 miles away.
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I remember this game. Then again, how could you forget something like this.
What was weird is that this was when our offense was on fire so you'd expect if we did something spectacular with scoring it would be because of Kelly & the Boys. This was (almost) all defense and ST.
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Landon Jackson put on PUP List
in The Stadium Wall
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That's what my wife tells me.