Rob's House

You guys must do a lot of yoga to be able to stretch that far. While you are correct that one does not typically refer to sex crimes as pedophile law, any reasonable person with a functional understanding of the English language and a shred of common sense would clearly understand that phrase to refer to a lawyer who represents pedophiles and not a pedophile who is a lawyer. It's really not a close call. Just for ***** and giggles I asked two lawyers what they thought the term "pedophile lawyer" referred to without giving them any backstory. Both, without hesitation, said lawyer who represents pedophiles as though the answer couldn't be more obvious. This is just another example of you guys intentionally misrepresenting someone's words so as to feign indignation on the premise that their statement conveyed something other than its plain and obvious meaning. It's so typical.

This analysis is a bit rich coming from you. I've actually had some good discussions with you and thought you would be a good contributor, but more often than not your posts are the same slanderous snarky swipes, devoid of any real substance, that you're accusing others of posting. It's disappointing because you have the potential to be better. If you make a legitimate argument it's fine to mix in a little snark or condescension. If done with wit it's great (See DC Tom). A little trolling and mockery can be fun. But when the overwhelming majority of your posts amount to a list of adjectives and/or conclusory statements that are either completely unsupported or based on circular reasoning it wears a little thin. I find it offensive that you besmirch some of the liberals here like Doc Brown, Crayola, Alf, etc. as meek and unwilling to challenge. Those guys have never hesitated to tell me exactly what they think and they are met with respect from the majority of the board, not because they are meek, but because they are reasonable adults who explain their position. Crayola's thrown some of your shade my way, but that's okay. I'm a big boy. I can take it. The poster using the Kay Adams handle doesn't shy away one bit, is far to the left, and is met with nothing but respect. Why? Because after she states her position she explains WHY she holds that position, and engages in honest and thoughtful debate. You should try it sometime. You might be surprised what you get in return. I don't think anyone would accuse Bull Buchanan of meekness. He goes both barrels blazing with far left takes and insults, and he certainly gets it handed back to him, but nobody puts him in the same category with BillSlime. Why? Because despite his extremist views and cantankerous disposition, he engages and explains his position (even if those positions seems insane to some of us). He's let me know just how disgusting of an individual he believes me to be, but somehow I got through it without running to the mods or crying myself to sleep. And as far as I can see the only people acting like abused victims of mean posters are you and your ilk. The only complaints I've seen from the "righties" are about trolls polluting the board with an abundance of spam posts, and those same trolls running to the mods to get real posters banned or the site shut down. You have two main problems: The first is your inability to look in the mirror and see that you are that of which you complain. The second, as is typical of people of your persuasion, you view people not as individuals but as members of groups. Ironically, it's the same philosophical framework the authoritarian regimes you typically analogize your adversaries to were based upon. PPP is comprised of many individuals of different backgrounds, philosophies, personalities, and temperaments. At times the most heated debates are between people you identify as being on the same "team." What was great about this place (and I'm speaking in the past tense) is that all those people could come together and openly discuss/argue issues without fear of reprisal. Sometimes it got heated, but anyone worth his salt can handle a heated exchange and a few insults on an anonymous message board. Unfortunately, weak minded people who can't handle the stress of having their beliefs challenged feel compelled to silence their opposition rather than counter them. It appears that's taken the form of baiting and tattling. It's sad.

That's a deviation from standard word usage. No one says lawyer for defendants, lawyer for plaintiffs, lawyer for divorces, lawyer for creepy porn, etc.

You left out fascist, racist, sexist, and homophobic.

What part of Orange Man Bad don't you understand?

Took the words right out of my mouth.

I'd settle for an anti-Trump talking point that wasn't dripping in bullsh!t.

I know we're beating this thing to death, but fwiw I would never have thought this was prohibited content in PPP. I don't know about the child abuse part, but if it was toward Gary/Zebra it was probably warranted for the reasons stated previously.

I didn't learn of that situation until some time after so I can't say, but my understanding is the poster in question was banned around the time that information went public, so I'd doubt it. DR isn't really one to go after someone unless provoked. I believe LB3 and Taro's assessment is accurate. When DR was posting serious information about abused children (and there have been several child trafficking rings discovered recently) Gary/Zebra seemed to find the whole topic highly amusing. That very well may have given rise to that accusation. On a side note, and not that it really matters, but DR isn't a political idealogue. There seems to be a perception that he's a right winger hell bent on "owning the libs," but the truth is that he's not terribly conservative and for the bulk of the time he's been posting here he's been more aligned with the left. He's one of the few people I know who tends to view issues individually and self-assess based on new information. Whether his information is correct is up to debate, but he's a very curious individual who is not married to any political party or preconceived point of view.

I don't know if it's a defense, necessarily, but let's just say that Wacky Zebra isn't exactly a good faith actor. He's mostly harmless, but his posts more often than not seem designed to stir the pot rather than discuss the issue. I don't mind him, but he gets under some people's skin. It's entirely possible that the accusation was based on prior statements, but I'm not sure about that.

It depends on who you ask. According to my mom I'm a lovable little angel. According to Bull Buchanan I'm a Nazi.

You lobbied to have the board shut down in this very thread.

Try to keep up, buddy. No one has made any "free speech" claims other than calling out Shoshin's desire to eliminate it where it already exists. Your attempt to hijack this thread to advance your anti-cop crusade is obvious.

The irony here is staggering. Let me take these one by one for you: Free speech allows you to communicate the facts and opinions you choose to. The fact that it's a private message board means only that the owner of the message board has the right to abridge free speech if he sees fit. In this case the OWNER of the private message board has allowed free speech to exist in this forum. A relatively new poster is now lobbying him to change that. And I've never supported police doing any of the things you've listed, although you and I have vastly different definitions of "peaceful protests." That topic can be discussed in the appropriate thread. No need to hijack this one.

Exactly. For all the aspersions cast upon this board by those who rarely frequent it, the level of discourse is usually a cut above what you'll find across most of the internet. And while some of us have takes on issues that may occasionally flirt with the fringe we don't have any regulars who are all that extreme, with the possible exception of the guy who thinks all cops are terrorists. AD was the perfect mod because he is extremely tolerant of views he finds absurd, but will cast out the few who attempt to bring the board down. The bottom line is, if the Shoshins of the world are honestly looking for a thoughtful debate they can find it here. Ironically, the only people who may have difficulty finding such a thing are those that entertain the possibility that Orange Man might not be so bad.

At least your being very transparent about your utter disdain for free speech. SDS has been good enough to provide a forum where free speech still exists, which is not the case for most political outlets these days, and you go out of your way to lobby for its abolition. You do this even after he's made it abundantly clear that he has a life outside of the board and would rather not be dragged into it. Are you so troubled by free speech that you can't tolerate its existence on an obscure political sub-board of a Buffalo Bills message board?

I do that on Twitter. Anyone who causes AOC to show up in my feed gets their retweets muted.

Well understood. My gripe is not with you, but with the people who feel the need to burden you with these matters. And I appreciate you taking the time to give a thorough explanation. I'm not one who necessarily feels entitled to one.

I agree. I don't want to see either of them banned, but any abuse they receive is well earned. To be fair, they don't have much else to contribute. Well, other than "you're a racist."

It's not that hard. The majority of posters here do that. When you come across one who hurts your feelings, simply put him on ignore. Problem solved.

Then don't come here.

Why do you want him gone? Like him or not (and I do), he makes the place a lot more interesting. He contributes more than you and I combined. He's also a legit bills fan who is part of the community. He's not some rando trolling others. He's passionate about learning and sharing his ideas, and sometimes passionate people let their emotions get the better of them. That doesn't necessarily mean you wash your hands of them. As to the call out thread, I don't expect SDS to know the back story, but to my understanding it was a call out of Gary Busey (who I believe is now posting under some Zebra monicker) who is not a legit poster. He's not here to engage, but simply to troll. Perhaps more specific instructions were given to DR, but my understanding was that the message was that call out threads were forbidden. I know I did not understand the message to mean that we couldn't talk ***** to other posters. One of the things that makes this site great is that we can get a little rough and tumble with each other. We're big boys playing in our big boy stance.* In my younger days I had interactions that got a lot more heated and insulting than anything I've seen DR engaged in (some I probably took too far), and it was all good. I don't harbor any hard feelings and I doubt any of them do either. Being insulted on the internet isn't that hard to deal with. The big problem isn't insults or misinformation - Misinformation can be countered with correct information, and insults can be defended by thick skin. The problem is people that feel the need to burden the proprietor of a website we all enjoy with petty complaints instead of sacking up and handling it themselves like men.* * This is not meant to be dismissive of the lovely ladies who grace us with their presence. They seem to be able to handle themselves just fine.

I understand you have a lot going on and I don't want to contribute to making PPP a source of annoyance for you. For years I dealt with the same neck issue you described and I know how difficult that can make navigating your regular life already even without a bunch of overgrown children asking you to come play nanny in the sandbox. (If you're not already doing so I recommend getting on a consistent exercise regimen. It helped me tremendously). I appreciate you allowing this forum to exist as it has. It's one of the few remaining places on the internet where frank and open discourse is still allowed and has a good core of knowledgeable posters who, in my estimation, have made it something special. I would ask that you consider making DR's ban temporary (and not banning TYTT who is a very talented writer/thinker, and a legit Bills fan who I hope will choose to return if allowed). Sometimes emotions run hot. I know you're not that familiar with DR, but he's a writer. These guys are very emotional. Occasionally he gets riled up, and perhaps he showed his ass in his interactions with you, but he's a good guy who really does bring a lot to the board. The groundswell of support for him speaks to that. (I know I never got this kind of support 😥 and I'm a model citizen ). Again, I know you're busy and I don't want to be a burden, but if you could consider it I know I and many others would really appreciate it. Thanks.

In left-wing la la land whining and tattling because someone posted mean words on line is the pinnacle of masculinity, but expressing dismay over the banishment of a member of the community is "snowflake-y." And I hope I'm wrong, but I believe the ban is permanent.

Yes. 5 or 6 posters according to SDS.